can you suggest a tarot deck that...
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 24 Mar 2005, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| caridwen |
24 Mar 2005 |
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Isn't based on RWS or Marseilles. Isn't computer graphics, pastels, watercolour, collage or photography. Nor too cartoonish.
I'm looking for a new deck and want to get away from the tradtitional decks for inspiration:)
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| temperlyne |
24 Mar 2005 |
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Do you also refer to the thoth as traditional? Otherwise that might be an option, as would the haindl.
You might be interested in the Roots of asia, wonderful and original artwork.
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| caridwen |
24 Mar 2005 |
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I'm after original Tarot not traditional at all. I will check out the Roots of Asia deck.
I've been using RWS for years and am getting a bit sick of it. I will also check out the Thoth and the Haindl. Thanks for the suggestions:)
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| similia |
24 Mar 2005 |
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I would second a vote for Thoth or Haindl. Both will also offer plenty of reading opportunities. I'm falling quite in love with my Toth deck, and tempted to look at the Haindl one day soon.
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| caridwen |
24 Mar 2005 |
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The Haindl is a distinct possibility. My sister has the Thoth so she can give it to me as she doesn't read Tarot!
The Roots of Asisa looks RWS based to me...
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| Rosanne |
24 Mar 2005 |
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Hi Caridwen- aside from the Thoth or Haindl mentioned have you looked at Osho Zen (some say not quite Tarot)
Inner Child
The Mandala Astrological Tarot
Mary-El (considered RW but the minors are Art work)
Golden Tarot of Renaissance(Historical but not Marseille)
I went through my collection and your preferences knocked out most LOL
Happy hunting!~Rosanne
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| BlueLotus |
24 Mar 2005 |
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A few of Lo Scarabeo decks do not adhere to any system or form whatsoever (LOL), such as Marco Polo, A.K.A Tarot of the Journey to the Orient, Tarot of Atlantis, The Fairies Tarot, Bruegel, Durer, Druids, and Witchy Tarot, among others.
These have given me a major headache when I first aquired them trying to pin cards to their traditional meanings to no avail, but in your case you may find them fun to work with due to this very same reason, though many consider some of these decks to be cartoonish, I think a few others have gorgeous artwork; you may even wish to assign your own interpretations to the cards .
I also recommend The Wheel of Change for the same reasons.
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| temperlyne |
24 Mar 2005 |
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The Roots of Asisa looks RWS based to me...
Hmm thats funny, I never thought of it as RWS based. maybe thats because I never worked with a RWS deck and I'm not too familiar with those.
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| Eco74 |
24 Mar 2005 |
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If you're looking for inspiration away from tarot the oracle-decks might be worth a try.
Otherwise you could also check out the old-style-decks like the Mantegna or other "marseilles-aged" decks that you can find mentioned in the historical threads.
The Mantegna for instance has a 50-card system and as several of the older decks it have symbology and characters included that is not common in the more contemporary decks.
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| Little Baron |
24 Mar 2005 |
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Isn't based on RWS or Marseilles. Isn't computer graphics, pastels, watercolour, collage or photography. Nor too cartoonish.
I'm looking for a new deck and want to get away from the tradtitional decks for inspiration:)
The Rohrig kind of fits that description. It seems quite a popular one on the boards and is very striking. Very good for meditation and losing yourself within the cards. Very unconventional imagery.
LB
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| Fudugazi |
24 Mar 2005 |
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Check out the Crystal Tarot. I know I sound like a cracked record on this one, but it really is different and original. And beautiful. It definitely reads very differently from anything else I own.
I'm also after the Roehrig, but the German edition, because in the American one they put clothes on the naked swimmers...
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| Cerulean |
24 Mar 2005 |
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Free readings at www.facade.com to see sample cards and spreads...and on abebooks.com you can buy the William Blake from the author/artist, Ed Buryn. He did it through collage and watercolor, but you would not know it by the craftsmanship--very well done.
I second it as something different. But it does have a slight tinge of Rider-Waitish meanings--however since the quotes and paintings are so original to William Blake, it's definitely a different feel to the readings.
Best wishes.
Cerulean
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| Cocobird55 |
24 Mar 2005 |
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I recently got both the Attuned Deck and the Cosmic Egg. Both are wonderful -- great artwork. I prefer the Cosmic Egg just a little, because it is square, and the colors are amazing.
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| caridwen |
24 Mar 2005 |
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I recently got both the Attuned Deck and the Cosmic Egg. Both are wonderful -- great artwork. I prefer the Cosmic Egg just a little, because it is square, and the colors are amazing.
Are they good for readings? Are there books or works on them? Or are they for meditation or something else, what do you think?
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| bassetized |
24 Mar 2005 |
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The only deck I have read with on your list of possibilities is the Tarot of the Crone. It gives amazing readings, and is my favorite deck, but as you say it's sold out. I was very lucky--I'd be on a waiting list for months and someone decided not to buy their deck, so it came to me.
Here are a few more possibilities from my collection:
The Faery Wicca Tarot, http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/faery-wicca/review.shtml. The Aeclectic review calls it "a rather singular system of Tarot based on her own spiritual awakening and research," and that's certainly true. I'm not familiar enough with Celtic mythology to read with this deck yet, but it has depth and possibilities. Comes in card/book set and is in print and reasonably priced.
The Golden Dawn Magical Tarot, http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/golden-dawn-magical/. I didn't like this deck when I first got it, but have had to grudgingly admit that it gives very accurate, matter-of-fact readings on a range of issues. And since it's a Golden Dawn deck, it has more in common with the Thoth than the RWS or Marseilles. The booklet that comes with the deck is bigger than a LWB but not a full treatment. Also in print and reasonably priced.
If you have some money to spend and are looking for something really unusual, check out the Ironwing, which I found from the "Sites that show the whole deck" thread. The artist's web site is:
http://www.mineralarts.com/artwork/IronwingTAROT.html.
She is a shamanic practitioner and worker with iron (makes jewellry and bells using a forge), and she designed a very complex deck based on her own spiritual integration of these parts of her life. It comes with an instruction book, which is good b/c her system is like nothing else I've seen. There are no borders or titles on the cards, and the art is amazing. I just got this deck and am still learning it, but the initial reading I did with the deck was right on target.
Maybe also the New Orleans Voodoo Tarot? I don't own the deck, but it seems like an original system with lots of depth.
Sorry for droning on--good luck in your search. :)
--bassetized
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| caridwen |
25 Mar 2005 |
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Thank you for your suggestion MeeWah, the Templar is indeed beautiful but Christian. I'm trying to avoid anything with Christian imagery.
The Faery Wicca looks interesting. The Golden Dawn looks too much like RWS. I'm trying to get away from that, difficult though it is, lol.
The Ironwing is indeed amazing but too expensive.
And, I DID like the Crystal Tarot, a certain someone will be pleased:D
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| caridwen |
25 Mar 2005 |
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I've just realised that I'm looking for my version of the PERFECT Tarot deck!!! LOL:D How frustrating...
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| NightWing |
25 Mar 2005 |
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You might want to check out these. Images are usually available on the websites of Tarot Garden or Tarot Passages.
1. Navigators Tarot of the Mystic Sea: someone else mentioned it, but I want to strongly second it. Well worth a look. Good book too.
2. Tarot of the Sephiroth: interesting system, and a decent book is available.
3. Tarot of the Imagination: by Lo Scarabeo, with very "different" imagery.
4. Crow's Magick Tarot: refreshingly dark and bold imagery, and a decent book.
5. Ancient Minchiate Etruria: by Lo Scarabeo, the whole traditional 97 card deck that makes all the difference!
6. Tarrochi Celtici: by Laura Tuan. Wildly divergent images on non-standard card stock, but no English book as far as I know. Do you read Italian or French?
I would have mentioned the beautiful cards and non-standard system of the LS Golden Tarot of the Tsar, but you said you wanted to avoid Christian imagery. Good Luck!
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| Cocobird55 |
25 Mar 2005 |
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I've read with both of them, and they have given me a lot of insight. The Attuned Deck has some similar cards to tarot, and some that are different. The pictures are lush, and I find them extremely intuitive. The cards are very large and have a lot of detail.
The Cosmic Egg is a majors-only deck, and so far, has been precise and accurate. The imagery has less detail, but it is enough to let me know what is really going on. I like using it, because the cards are fairly small, and I have small hands, so it is easy to shuffle. I'm not reading with reversals with this deck, because it is square, so there are actually four different possibilities -- too confusing for me.
I read for insight, not predictions. Both of these decks work well for me.
Sue
Are they good for readings? Are there books or works on them? Or are they for meditation or something else, what do you think?
Re -- Attuned Deck and Cosmic Egg
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| FearfulSymmetry |
25 Mar 2005 |
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Mary-El (considered RW but the minors are Art work)
I don't mean to be picky and I am also not recommending my deck but I just wanted to make sure there is accurate info out there...
The Mary-el isn't a RW clone nor is it based on RW, the images are completely different and non-traditional. Strength and Justice are based on the Marseille numbering- Justice/8, Strength/11.
The minors aren't what I would call 'Art', which means to me pretty pictures used because they fit, I have put a lot of thought and meaning into every single one so far and a huge amount of consideration goes into the symbolism on each one. They are non traditional but meaningful.
Just wanted to clarify,
Marie
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| WolfSpirit |
25 Mar 2005 |
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The Amun Ra Tarot is absolutely stunning and one I'd love even though it's RWS based!
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/418/
Forget the Amun Ra - the artist has decided not to publish the deck !
I think it was more Thoth rather than RWS based.
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| lelandra |
25 Mar 2005 |
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I do meditation rather than divination with Tarot, so take this with a grain of salt. I can't really vouch for reading vibe.
The Amun Ra Tarot is absolutely stunning and one I'd love even though it's RWS based!
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/418/
Enochian Tarot - a distinct possibility
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/enochian/
The Shadow Tarot is also interesting but looks difficult
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/shadow/
All three of these are based on Enochian workings (Liber 418 in the Crowley ouvre). (IMHO Amun Ra is no more RWS based than Thoth is.) Since you like these, you might want to check out:
Via, as it is also based on Enochian visions.
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/via/
While based on Arab astrology (Picatrix) and Crowley's Thoth deck, you might also get into Liber T
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/liber-stars-eternal/
It is possible, you might get into any number of Thoth variations (as these are neither RWS nor Marseilles based).
There is a comparison page of Thoth variations here:
http://www.lelandra.com/comptarot/tarotthothclone.htm
For instance, Gill
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/gill/
or Tarot of the Spirit
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/tarot-of-the-spirit/
(though it is also possible you might get a too-Christian vibe off of these two)
Barbara Walker's Tarot is very interesting indeed but I don't like the borders
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/barbara-walker/
The Spiral Deck is amazing to look at
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/spiral-deck/
If you have any other suggestions I would be interested:)
When you say you're tired of RWS variations, exactly what are you tired of? The specific scenes on the Minors - there must be a huddled guy on the 5 of cups and spilled and standing cups; there must be 3 dancing maidens on the 3 of cups; that sort of thing? Or is it the mystic Christianity of the majors that you object to? Spiral and Barbara Walker both reference RWS scenes on the minors - Barbara Walker less than Spiral. In the case of Spiral, the majors are more consistent with the (largely Greek) mythological references chosen; in the case of Barbara Walker there's more reference to older decks. In addition Barbara Walker has quite unusual courts.
Lets see, if you were to say not RWS, not Marseilles, not Thoth variations, now the set of decks grows much smaller. Voyager, Greenwood, Blue Moon, Osho Zen, Waking the Wild Spirit, Dreampower, and feminist decks designed in the 1980s come to mind.
Lelandra (Joan Cole)
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| lelandra |
25 Mar 2005 |
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Whoops, I just realized you were talking about a different Spiral tarot! And I thought of another one that seems to be a similar art vibe from ones you said you liked:
Glastonbury Tarot
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/glastonbury/
Lelandra (Joan Cole)
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| caridwen |
25 Mar 2005 |
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I do meditation rather than divination with Tarot, so take this with a grain of salt. I can't really vouch for reading vibe.
All three of these are based on Enochian workings (Liber 418 in the Crowley ouvre). (IMHO Amun Ra is no more RWS based than Thoth is.) Since you like these, you might want to check out:
Via, as it is also based on Enochian visions.
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/via/
While based on Arab astrology (Picatrix) and Crowley's Thoth deck, you might also get into Liber T
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/liber-stars-eternal/
It is possible, you might get into any number of Thoth variations (as these are neither RWS nor Marseilles based).
There is a comparison page of Thoth variations here:
http://www.lelandra.com/comptarot/tarotthothclone.htm
For instance, Gill
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/gill/
or Tarot of the Spirit
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/tarot-of-the-spirit/
(though it is also possible you might get a too-Christian vibe off of these two)
When you say you're tired of RWS variations, exactly what are you tired of? The specific scenes on the Minors - there must be a huddled guy on the 5 of cups and spilled and standing cups; there must be 3 dancing maidens on the 3 of cups; that sort of thing? Or is it the mystic Christianity of the majors that you object to? Spiral and Barbara Walker both reference RWS scenes on the minors - Barbara Walker less than Spiral. In the case of Spiral, the majors are more consistent with the (largely Greek) mythological references chosen; in the case of Barbara Walker there's more reference to older decks. In addition Barbara Walker has quite unusual courts.
Lets see, if you were to say not RWS, not Marseilles, not Thoth variations, now the set of decks grows much smaller. Voyager, Greenwood, Blue Moon, Osho Zen, Waking the Wild Spirit, Dreampower, and feminist decks designed in the 1980s come to mind.
Lelandra (Joan Cole)
I've never used another deck apart from RWS - so yes, a bit sick of them.
Thank you for your help:)
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| caridwen |
25 Mar 2005 |
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The Liber T and Via Tarot are both wonderful, distinct possibilities. They look detailed enough to work with for readings, good for intuitive reading and different enough to provide variation of interpretation.
I also like the Tarot of the Spirit, Tarot of the Sephiroth and Glastonbury Tarot - nice suggestions there.
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| caridwen |
25 Mar 2005 |
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I don't mean to be picky and I am also not recommending my deck but I just wanted to make sure there is accurate info out there...
The Mary-el isn't a RW clone nor is it based on RW, the images are completely different and non-traditional. Strength and Justice are based on the Marseille numbering- Justice/8, Strength/11.
The minors aren't what I would call 'Art', which means to me pretty pictures used because they fit, I have put a lot of thought and meaning into every single one so far and a huge amount of consideration goes into the symbolism on each one. They are non traditional but meaningful.
Just wanted to clarify,
Marie
Your deck looks amazing so far but it isn't finished - as far as I'm aware.:)
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