e.bay Etteilla design (merged threads from Marseilles and Decks area)

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 14 Oct 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Kissa	14 Oct 2004
Found this one on ebay.fr ... Is this the Grand Eteilla?? http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=79279&item=6124783603&rd=1 HELP!!! (but just being curious though...) Thanks in advance! Kissa

Lee	14 Oct 2004
Wow, cool deck! It's certainly some kind of Etteilla deck -- the cards are numbered 1 through 78, card 1 is the Male Consultant, and the pip cards match Etteilla's, with the geometric designs above the pip symbols. But it's not the Grand Etteilla that's currently in print. Hopefully someone here knows more than I... -- Lee

Kissa	14 Oct 2004
I'm with you on this, Lee... Definitely a taste of Eteilla but not any of the decks currently sold under that title. Ain't it gorgeous???? K.

zorya	14 Oct 2004
I think it's the Jeu de Princesse Tarot, published by Watilliaux c. 1880. I found it in the book A Wicked Pack of Cards. It is in the illustration section opposite the portrait of Le Normand. Illustration 6. You can see the corner of the protection card in the link.

Kissa	14 Oct 2004
thanks zorya! i think you found the right one... and look who's bidding on it... our very own Gerbear... The guy knows what he's doing, right? ;) Kissa

Gerbear	14 Oct 2004
The deck seems very much like the one pictured in the Encyclopedia of Tarot, volume I, page 143.

fyreflye	15 Oct 2004
http://tinyurl.com/4ae42 Looks like the Poor Man's Tarot to me but it's got the locals excited.

Rusty Neon	15 Oct 2004
It looks like an Etteilla deck (in particular, Jeu de la Princesse possibly) rather than a Marseille deck. Appears to be like the Etteilla deck specimen photoreproduced by LS as the Esoteric Ancient Tarots: http://www.learntarot.com/eadesc.htm

Rusty Neon	15 Oct 2004
The Etteilla-style Jeu de la Princesse is photoreproduced by Lo Scarabeo as the Esoteric Ancient Tarots. http://www.learntarot.com/eadesc.htm

Gerbear	15 Oct 2004
It seems to be very similar to one pictured in Vol I of the encyclopedia, page 143. A colored version can be found at Tarot Garden, under the name of Princesse Tarot. It is an Etteilla design, with cards numbered 1 through 78.

Kissa	15 Oct 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Gerbear The deck seems very much like the one pictured in the Encyclopedia of Tarot, volume I, page 143. :( Gerbear won't tell me :( and i can't check in Kaplan's Bible number 1 because I don't have it... could somebody check for me, please? does this deck have a name or is it just an older version of the Princesse? thanks very much in advance. then again, just being curious. i don't intend to bid on that one at all. anyway the price is going to fly so high, i guess. well, it should if a greenwood sells for $200... Kissa

jmd	15 Oct 2004
... and hence certainly NOT a Marseille-style deck!

fyreflye	15 Oct 2004
Looks like Gerbear is one of the bidders. Good luck, quarkling; but I've found it's difficult to outbid someone with 0 feedback ;)

Lee	15 Oct 2004
The Kaplan book (which I hadn't thought to look in originally) says the following: Etteilla (?) Tarot Cards, circa Nineteenth Century. The general designs in this tarot pack, probably dating from the nineteenth century, are suggestive of Etteilla cards and the cards are numbered in sequence from 1 through 78. However, the sequence of the cards and titles does not follow that of the typical Etteilla packs. -- Lee

Umbrae	15 Oct 2004
Zorya pegged it -- it's the Watilliaux "Princesse" tarot from around 1876. There was a reprint (now OOP), don’t know the publisher for sure. Lo Scarabeo also has a mini-edition of the majors available.

Gerbear	15 Oct 2004
Quote: Originally posted by fyreflye Looks like Gerbear is one of the bidders. Good luck, quarkling; but I've found it's difficult to outbid someone with 0 feedback ;) Thanks, and so true. Zero feedback bidders, being newbies, are a wild card in their bidding methods. In addition, I outbid this particular bidder last week, so I imagine that payback is on their mind. :)

Major Tom	01 May 2005
Here's a different Eteilla: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5575349738

Cerulean	01 May 2005
that Major Tom posted is perhaps a Grimaud's redesign circa 1969(?), by the looks of the box. Earlier I had found the "gambler" site had shown an earlier 20th century reprint of the Grimaud Etteilla that was colored in a softer way, more like the Editions Dussierre version of the Etteilla. I think it might be circa 1930. I've the reprints of the Editions Dussierre Grand Etteilla (1840) Jeu de Dames (1870), Grimaud Gypsy (recolored, so don't know what year--1969?), Lo Scarabeo Ancient Enlightened Tarots (Italian version, Jeu de Princesse) and the Italiana Cartomanzia (Italian version of Jeu de Princesse--likely late 1880s)...at some point if I find an early Grimaud (up to 1930) or Editions Dussierre's version of their Jeu de Princesse, I wonder if these will be as different as all those listed above are, from their various times. (My Lo Scarabeo Jeu de Dames (Book of Thoth) is very similar to my Editions Dussierre Jeu de Dames) I found and have seen actual Lismon versions of the Grand Etteilla online and in person--circa 1880 and 1890. A German site lists the Lismon versions with box and instructions in 500 Euro dollars range; a 1930 Grimaud around 280 or so Euro dollars... If you are curious about prices or links, let me know. Cerulean

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