a rare deck on ebay......
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 28 Mar 2005, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| ocho8s |
28 Mar 2005 |
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hello
I saw this deck at ebay and asked Fulgour and Jeannette their opinion,it seems like a very nice but very expensive arcanes only .......so after thinking about it I decided not to buy it :-( but would love to see it go to a nice home
I have no relation to this person and in case someone wants a deck like this but sees this post once it is sold, do not worry Jeannette has one also!!!
link to e-bay auction removed by forum moderator - sorry
It is called Apologia del Libro de Thoh or Eulogy to the book of Thot
Have fun
Anaoly
who needs to work harder if she wants to buy all this beautiful decks!!
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| Rusty Neon |
28 Mar 2005 |
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ochos,
You may know this already, but I'll mention it in case. Based on the scans, it looks like this deck is based on the Wegener/Falconnier black-and-white Egyptian-motif major arcana.
You may be interested to know that the relatively-inexpensive U.S. Games black-and-white "Egyptian Tarot" deck. The Egytian Tarot deck has the Wegener/Falconnier major arcana and Saint-Germain minor arcana.
http://www.learntarot.com/egdesc.htm
The U.S. Games "Ibis Tarot" deck uses the Wegener/Falconnier and Saint-Germain designs, but the art style is quite a bit different.
http://www.learntarot.com/ibdesc.htm
You might also find the following article to be of interest:
http://www.spiritone.com/~filipas/Masquerade/Reviews/historye.html
A History of Egyptian Tarot Decks
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| ocho8s |
28 Mar 2005 |
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thanks so much Rusty
I did not know and actually getting a less expensive deck but similar was Fulgour's suggestion and I was already looking for one, so now I know which ones to look for
thanks again
Blessings
Anaoly
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| Rusty Neon |
28 Mar 2005 |
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The major arcana of the "Church of Light" deck [also known as the "brotherhood of light" deck] are based on (though differ) from the Wegener majors. However, the Church of Light deck's Hermit card is a card that is completely different from the corresponding Wegener card.
http://www.astroamerica.com/t-brother.html
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| Fulgour |
28 Mar 2005 |
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You may know this already, but I'll mention it in case. Based on the scans, it looks like this deck is based on the Wegener/Falconnier black-and-white Egyptian-motif major arcana. No. Not "based on" or even a look-alike.
The major arcana of the "Church of Light" deck [also known as the "brotherhood of light" deck] are based on (though differ) from the Wegener majors. However, the Church of Light deck's Hermit card is a card that is completely different from the corresponding Wegener card. Interesting, but irrelevant.
The deck listed on Ebay is: Tarot Apología del Libro de Thot
(1980 by Suarez) also known as, Eulogy to the Book of Thoth.
22 Serigraphs published by Editorial Barath, Madrid. (7" x 13")
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| Fulgour |
28 Mar 2005 |
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To view the Tarot Apología del Libro de Thot go to:
http://www.tarotgarden.com/index.html
Search, enter Keyword: Barath
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Reference: Kaplan Volume 3 (pages 92, 93, 94)
'Barath Egyptian Serigraphs'
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| Fulgour |
28 Mar 2005 |
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Here is a beautiful Tarot that stands by itself as unique:
The Egyptian Tarot
Silvana Alasia (1996) Lo Scarabeo
(quote) 78 full-colour cards plus instructional booklet:
Amazingly detailed and gracefully beautiful, Alasia's
tempera-on-papyrus paintings meld the stunning style
of ancient Egyptian art with the mysteries of the Tarot.
To shape the interpretations, Alasia relied on the
conceptions of Jean-Baptiste Pitois, who linked the
Tarot tradition to the legendary Book of Thoth.
Replete with ancient and exotic symbols,
these cards speak to the soul.
http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/book.php?pn=J010
ISBN 0-7387-0010-X
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The Egyptian Tarot Mini Edition
Silvana Alasia (2003) Lo Scarabeo
Cards are 44mm by 80mm, smaller than the regular deck,
and this edition includes 78 full-colour cards and booklet.
http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/book.php?pn=J519
ISBN 0-7387-0519-5
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| Rusty Neon |
28 Mar 2005 |
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No. Not "based on" or even a look-alike.
Fulgour ... Compare and ye shall see the similarities. In my humble opinion, Wegener/Falconnier influence is unmistakeable. Obviously, your opinion varies. Let's agree to disagree. If Ochos likes a prohibitively-expensive deck based on Wegener/Falconnier, it makes sense to draw attention to other Wegener decks and to other Egyptian-style decks.
Ochos ... Aside from Wegener/Falconnier influenced decks, do check out the other Egyptian-style decks, many of which are mentioned in the Mark Filipas History of Egyptian Tarot Decks article linked in my first post to this thread.
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| Jeannette |
28 Mar 2005 |
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I think it's important to re-emphasize, as Fulgour has pointed out, that the Apologia is not cards, but a portfolio of large-sized, screenprinted seriagraphs, issued in a limited edition of 999 copies. That doesn't mean that if someone is seeking an esoterically-oriented tarot with an Egyptian hieroglyph motif, that a much-less expensive deck wouldn't serve just as well or better. However, if one is looking for a fine art piece or collectible, then we're talking apples-and-oranges in comparing the Apologia to tarots such as the Wegener/Falconnier cards.
-- Jeannette
The Tarot Garden
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| Fulgour |
28 Mar 2005 |
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Fulgour ... Compare and ye shall see the similarities. In my humble opinion, Wegener/Falconnier influence is unmistakeable. Obviously, your opinion varies. Let's agree to disagree. If Ochos likes a prohibitively-expensive deck based on Wegener/Falconnier, it makes sense to draw attention to other Wegener decks and to other Egyptian-style decks. What makes any given Tarot card an exactly particular Tarot card?
For example, what makes card number two "The High Priestess"?
Number
Name
Image
Attributes
We've seen number, name, and image variations, and while they are
distracting, they don't (very much) change the "card" or its meaning,
but when the attributes differ, a serious student has to pay attention.
The attributes for the Wegener/Falconnier differ almost completely
from the Tarot Apología del Libro de Thot. So much so, there's no
comparison ~ just because they're Egyptian-themed means nothing.
So, Rusty Neon, I will agree to disagree, but on appearances only. :)
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| Fulgour |
28 Mar 2005 |
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I'm partly right here, and I'm partly wrong too.
How can I say what I'm thinking? It's like with
a pair of Red Shoes: the colour is just part of it.
Also, I pm'd Anaoly the Mark Filipas site before.
This isn't about "a Tarot deck" as such, it's more
about what someone has found a connection to.
99% of Tarot comes from the heart, from within.
Finding a deck that speaks to you is truly special.
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| Cerulean |
28 Mar 2005 |
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The 22 majors of Sylvana Alasia's splendid deck is here:
http://www.gambler.ru/sukhty/decks04/d03979/d03979.htm
The brown scan is for the mini-deck; the black scan is for the full-size 78 card version; the black box cover is for the book-deck set.
In full color, you can see all cards of the Ibis Tarot:
http://www.tarot.com/about-tarot/decks/browsedecks.php?newdeck=14
And you can draw a conclusion on the similarity or or differences in the Egyptian designs...both the Ibis and Lo Scarabeo Egyptian have 78 cards and it turns out, I prefer the Lo Scarabeo kit with book and deck.
If you can make out some of the inscriptions on the rare 22 serigraphs from the Spanish artist, there are slight keywords that suggest alchemy, transformation, etc...some may glance also at the designs and see similarity to the 19th century romantic 'hermetic' orientation of the Lo Scarabeo Egyptian deck by Alasia. The 22 majors are designed with descriptions from Paul Christian's 22 stages of initiation into 'magic'.
It's rather fascinating to me, as some of the keywords of the majors, such as "Will" for the Magician, "Science/Door to Occult Sanctuary" for the High Priestess, "Action/Isis/Urania" for the Empress"--I've seen the same meanings in later Lo Scarabeo designs. It's kind of a missing design link to some Continental Tarot designs to me...sorry to wander from the topic.
Regards,
Cerulean
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| Fulgour |
29 Mar 2005 |
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If we simply ignore all the confusion surrounding the Cabbala,
the links to Astrology and the Alphabet (Phoenician, please)
are verifiable and clearly evident in the structure of the Tarot.
These two gentlemen could have accomplished something
remarkable if they had looked at the cards just as they are:
Jean Baptiste Pitois aka Paul Christian (1811-1877) was an avid follower
of Levi's who believed that the Major Arcana cards represent hieroglyphic
paintings found on columns in ancient Egyptian galleries. He also sought
parallels between the Tarot and Cabbalistic astrology.
Alphonse Louis Constant aka Eliphas Levi (1810-1875) was a Rosicrucian
priest who thought the Tarot was the key to the Bible, the Jewish Cabbala,
and all other ancient spiritual writings. He attempted to link the 22 cards
of the Major Arcana to the letters of the Hebrew alphabet.
It seems a shame they were obsessed with "proving" number magic.
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| Fulgour |
29 Mar 2005 |
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By clicking on the link below, you will see the text on this page.
The instructions for each booklet are also written in Spanish. :)
Los Tarots Egyptiens in Spanish begins on Page 27
after the download is complete.
Visit the web page for pdf information:
http://www.loscarabeo.com/downloads.htm
(this is a link to a web site, not a pdf file)
LO SCARABEO:
Tarots instructions booklets - PDF format
Left click to open the PDF file with Adobe Acrobat Reader
Right click and chose "save link as..." to save the PDF file to your hard disk
In 5 Languages:
Art Nouveau
Celtic
Egyptian
Fairy
New Vision
Secret
Universal
Visconti (very long) Deutsch - English - French - Italian - Spanish
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