Really Unorthodox Decks?
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 17 Jun 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| Mr. Sluagh |
17 Jun 2004 |
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Care to recommend a few? Thanks.
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| rota |
17 Jun 2004 |
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ummmm.... what sort of unorthodox? help us narrow it down a little.
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| Rusty Neon |
17 Jun 2004 |
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Yes, I agree with rota. What's unorthodox is in the eyes of the beholder.
For example, not everyone here would agree which, if any, of the Post-Modern tarot decks listed here are unorthodox.
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| Mr. Sluagh |
17 Jun 2004 |
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Well, how would you define it? What decks made you think "Hm, I never would have thought of it that way before." or "Huh? What were they thinking?" more than usual?
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| Chronata |
18 Jun 2004 |
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in the "I never thought about it like that before" catagory...
http://www.tarotgarden.com/database/dbsearchengine.php?search_type=blob&pageenter=0
The Fantastic Medical Tarot...one I would certainly call unorthodox...and yet...strangely...oddly... compelling.
I would never have imagined that pictures of human organs would resemble the archetypes of the major Arcana...but
well...the more I look at this deck the more it makes sense to me! (although I should really stop looking at it only during the middle of the night when I have insomnia!)
This is the deck I would so consider buying if I had an extra hundred bucks.
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| Cerulean |
18 Jun 2004 |
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Sumi painting (no wrestlers) with Chinese concepts, portrait and landscape cards, box is actually the little mats what you roll sushi with, and the booklet has somewhat meditative short poetry. And the sumi paintings are all digital!
After searching around, this was the closest that I can think of for a simpler zenlike meditation deck. Believe it or not, it can be a pretty little oracle, lightweight in size and yet you can lay it out like a puzzle and have a bit of tarot-reading postmodern sumi style paintings and fortune-style tarot-meaning concepts.
Lee's great review:
http://www.tarotpassages.com/longmoment-lb.htm
Only available through Tarotgarden.com now.
Regards,
Cerulean Mari
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| darwinia |
18 Jun 2004 |
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You have so many strange and wonderful Majors only decks at TG Jeannette.
One of these days I must try to hunt up a suitable majors only partner/complement for the majors only Portal Tarot. I can't decide if I want something literal for it or something abstract. I liked the Entropy Tarot though, but I want something with huge cards, and it has to have detailed art.
I get a lot of joy out of pairing decks up. I've come to the point where I have enough, but the Portal needs a friend I think.
[edited to add- i am buying leigh mccloskey's tarot revisioned from tg to be a friend for the portal. two disimilar decks i have never seen, but the back of the revisioned world card has a quote from walt whitman, and i could hear the portal vibrating with excitement. the black and white art is stunning and the cards are very large, the decks will be happy doing exercises together amid swirling digital colours and poetry and line.]
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| tao51 |
18 Jun 2004 |
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There are those who feel any departure from the classic decks is bizzarre. I think that I have seen so many beautiful Tarot decks that I really could not give that term to any of these decks. If you want strange art in the decks then compare on Aeclectic. They have a wide selection of cards. --Tao
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| Ryan |
21 Jun 2004 |
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This is the only genuine Satanic Tarot in the History of the World made public and complete. It is original. It is unique.
One recognizes differing opinions on what constitutes Satanism - and a short introduction to Satanism which the Naos Deck is a product of, has been provided on the Naos Project site to enable individuals to discern this for themselves.
Ra.
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| tao51 |
22 Jun 2004 |
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is a deck to consider. It has some traditional symbols but the almost erotic vampires gives it a different flavor. The art is delightfully dark. It is well worth the consideration.--Tao
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| WolfyJames |
22 Jun 2004 |
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Ryan's deck, The Naos Deck, is not sinister or disturbing at all, it looks like children's drawings. Plus, he sells it for 1000$. For that price you can get a nice tarot decks collection filled with decks satisfying all your different tastes.
As for disturbing decks, I want to mention the Bosch Tarot and the Sola-Busca Tarot (not many like this one), both are very weird. And I want to add a small recomendation for the Gothic Tarot (Vargo). The New Tarot by Hurley reminds me a lot of The Light and Shadow Tarot.
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| Ryan A |
23 Jun 2004 |
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Your opinion of the nature of my cards is ignorant - other than from your philosophical armchair, what experience have you of the Sinister? of Satanism?
Though I have not show-cased the Naos Deck as well as I could have -
I will change the array of images chosen to demonstrate the wide esoteric span of the deck and put up the graphic 18+ and Western Destiny/"Nazi-natured" cards to satisfy the craving for mephistophelian glee. - I thank you for bringing this marketing oversight to my attention.
Kind Regards,
Ra.
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| tao51 |
23 Jun 2004 |
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Wouldn't a deck based on FAUST by Goethe be a tremenduous deck? Just a thought.--Tao
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| diane drizzy |
23 Jun 2004 |
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I have a secret fondness for Miss Cleo's deck.
And I do know it's constantly jeered at - but then again I always did root for the underdog! :)
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| Ryan A |
24 Jun 2004 |
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Where do I begin...
1) The Naos Deck is based on a seven sphere structure eschewing the popular but groundless ten of tradition.
2)This Seven sphere structure is based on a fundamental belief that the cosmos is ordered by seven. Seven colours, seven vibrations, seven sounds etc.
3)This Seven Sphere structure, or Septenary Tree enables in the respective sephiroth ALL of the pathways to be used, unlike the traditional tarot formula which uses only 22 of a possible 32.
4)There are 65 cards in a Naos Deck rather than 78 as per a standard tarot.
5)The Naos Deck is designed by a genuine practioner of the Left Hand Path who possesses the understanding necessary to convey the Sinister without distortion by nazarene conceptual artforms prevalent in all other Satanic decks bar the original Sinister Tarot by Christos Beest of ONA.
6)The Naos Deck is genuinely heretical, espousing Aryan Idealism via the belief in Western Destiny and Ethos, as opposed to those decks that only provide shock value imagery with no understanding of aeonic forces.
7)The Naos Deck Minor Arcana is based on musick.
8)The Naos deck court cards are re-named Muse and incorporate Alchemical, Aeonic, and Archetypal imagery all at once.
9)The Naos Deck is not a passive tarot, and enables any individual to journey into the realm of the Archetypal for the first time to meet the Dark Gods within and without themselves - it is not used merely for fortune telling, but self-advancement and developing control over the acrhetypes that enslave us without our knowing.
10)All aspects of the Naos Deck, bar the actual printing, were done by the creator, the concept, the design, the execution, the artwork, the text, the marketing, etc - without the aid of publishers or other typical avenues generally needed to produce such a work.
11)the roman numerals of the minor arcana have been replaced with an experimental form of magickal symbolism called the Galactic Organic.
12)the minor acrana themselves do not have 'weapons' nor the names such and such of pentacles, but have been transformed into images that convey the energies required of these symbols without using such words and numbers that distracts the individual by mental association to these markers.
13)the Naos Deck and its creator eschews all previous tarot based on a ten sphere formula as out-dated and out-moded by its superior septenary and sinister structure based on tenets and insights of genuine satanism.
14)The Naos deck is the first genuine public Satanic deck in the history of the world.
15)the Naos deck is also the most expensive deck in the world.
for starters...
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| lunakasha |
24 Jun 2004 |
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Originally posted by Ryan A
the Naos deck is also the most expensive deck in the world.
for starters...
Does the cost of the deck really have anything to do with its quality or appeal???
I wonder how many of these "sinister" decks will be flying off the shelves at $1000 per deck???
EDITED: I am not sure of the policy on promoting unpublished decks throughout the forums...I withdraw my last comment....
Luna
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| Rose |
24 Jun 2004 |
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If I define unorthodox as unconventional and unique I would say the following decks qualify as unorthodox:
I agree with Darwinia. The Navigators Tarot of the Mystic Sea is both unorthodox and very worthwhile.
The William Blake Tarot of the Creative Imagination is one of my favorite decks and very different.
I also think the Rock and Roll Tarot by Chris Paradis is unconventional even though the card meanings are traditional (another favorite of mine).
There are also decks out there that are called Tarot but are so far out of the mold that they should really be classified as Non-Tarot—decks like Morgan’s Tarot and the H.P. Lovecraft Tarot (I also really like both of these).
Note:Sample cards can be viewed on Aecletic’s deck listings except for Morgan’s Tarot which can be viewed here
http://www.sleepbot.com/morgan/index_p.html
Rose
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| Ryan A |
24 Jun 2004 |
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But the matter at hand is Unorthodoxy, not quality or appeal - aspects which have spoken for themselves.
I would admit surprise if the Naos Deck "flew off the shelves" - it is intended for the serious practioner of Traditional Satanism - and there are very few of these individual about. Its exclusivity will really only be understod by the small number of adherents of the Order of Nine Angles, for who $1000 is a mere matter of will.
I already have seven reservations - and am tendering an eighth - so clearly the price is not too high to appeal to the minority that have placed orders.
Ra
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| Ryan A |
24 Jun 2004 |
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The Naos Deck Display has been changed.
New Images have been uploaded.
Regards,
Ra.
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| lunakasha |
25 Jun 2004 |
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Originally posted by Ryan A
I would admit surprise if the Naos Deck "flew off the shelves" - it is intended for the serious practioner of Traditional Satanism - and there are very few of these individual about. Its exclusivity will really only be understod by the small number of adherents of the Order of Nine Angles, for who $1000 is a mere matter of will.
Ryan,
I do not dispute the fact that there are people who would be willing to pay this amount for your deck...and certainly for them, given their interest in Traditional Satanism, the price would not be too high...to each his/her own I say.
I was merely objecting to the line you wrote which seemed to imply that your deck being the "most expensive tarot deck in the world" somehow made it superior to less expensive decks.
No offense was intended...I wish you much success in your endeavors...but I do believe that there is a policy on Aeclectic which states that self-promotion of unpublished decks should be limited to the Deck Creation forum....
Perhaps you should read the forum rules to get a clear perspective on this....
Best of luck to you,
:) Luna
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| Ryan A |
25 Jun 2004 |
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The topic is unorthodox - therefore my mention of the price. Its price is unorthodox. It is a seperate topic whether it is deserved. your opinion colours the meaning of my statement.
Deck Creation eh.
Ra
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| tao51 |
30 Jun 2004 |
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This deck a group of metaphors which depart from the traditional.--Tao
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The Really Unorthodox Decks? thread was originally posted on 17 Jun 2004 in the Tarot Decks board, and is now archived in the Forum Library. Read the active threads in Tarot Decks, or read more archived threads.
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