Tarot de Marsella (Rodes-Sanchez)
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 03 Mar 2005, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| Nina* |
03 Mar 2005 |
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I want this deck :)
Could anyone please tell me how to get it? I have seen their web-site but don't understand one single word of it :(
Thanks in advance!
xxx
Nina
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| Kara |
03 Mar 2005 |
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Uhm there's a thread somewhere in the Marseilles, here. Somewhere farther down is a detailed description..how to order from their site, by Paul.
love
Kara
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| Nina* |
03 Mar 2005 |
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Thanks Kara :)
I'll try to order them right away!!!
Much love
Nina
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| Kara |
03 Mar 2005 |
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They are very, very nice, answered my e-mail right away, I was surprised. And the cards are beautiful! I wish I could speak/understand Spanish fluently, their books look interesting too...
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| Nina* |
03 Mar 2005 |
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I'm trying to order this but... what does 'Nº de tarjeta:' and 'Caducidad:' mean???
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| Kara |
03 Mar 2005 |
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Nina, I just saw this sorry, if someone else hasn't helped you yet, I'll be at home soon, and will get back to you, ok?
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| Clau |
03 Mar 2005 |
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"nº de tarjeta": is your credit card number
"Caducidad"; is the expiration date of your credit card.
I PM'd you, ket me know if you need anything else!
Blessings,
Clau
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| Jewel-ry |
03 Mar 2005 |
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Hi there Nina,
Its a lovely deck, I managed to order it through their site and then e-mailed them to make sure they had received the order OK. The deck came within a few days. Good luck!
J.
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| Nina* |
03 Mar 2005 |
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Thank you to you all :)
I have just ordered it (with help from Clau :*)
Jewel-ry: yes I think they look beautiful :) Can't wait to see them for real.
Kara: Don't be sorry, you've helped me already :) :) :)
xxx
Nina
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| Little Baron |
03 Mar 2005 |
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Can anyone post a link to the images, please? I saw one site but they only showed the majors and were very small...
LB
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| Paul |
03 Mar 2005 |
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Ninamagic -- I didn't tune into this thread during your struggle to decipher the website. But, it looks like other kind folks helped.
Your tenacity will pay off. The deck is well-done. I truly enjoy this deck. The creators have great customer service; so, you should expect efficient delivery.
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| Rusty Neon |
03 Mar 2005 |
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I ordered it from my favorite store ( www.houseoftarot.com ) and its great!
For those who are thinking of ordering, please be careful and note that there is 22-card (majors only) deck and a full 78-card deck. You generally would want the 78-card deck. This is important to note because that site carries both.
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| Nina* |
04 Mar 2005 |
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Hi
Thanks to you all :)
I am sure I have ordered the deck of 78, because I followed Paul's advice from another thread.
(Really can't wait to get them :D )
xxx
Nina
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| Umbrae |
15 May 2005 |
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Also available at The Tarot Garden
(which is a supporter of this site - so if you like this site, and want the Baraja de 78 Cartes, Tarot de Marsella...you know what to do.
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| Rusty Neon |
15 May 2005 |
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Just so people know, Umbrae is a co-owner of TarotGarden rather than an unpaid endorser.
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| jmd |
16 May 2005 |
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Great to see it's available from many places.
... for what it's worth, I had some problems trying to get hold of it directly from Spain last year (I suspect my browser had difficulties with the scripting, and my lack of Spanish didn't help!), and have ordered it from Tarot Garden - which of course Umbrae clearly is entitled to mention (he also doesn't hide the fact, as clicking the 'website' at the bottom of his post shows).
I'm looking forward to receiving both :)
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| Rusty Neon |
16 May 2005 |
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(he also doesn't hide the fact, as clicking the 'website' at the bottom of his post shows).
I don't understand what you're saying. I don't see the screen name "Umbrae" mentioned there.
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| jmd |
16 May 2005 |
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Not that this is really relevant to the thread... but I have attached an image which may make my previous explanation more concrete.
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| Rusty Neon |
16 May 2005 |
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jmd. Thanks. I didn't know about that subtle feature until now. It must have been added during a recent upgrade. I see it now: a "website" click on the same row as the "profile" clicks for advertisers, e.g., umbrae and jmd. Thanks again.
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| Umbrae |
16 May 2005 |
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Just so people know, Umbrae is a co-owner of TarotGarden rather than an unpaid endorser.
The second half of this statement is untrue. I am not an endorser...
Back to the topic of the thread: The Tarot de Marsella!
Dreadful deck.
I hate the colors. Give me a nice off-white background ala Hadar. I cannot tolerate the fake gold, baboon feces brown background.
The cards appear to be some thin plastic veneer – the printing does not appear to be ink, but some type of 'far to precise' printing process.
The LWB states: “Additionally, the deck itself exemplifies the golden proportion; that is, the sol-called canon of beauty, the divine proportion, or golden number represented mathematically by 1,618.”
So I begin my search for the 1.618. The ratio of the cards themselves is 1.906, and the image area is 1.89. No divine proportion to be found.
I’m very glad they refer to the deck as ‘reconstructed’. The fool carries his spoon in his left hand on his left shoulder (“Huh?”), his trousers are flesh coloured and his buttocks are green, (“Huh?”). They say they ‘discovered’ this and that and added it to the cards. La Papesse no longer uses her lap, but uses a lectern (which we are told by the LWB that it’s ”…supporting the Female Pope’s book, which accounts for the heretofore unnatural position of her right hand pressed down upon the book rather than holding it up…” so they move the book off her lap and onto this ‘thing’ and now you have the unnatural perspective…never mind…
The red lettering on the ‘gold’ background does not work for my vision. I find it painful.
I can find no redeeming value to this deck.
Just my opinion.
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| Annabelle |
16 May 2005 |
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Hi Umbrae,
Just a quick question for clarification...are you referring to the 22 card Major Arcana edition, or the 78 card edition? Or do you find both editions to be completely worthless? :D
Of course, I can't really review or judge a deck that I haven't seen in person yet, but both editions look stunning online, absolutely stunning. I will probably end up ordering the 78 card edition from Tarot Garden sometime soon :).
~Annabelle
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| Fudugazi |
16 May 2005 |
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Oh Umbrae! What a knife you are wielding to cut up one of my favourite decks! But to paraphrase you (on another thread) we don't live to please others. I love the bronze background. I love the ceramic feel of the coating (I hated it for the first week, then suddenly, my hate turned to love as I used the cards and my fingers got used to the cards), I love the clear pictures and the whole feel and look of the card. I love the flexible card stock - very good stuff, by the way, I tend to be rough on my cards but these are holding up well.
In modern Marseille decks, I vary my use mainly between Rodes-Sanchez and Hadar, which provide excellent contrasts and complements to each other.
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| Alta |
16 May 2005 |
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I have the 78 card version and consider it to be the most enchanting Marseille deck that I have. Definitely of value to get people to try the Marseille tradition.
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| prudence |
16 May 2005 |
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I just ordered this deck yesterday and am very excited to get it in the mail!!
It is my *first* TdM!!!!!!
I have been reading up on TdM and think it may be a good fit for me and my perspective.
Thanks Jeannette and Umbrae? (this is news to me!)
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| Fudugazi |
16 May 2005 |
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Hurray for Astrid! Shall we start a Marseille with Cajun Sauce Club? (for the adepts of Tarot de Marseille and New Orleans Voodoo Tarot - and these are not so far apart...)
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| prudence |
16 May 2005 |
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yes yes yes!! that sounds fantastic Helvetica!
I am very intrigued to find out how they are similar though!!
PS Have you been playing much with your Voodoo?
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| Kissa |
17 May 2005 |
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The Rodes-Marsella is the only TdM deck i will use when i am fed up of my pagan decks.
I second every word of Helvetica's first post in this thread, especially the clear/precise feeling the ceramics-look gives.
Kissa
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| prudence |
18 May 2005 |
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I got it and I love it more in person than I expected!
I can't believe how QUICKLY it travelled!! Thanks Jeannette, you said it would take 2 days and it really only took 2 days!!!
I love all of the "hem snakes" and La Force's 6 toes!! And the wonderfully NOT ominous appearance of those happy gumballs in Maison Diev!!
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| Alta |
18 May 2005 |
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I just got the deluxe and have only been through it once. Very pretty and shiny. :) Not sure what else, it may take a while.
Someone asked if you could use it with the 78 card version, i.e. replace the majors. No, I don't think so. The size difference alone is an issue (I think Jeannette already mentioned that) and the cards really have a different look.
I think I like them. I will have to play with them for a bit.
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| full deck |
13 Jun 2005 |
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I just recieved such and I'm not happy at all with the card stock, which is way too thin (flimsy?) and there is a trademark on every card in the deck, which I abhor.
The artwork and printing is excellent, however if one is going to put out a deck like this, I can not be impressed with it when I consider how many other Marseilles decks there are without these problems.
This deck is a disapointment to me.
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| Fudugazi |
13 Jun 2005 |
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Nothing can be done about the trademark (it's tiny, but it it bothers you...)
But for the card-stock - I am rough on my cards and use these every day - I have for over six months. They are standing up very well - because they are actually made on real playing-card stock, which is much tougher than it looks and tougher than many thicker cards. It is also a great deal more flexible than most card-stock that tarot cards (as opposed to playing cards) are made of.
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| shaveling |
13 Jun 2005 |
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I know a lot of people find the copyright notices on each card of some modern decks a bad idea. But I like them on the decks with non-scenic pips. They tell me whether the designer(s) of a given deck agree with me about which way is up on various cards.
Rodes and Sanchez, for example, agree with me about the four of staves. (I'm pretty sure we're right about that. Most decks with indicators of uprightness agree with us.) But we disagree about the five of coins. (There seems to be much diversity of opinion on this.)
I do feel sorry for the people who are distracted and annoyed by the copyright notices. I wonder if these little inscriptions are being used more because computer and scanning technology and the Internet have led to more extensive unauthorized reproduction of artwork than happened in days past.
full deck: The Camoin-Jodorowsky and Convos TdM's have tiny copyright notices. So does my Grimaud. But the Hadar and the Fournier do not have them. If you're thinking about a new TdM; I expect if you ask on this forum, people here who already have the deck you're considering can let you know whether somebody's been writing on the cards, as it were.
-shaveling
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| full deck |
16 Jun 2005 |
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Shaveling, none of my other Marseilles decks have modern trademark and I don't keep any that do. As I've mentioned elsewhere, meditation upon someone's trademark is not very helpful.
I have put the "Marsella" up for trade on AT in hopes of getting rid of it but I'm not hopeful that anyone would want to trade their Hadar for it.
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| Nina* |
17 Jun 2005 |
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I have put the "Marsella" up for trade on AT in hopes of getting rid of it but I'm not hopeful that anyone would want to trade their Hadar for it.
I would :) and have sent you a PM.
xxx
Nina
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| jmd |
20 Jun 2005 |
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Shaveling says that '[the trademarks] tell me whether the designer(s) of a given deck agree with me about which way is up on various cards' - this is in fact not necessarily the case. For example, I have two editions of the 'same' Grimaud Marseille deck (ie, the images are exactly the same), save that the titles on one are bi-lingual, and the trademark on some of the pips are positioned in such as way as to be the reverse of the other Grimaud.
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| similia |
20 Jun 2005 |
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JMD I was happy to see you recently with what looked like a Tarot de Marsella :D Am I correct, or was it just a bad photo?
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| jmd |
20 Jun 2005 |
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The photo was indeed from the Majors only edition of the Rodes-Sanchez Marsella (which the photographer liked better as the gold & silver reflected light in a most wonderful manner)...
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| Fulgour |
20 Jun 2005 |
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I've noticed that 3 versions of this deck
have been issued so far. More to come?
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| shaveling |
20 Jun 2005 |
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Shaveling says that ' [the trademarks] tell me whether the designer(s) of a given deck agree with me about which way is up on various cards' - this is in fact not necessarily the case. For example, I have two editions of the 'same' Grimaud Marseille deck (ie, the images are exactly the same), save that the titles on one are bi-lingual, and the trademark on some of the pips are positioned in such as way as to be the reverse of the other Grimaud.
jmd-
You're right about the Grimaud, of course. You've written in earlier posts that the copyright notice can't be relied on as an indicator of uprightness, because it appears in different places in different editions. In my bilingual version, the placement even varies from card to card in the same deck.
But the Rodes-Sanchez Marsella seems to be different. All the cards have the copyright notice in what is either the lower left or upper right corner. Since all the cards with a built-in uprightness -- the courts, the trumps, the cups, some swords, and the two of coins -- have the notice on the lower left; I suspect the remaining, indeterminate cards are meant to have the same orientation.
But even if my suspicion is correct, and this feature is a deliberate indicator of uprightness, that would still be a matter of the designers' or the publishers' interpretation. Certainly we are free to go with our own best understanding of the cards.
By the way, can anyone tell me if the Deluxe Rodes-Sanchez matches the regular edition in the placement of copyright notices?
-shaveling
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| Alta |
20 Jun 2005 |
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By the way, can anyone tell me if the Deluxe Rodes-Sanchez matches the regular edition in the placement of copyright notices? Yes, it does. Lower left, outside the black line. Print running from bottom upwards.
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The Tarot de Marsella (Rodes-Sanchez) thread was originally posted on 03 Mar 2005 in the Tarot Decks board, and is now archived in the Forum Library. Read the active threads in Tarot Decks, or read more archived threads.
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