GREAT IDEA!!!

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 15 Feb 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Pollux	15 Feb 2002
I still haven't "personalized" my two new Tarot decks of the year, and this Idea come to my mind reading of Liliana New Deck Spread. Is there anyone with a new deck still to personalize? I mean, that still has to celebrate, you know: incense smoke, consecration of the tool, earth air fire and water... I think that wuold be a lovely Wiccan thing to do. And we could do it together!!! So, is there anyone who wants to do it with me? We might set date and time and the proceeding of the celebration. We might have invocations, prayers, whatever... We might also have a New deck spread in synchronicity! I would love to. Please anyone join me!!!

Kiama	15 Feb 2002
Pollux: I have 40 Tarot decks that need consecrating..... *Kiama grins sheepishly* But I'd love to join you in their consecration! Kiama

Liliana	15 Feb 2002
I had sage incense burning and a purple candle lit when i didmy new deck spread, but I didnt consecrate it per se, so I'll do it too :) I think my husbands Thoth deck and his Valentines Day Present deck (shhh it isnt here yet, I got him Tarot of the Cat People) will need it too hehe. Maybe if Im lucky I'll be getting Tarot of the Cloisters soon as well (I hope I hope I hope hehe)

Pollux	15 Feb 2002
WOW! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! ;D Kiama, you are GMT o and I, being in Naples, am GMT +1 - Rome. How about you, Liliana? I was thinking of Sunday evening/night. We will be supported by the Moon, which is "growing" ("waning" or "waxing"? ??? *Pollux's English slips*): a brand new beginnig with a brand new Tarot Deck! :) In addition, we have plenty of time to decide what to do, how... and we can fix problems if other people wants to join. Please, hurry up! :-) WOW! A Consecration in syncronicity!

Kiama	15 Feb 2002
How about doing it 8pm GMT? (That's 9pm for you, Pollux) But you'll need to let me know if this time's okay soon, cuz I'll be away from the internet from Saturday early eve to Sunday evening! Also, I'm considering just consecrating one or two of the decks. BTW: What's the New Deck Spread? Kiama

Mateo06	15 Feb 2002
What is this that you're talking about, and is it a must do for a new deck, because i never did it with my first deck. I know that for sure, adn that might be why it isn't being very helpful

Liliana	15 Feb 2002
Im GMT -5, so it'll be midafternoon for me, probably not a problem, I live on the east coast of US

tarotbear	16 Feb 2002
When did Pennsylvannia get moved to the East Coast? LOL!!!

tarotbear	16 Feb 2002
When did Pennsylvannia get moved to the East Coast? LOL!!!

kayne	16 Feb 2002
That is an interesting idea Pollux :) Perth WA is GMT +8 (I think...) so 4am might not be a good time for me as I will be getting up for work in a few hours... Never mind.

Pollux	16 Feb 2002
Well, I'm going to e-mail you, Kiama and Liliana. I have TWO decks to consecrate, however, and I'll consecrate them in different times. I'll consecrate my Aquarian. Kayne, UFFFFFF!!!!!!!! how can we fix that? I really want you to participate. How can we do that? Please, answer soon - our different GMT have a consequence even for the "times" we're visiting the forums... :( I am available at changing, even though Kiama's bit fits me. Or, we could have just another all together... I'm helpless, and I'm starting getting frustrated :'( Kayne, will you try to participate all the same, please? :(

kayne	16 Feb 2002
I am not sure which Sunday you mean Pollux...? I checked out my calender and according to that, it says a new moon has just been (12th Feb) and the next one is on Thur 14th March... I would love to participate though... if we could make it a Saturday night for you; that would be 4am Sunday morning for me... I could get some sleep afterwards and not have to worry about facing work :p I need to concecrate my Thoth and my Osho Zen... (Maybe then my difficult Thoth will play nicely... hmmm.)

Pollux	16 Feb 2002
Well, I mean Tomorrow... my Saturday is Today. The point is... To me, it's 13,00 now i'm writing of Saturday... I GET SO CONFUSED :'( ??? :'( ??? Isn't the Moon "growing" now? However, let's say tomorrow ok? I'll do it Tomorrow at 9 pm GMT +1... Or else, e-mail me, and I will not and wait for your news. Now I see I was too late with this idea... >( We all had better get organized for some very future moment in time... ;p So we have plenty of occasions to get roganized and make our timetables match... :) So, should I wait, kayne? I'm at your service, and wait for updates, ok? :-)

Kiama	16 Feb 2002
Quote: Mateo06 (16 Feb, 2002 07:23): What is this that you're talking about, and is it a must do for a new deck, because i never did it with my first deck. I know that for sure, adn that might be why it isn't being very helpful Consecration is when you dedicate you deck to you. Some people say some prayers over the deck, or pass each card through each of the four elements (Earth, Air, Fire,Water) or leave them out in the Full Moon for a night. Some people say this helps the deck work better, however, I haven't consecrated my Robin Wood, and it works perfectly for me. In the end, its up to you whether or not you think it would benefit you and your deck to consecrate. Kiama

Kiama	16 Feb 2002
How about we all do it on the next New Moon (14th March)? This would give us plenty of time to get organised and everything.... Kiama

Pollux	16 Feb 2002
Kiama: you're always so sensible! You deserve a kiss :* (even though I never use lipstick! :-) ) The Full Moon. OK! 8) ??? How about the ceremony? ??? Will we have it independently? ??? Do we need a leading celebrator? ??? Will you consecrate more than just one deck? I think we should define a "practice", a series of rites and things to do, so that everyone does the same things. However, there's plenty of time to decide. ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE FORUMS ARE INVITED TO THE PARTY! (but bring foodstuff, ok? :D )

Thirteen	16 Feb 2002
First, let me recommend THIS website. It's a must for living in our global village: http://www.timeanddate.com/ They have a "meeting planner" so you can see the time in 4 different places of your choice and figure out the one that works best for all. Second: New Moon = Dark (for 3 days) Waxing = Growing Waning = Shrinking Full = Well, full (again, lasts 3 days) Just to help everyone out there--even native English speaker confuse wax/wane. So, the question is, which moon? Full moon ritual or dark? Last: If you're going for March, you could also go for Spring Equinox. Hope all this helps! Thirteen

Liliana	16 Feb 2002
She said new moon, not full, tho I personally would prefer the next FULL moon, I usually dont like doing much at new moon. And Pennsylvania I guess isnttechniquellyon the east coast, since the garbage state is over there, but its still EST like new yourk lol. And buy waiting my collection mightgrow by then. I dont think we'll need a leader or anything, I wasthinking of independantly but at the same time, andi wasthinking we'd probably figure outsome orderof operation so we'd be doing the same general thing, but itd be hard to write out actualy rituals, some of us may want to add religious blessings and all being different religions one persons blessing might be different than another. Or we could write the rest of it, butleave a part for persoanl devotions. I reallycant say how many decks I'll bedoing at the moment, itdepends if a tradegoes through, if i can get the money together tobuy another, whetheri feel like it with my connelly or my husbands decks, I'll just have to see lol

Pollux	16 Feb 2002
OUCH!!! It's my fault! I confused Kiama's New with Full. SOOOORRYYYYY!!!! :'( :'( However, that site is great, Thirteen, thanks! Liliana: I think that a gap for personal ritual would do best. Actually I've no desire to add something specifically religious. But, of course, if I have to lean towards a path, I'll definitely go wiccan... :D As for numbers, everyone decides and is up to their choice, ok? Personally, I'll have just one. I would rather differentiate the things. Lastly, I'd rather have Full Moon as well - that maybe was a Freudian lapsus ;p . All the same, the Spring Equinox idea is nice, but I think I'd like to celebrate for a different reason... Could I include a consecration of Tarots all the same? (This question is general, and is not referred to the topic, ok?)

raeanne	16 Feb 2002
For people that have trouble knowing if the moon is waxing or waning, I made up a little rhyme thingy that helps me know, by looking at the moon, which phase the moon is in. Look at the moon. If it’s lit on the right, It is getting bright. If it’s lit on the left, Soon nothing’s left. OK, so when the moon is near the horizon, the bright side won’t be exactly on the right or left but this little rhyme helps me anyway. As far as the words waxing and waning go, I don’t have anything special to remember which is which, but I know waning means getting smaller.

Liliana	16 Feb 2002
If you cant remember waxing is getting bigger think of making hand dipped candles, you are "waxing" the wick and the candle is getting bigger hehe

Liliana	16 Feb 2002
Quote: Pollux (17 Feb, 2002 06:36): Liliana: I think that a gap for personal ritual would do best. Actually I've no desire to add something specifically religious. But, of course, if I have to lean towards a path, I'll definitely go wiccan... :D Could I include a consecration of Tarots all the same? (This question is general, and is not referred to the topic, ok?) It's hard for me to seperate my religionfrom any ritual lol, its just so core to me lol. But I have no problems with Wiccan stylings, Im eclectic ;) That, and i'd like to call a certain religious thing into my ceremony, that im sure no one else would be remotely interested in. But still we can figure out what we all are to be doing. Are we burning incense? Any particular type of incense? I have an interfaith shop down the stret thesellthe best high qualityincense ata nickle a stick,if ifindaquarterin my couch I know where to spend it lol. How about candles? I recommend purple, I have an amazing square purple jar candle that's scented with something that seems like a psychic enhancer lol. White might also be useful. I have a light green candle too that is namedinpartafter my magickal name I might use that too.

Liliana	18 Feb 2002
Hmm the time difference herewould be a major problem for Kayne, at +8 (he's in Australia), even if the gmt people did it at noon itd be 8 for him. and 7 am for me, so itd end up being morning for me no matter what i think. And I believe some people in gmt work (gasp, Im a stay at home mom so it doesnt matter to me, well, actually Im sorry I cant do a ritual at 7 am lol) so itd be impossible for them to do it til later. Lets see, if GMT does it at 4, kayne would be midnight, and Id be 11 am, might that work? Maybe itd be easier just to set a time, and we all do it at that time in our time zone, since time is just an illusion hehe.

Pollux	18 Feb 2002
I think we could fix it for the night between 27/28 February. With the FULL MOON. As for time: inputs wanted!!! My ideas are the following: As we are performing a consecration of a Tool, I would like to do it invoking the Elements, and blessing with their power the deck. Fire: a white candle. Standard, powerful and easy. Of course, this is not a restriction, it's sort of "minimum": I'm intrigued by the use purple candles, and I think I'm going to buy some special one on purpose. So, if you all agree, we could also add purple candle(s) - even though I don't want to associate it to the Fire Element: I'd rather take is as psychic key to connect the cards and myself deep. Air: incense. Smells, flower, whetever you please you can add, but incense at least must be included. I actually have a very good one, but ignore it's type (it's all indian print! :( ) and its special psychic functions... that is not a problem, though, coz I love it (it was also a gift! Twice as powerful then! ;p ) Water: a cup/chalice with water. I got no chalice, however. As above, a minimum ;) Earth: salt. I thought of drawing a Pentacle on the cloth with salt. But I'm quite afraid it might be too much "concentrated". We could have a initial calling of the corners (I don't think it is put of place), a consecration of the Tool for each element with its prayer or formula, GAP GAP GAP, and finally ( maybe before dismissing the elements and closing the ceremony) we have the New Deck spread. BEWARE!!! This is just bone-ideas. PLEASE!!! Add yours, and make it better: I've NO experience at all with celebrations - this will be the first, pure Wiccan thing I'll do - so I would be pleased if anyone more experienced contributed. Kayne, Kiama, Liliana, anyone else... Make this great and unforgettable. I'll be grateful for a couple lifetimes! :)

Liliana	18 Feb 2002
well, my post screwed up here because of server, but lets make life easier and reply to pollux hehe. It sounds fine with me, Wiccn in format but I dont mind (being the eclectic I am) I have some of that incense with Indian writing around too, it smells so good, andit was a present for my birthday from my mom, maybe I can find it to link to you pollux ;) I (actually I should say my husband, i gave it to him as an anniversary present) have an incense bottle. They are really nice, the incense is held upside down in the bottle by a keyring, all the smoke comes out the top, nd the ashes fall to the bottom without making a mess. Also good for clutzes, if you knock it over its protected hehe. Id keep my salt in a bowl, it can make a mess easily lol. Try and usesome spring water for water if possible, never know whats in your tap water.

Liliana	18 Feb 2002
Things to include in the ritual: 1.Deck purification 2.3 Card new deck reading 3.Entering a Card meditiation 4.Personal prayers or ritual 5.Charging the deck with personal energy and energy of any other guardian spirits/gods.etc. desired 6.Acquainting the deck with its new "home" (a box or bag for it) Not necessarily in that order :) I think I will only do one deck, one Im hoping on ordering later today hehe. Anybody have any opinions on candles/incese/gemstones whatever else we may want? LikeIsaid before, purple is a psychic color, and you may want a candle to represent yourself, possibly a candle (or more) to represent the divine/positive spirits if you want to bring in that aspect. IthinkI may end up using more than one incense, sage for purification, then something too facilitate psychic gifts, then ending in dragon blood for power (also it is the strongest incense I know, it should make the deck smell really good).. As for gems, Amythest and Lapis are good. Anyone else have any other thoughts?

kayne	19 Feb 2002
Great ideas Pollux & Lilianna, Time is so tricky! I guess it really does have to be the same moment all over the world to get the full effect of synchronicity. (Is that right? I really don't know much about this concept...) To tell the truth, I am quite excited about going outside in my courtyard and doing this little ritual under the full moon at 4am. My cats will find it irresistable! (It is Summer here and the nights are wonderful!) So if 8pm GST suits you guys - I am there :) As far as the contents of the ritual goes... I don't think anything too elaborate would really suit me - but then again just shuffling my cards is very medatative for me. Include whatever you think is appropriate and perhaps we could all adapt it to suit our own requirements. I know the fact that 3, 4, 5? other people in all different parts of the world are doing it at that exact moment will be kinda' inspiring... Why don't we post the results of the 3 card spread afterwards - there might be some sort of connection in the cards!

Pollux	19 Feb 2002
Sure we will!!! :) And, in these regards, I hope everything will go fine. Nothing to elaborate for me either - I've no privacy at home, so I cannot be doing things TOO WEIRD! :D As far as I'm concerned, I'll keep to what I've already posted: a basic Earth/Air/Fire/Water... A prayer/blessing... And my energy to them... I would love do go for point 6, Liliana, still I don't think I'll get my pouch done for Sunday! :'( however, let's say that the essential will be 1-4-5. For 1 I mean E/A/F/W Ritual, ok? ;) For the rest... each to their own. P.S. Thinking I'm doing it together with you, guys, is the greatest addition to the ceremony :) P.S. If your 4 am is my 8 pm, Kayne, then I'm fine with it! Kiama, Liliana, speak out!

Kiama	19 Feb 2002
So, if Pollux's 8pm is my 7pm, I'm okay with it all too.... Kiama

Liliana	19 Feb 2002
lets see, you're 8 is my 3, works for me I geeze i HOPE my new deck getshereby then, I'll be verysad if I have to do itwiith some deck other than my world spirit. Guess Its time to prayto St. Expedite lol (I dont even knowif she exists, it was a joke around Tarot L a loooong time ago). Sent from california today, could it make it cross country in only 4 days, I dont know. Maybe I'll ask fora speed up the mail spell from one of my lists lol. I was wondering, Im thinking about doing kind of a minor linkup between our our rituals, kind of searching for the energy and drawing it to me, and i thougt it might be nice to use a card to represent each of you, so what are your significators? I usuallyuse Queen of cups myself, I was thininking of putting my card in the center an everyone elses ina triangle around it (I think theres only 4 of us). I agree with sharin the 3 card spread, I wouldnt be able to resist anyway lol. I really want todothis with World Spirit,whats more appropriate than a World Wide dedication ritual for the World Spirit deck?

Liliana	19 Feb 2002
lets see, you're 8 is my 3, works for me I geeze i HOPE my new deck getshereby then, I'll be verysad if I have to do itwiith some deck other than my world spirit. Guess Its time to prayto St. Expedite lol (I dont even knowif she exists, it was a joke around Tarot L a loooong time ago). Sent from california today, could it make it cross country in only 4 days, I dont know. Maybe I'll ask fora speed up the mail spell from one of my lists lol. I was wondering, Im thinking about doing kind of a minor linkup between our our rituals, kind of searching for the energy and drawing it to me, and i thougt it might be nice to use a card to represent each of you, so what are your significators? I usuallyuse Queen of cups myself, I was thininking of putting my card in the center an everyone elses ina triangle around it (I think theres only 4 of us). I agree with sharin the 3 card spread, I wouldnt be able to resist anyway lol. I really want todothis with World Spirit,whats more appropriate than a World Wide dedication ritual for the World Spirit deck?

Pollux	20 Feb 2002
Liliana: you ARE a HUMORIST!!! :D I didn't know that of S.Expedite :D Still laughing :D I would even propose something more brazen then significators (that's a valuable idea, keep reading *lol*). As we are four, I thought we could invoke an Element each. However, the two Wiccans is me and Kiama - know nothing about you, kayne, and Liliana your eclectism? Would you do that? However, to make it "linked", I thought we might invoke an element each (to define) and, for the other three, make reference to our companions in the other parts of the world. I even thought about this: Kiama - UK is the most up = Earth Kayne - Aussie is down down = Fire Liliana - more west than me = Water Pollux - remains...= Air It's just an idea however, guys, and I think it might even hurt some religious convictions... so please, don't even finish reading it if you don't agree. I mean no offence to anyone, you certainly know :) As for significators, that would be really NEAT STUFF!!! Also, we might split (as for above) the elements between us - provided you feel like it and well-represented, right? ;p - for example: Lili already got Queen of Cups. I might get Knight (or Page) of Swords. (If Kiama takes Page of Pentacles and Kayne the King of Wands, we might complete suits and courts in one time :D ) In the end, this of significators is a very good idea, I really love it. However, I'll surely think of you while I'll have my cons. I'll be praying for you too, and I'll try to feel merging and united to the energy of the planet, as well as yours in particular :) P.S. I LOVE YOU GUYS!

Liliana	20 Feb 2002
Oh I LOVE both those ideas, is everyone ok with the cards Pollux already named for you, doing the 4 elements AND the 4 courts is way too great an idea :) Wow, Ive never called all 4 corners at the same time before, always in order, so that will be interesting. I didnt want to cast a full circle, little time mid afternoon, but the global circle would take care of that too. :) My eclecticness centers around Christain Wicca, so I have no problem with circles, but I will be calling an archangel as well as an elemental in my quarier hehe I went supply shopping today, they were out of dragons blood incense, but I got the last 5 sticks of High John, almost as good. I also got Sage, Violet, Frankinscense, Myrrh, and Lotus (which ithink is goodfor psychic awareness) Also I picked up a box of Nag Champa (is that what you have Pollux?) anda candle snuffer, since blowing out canles is a "bad thing" So, this is next Wednesday right?

kayne	21 Feb 2002
Wow - what a great idea! This is getting better every time I look at it :) I am fine with the King of Wands (It is the card I made for the FACT deck so I am particularly familiar with it...) I like the sense of balance that is appearing here! And Pollux, I am fine with the Wicca way. I am sort of agnostic so that can fit with me... BTW - When I said it would be 4am for me I think it would be 8pm GST and therefore 9pm for you Pollux (and 4pm for you Liliana...) Keep those ideas flowing!!!

Pollux	21 Feb 2002
Lili, Kayne:I'm SO GLAD you like it! Kiama, we are looking forward to your response. :-) As for the way I set significators, we need to know if Kiama agrees (hope she does!). I'll explain you how I worked it out. In some book I read a while ago, and also in the book by Elizabeth Gill about the deck - I don't have it, I got an extraxt from the Net }> - she says something that can be summarised this way: Kings, apart from their own suit's energy, bear the energy of Fire; Queens correspond to cups; princes to Air and Princesses to Earth - irrespective of their suit, they bear these specific elemental values. I thought this was TERRIFIC! - even if applied to another deck (you get a sense of this in Gill, you know ;P ). In this case I don't know what particular deck(s) you'll be consecrating. Mine will be Aquarian, with traditional courts (that's why I named them RW-like - switching Prince to Knight and Princess to Page, of course :) . So, I proposed those specific courts respecting the above scheme, thus having amplified raw elemental power. I hope Kiama likes it as well. :-) (Be proud of me! :p I'm a growing Wiccan! :P ) As for corners and archangels... Well, I didn't mean to call the corners and cast a circle - I never have, so far! :O ??? :( - but just to charge the cards through the "magic" tools corresponding: the real consecration, after all. But I AM comfortable with this idea, and so seem you, Liliana, and Kayne. SO WE GOTTA DO IT. :) - of course, Kiama MUST tell us her opinion as well. ;) In addition, I'll have you know that in my "calling" I always include the Archangels - beware, I invoked twice so far! I detest blasphemy of every kind ;D . The point is: if all the different callings of the Wiccan people must differ in something, in my experience I found they'll surely differ as regards archagels!!! :D So we should fix this, as we might not fit in with the other... My preferences are: Gabriel ("God hath spoken") as Air Michael ("Who is high as God") as Fire Ariel ("The Pleasure of God") as Water Raphael ("God hath healed") as Earth In brackets there is my explantion for them - if you get it, of course, I'm so unclear at times!!! >( Well, I checked the date, and in my calendar the Full Moon is claimed to be on Wednesday 27th - Wednesday ruled by Mercury, God of witching and magic! IT JUST ROCKS!!! :) As for time: Liliana: GMT-05 - Kiama: GMT 00 - Pollux: GMT+01 - Kayne: GMT+08 This should be correct. Therefore, if we have it at 8,00 pm: Liliana: 3,00pm - Kiama: 8,00 - Pollux: 9,00 - Kayne: GMT 04,00am day-after. Hope this is correct. Geez............

Kiama	21 Feb 2002
I like all these ideas. I'm happy with everything decided o far, and really have nothing to add! Kiama

arizonagirl	21 Feb 2002
Will someone please let me know if I'm correct that Arizona is GMT -7? Thanks.

kayne	21 Feb 2002
All sounds good - except for the angel bit... I'm not too sure about that...

arizonagirl	21 Feb 2002
I agree with Kayne. Maybe those of us uncomfortable with angels could substitute 'spirits and powers of the North (East, South, West)' IS Arizona GMT -7?

kayne	21 Feb 2002
Woo-hoo - Are you with us ArizonaGirl??? More the Merrier :) :) Anyone else out there joining in? Please don't feel like it is restricted to just Pollux, Liliana, Kiama and I...

Pollux	21 Feb 2002
Arizonagirl, you surely are welcome! ;p And, of course anyone else coming in is welcome too! ;p Arizonagirl: I've never had the chance to "type" to you so far, I believe... therefore I know so little about you! BUT BUT BUT there are clues scattered all over the Forum that make me think you are an experienced wiccan practicioner (for example - Kiama's thanking you in Oestara's post). I hope my guess is correct, because otherwise the following won't make much sense to you! :D Now we are five... and the elements were assigned. Pity :( BUT BUT BUT you could lead us all! Of course, if you feel at ease and like it. You could be the center of our cross/circle, collecting all the energy we invoked and having a sort of conclusive invocation/blessing when we call the corners. I actually have a thousand ideas about what you could do... but I doubt they make any sense whatsoever! :D So, try to think about something your experience can suggest... please! :(

Liliana	21 Feb 2002
Quote: Pollux (21 Feb, 2002 20:57): My preferences are: Gabriel ("God hath spoken") as Air Michael ("Who is high as God") as Fire Ariel ("The Pleasure of God") as Water Raphael ("God hath healed") as Earth In brackets there is my explantion for them - if you get it, of course, I'm so unclear at times!!! >( Well, I checked the date, and in my calendar the Full Moon is claimed to be on Wednesday 27th - Wednesday ruled by Mercury, God of witching and magic! IT JUST ROCKS!!! :) As for time: Liliana: GMT-05 - Kiama: GMT 00 - Pollux: GMT+01 - Kayne: GMT+08 This should be correct. Therefore, if we have it at 8,00 pm: Liliana: 3,00pm - Kiama: 8,00 - Pollux: 9,00 - Kayne: GMT 04,00am day-after. Hope this is correct. Geez............ Well my archangel preferences are the same asthe LBRP (ifyou dont know what this is, its posted in Spirituality), boy thatcauses aproblem, we'd both be calling Gabriel lol. Also,I dont care if others dont call archangels I just said i was going too, I can understand where others wouldnt :) If you want to join ArizonaGirl we could always use a center, iknow techniquely Id be the center but I dont want to give up my water position, besides what Id probably call as center wouldnt jive with everyone hehe :) I guess Gabriel must of decided to be the guardian of the whole ritual, lol, how we going to resolve this Pollux? :)

Liliana	21 Feb 2002
Ive been pondering, andif Arizona girl does want to join, I thinkI wouldnt mindbeing the middle, I can use the High Priestess (my soul card) as my significator, and she'd be Queen of Cups. I could just call on the one great spirit, source of all the other gods, so thered be no conflict there. Im not sure what element thatd leave me to bless the deck with tho lol, and it would clear up our Gabriel confusion :) Lets see youd be GMT -7 ArizonaGirl, so you'd be doing it at 1 pm, probably a problem if you have a job but let us know :)

Pollux	21 Feb 2002
WOW!!! So everything resolved without much hassle... All is well what is well in the end. Even though we ain't even got started!!! :) Well, Lili, your choice seems fine, and it settles some bothering loose ends... Arizonagirl, really, do let us know if you want to join us, in that the ceremony, as you might have understood, would definitely change. Your significator should also be the Queen of Cups (fairly imposed, but I hope you feel akin to it all the same! :) let me know if there are problem with this) and your element the Water from West. However, for the time being I consider you as EFFECTIVELY PARTICIPATING, OK? Let us in on it if you change your mind, and drop your position - Liliana should regain it in time. As for Angels - I WON!!! AHAHAHAAH!!! :D But, since Lili is the center and Kayne and arizonagirl (Summoners of the Guardians of the W of south and east) are not comfortable with them, WE LEAVE ANGELS OUT. Lili, I think you should help me understand your position as well... Please! And, in addition, as you will use the High Priestess, you WILL HAVE TO (I'm imposing this :D ) include the MOON in your bit of invocation, especially on account of the fact that we're having this all at FULL MOON and you chose the High Priestess card. FOR ANYTHING ELSE, PLEASE DO POST IT!!! (my sign is disabled, and will always be: I don't feel like typing it each time 8) )

Pollux	21 Feb 2002
Quote: Liliana (22 Feb, 2002 06:48): Im not sure what element thatd leave me to bless the deck with tho lol It's understood that, even though I'll be invoking Air, I'll consider the other three elements blessing my deck all the same. To bless it, I'll call the powers invoked by my companions in their positions on the globe. So, they will be blessed with the elements - all the 4 of them! *lol* - as Kiama will give them Earth, Kayne Fire, I will put Air and Arizonagirl Water. Lili, you'll be summoning the Spirit, for the elemente ETHER, dwelling everywhere and nowhere, comprehending everything and nothing. A Spirit particularly keen on esoterism and divination (rememeber you're under High Priestess and it will be FULL MOON! :D ). Actually, we should put up a formula of reference to the others to put instead of the corner called. I make a stupid example here: << When the moment of the Calling of the corners comes, I start saying my part, a long prayer and invocation to the Air: "WE five of the circle, in the person of ME, Valerio, Pollux on the Aeclectic, invoke thee, powers of the East and Creative Air... BLA BLA BLA..." I get extremely concentrated and focused on my part, as I know you'll be handling the others, and this way I can gain purest power (the most akin to me) and send it to you all elsewhere. Then should come Kayne, who is not close to me - so I have to make a short reference to him, and instill the powers he has summoned and sent to me as well: "We five of the circle, in the person of Scott (I think I guessed it, right?), Kayne on the Aeclectic, hail to thee, guardians of the Watchtowers of the south..." I have shorter bit, because Kayne is the Guardians of Fire, and by that little piece I make so that energy identifies me, and I can receive it and use it for the deck. The same would be for the following ones. The order of invocation is Air/Fire/Water/Eart/Spirit - no novelty ;p - so Kayne, instead, will have first a small bit for Air, receiving my power, then have his LONG LONG LONG and FOCUSED and STRONG invocation to fire and again tiny bits for the rest. >> Guys, I'm working really hard... But I really like it when people appreciate my ideas! :) I hope you appreciate these last ones too!! AND, THIS IS THE LAST THING: In the end, in the following days we'll have to set the structure of it, define the very ceremony and proceeding itself. To have things as familiar and uniform for each of us. That would make us feel even more strongly bounded and magically united - a whole body casting a spell of purification worldwide... Ambitious! :D

Liliana	21 Feb 2002
I have no problem invokig the moon, I love the moon :) But, to clarify, you called ArizonaGirl East, youre East, shes west lol, oh well. Ok, we got generally the first step, the invocation, designed by Pollux. Well, actually, I guess thats second, first we needaltar set up, I think we talked about this before. It would becandle in thesouth, bowl of water in the west, bowl of salt in the north, incense in the east. Which direction will we be facing? I was going to use north since its winter, but I dont care. Should we lay out our cards in a cross pattern before hand in the middle? Lets see, itd be Page of Pents (Kiama) North, Knight of Swords (Pollux) East, King of Wands (kayne) south, Queen of Cups (ArizonaGirl or I) West, and High Priestess (Liliana) center, (only if ArizonaGirl Participates) If ArizonaGirl doesnt participate perhapsa pentacle can be center. We'll probably beholding the cards most of the time, you might want the bag or box you wantto put them in there (I have this amazing bag that my Connolly is in now, its going to be moved, that has a celestial pattern on the outside, white silk lining that has like this paisley border in red around the top, and has a quartz sewn between the 2 layers of fabric. My Connolley is going to be moved to my old bag thats velevet with a sequin moon, and my Spiral who resides theres going into a bag my mom gave me with little gnomes on it) Um, altar cloth can be whatever, full moon can be white or silver but I have aspecial one that I always use that has reds and stuff in it. Um, anything elseyou want on the altar is up to you hehe

kayne	22 Feb 2002
Wow - Pollux and Liliana, you two have been busy while I have been sleeping and at work! Great ideas :) Regarding the Alter - do we have a representation of each of the elements as well as our primary element? Just as an aside... did you know for people in the southern Hemidphere North is HOT and South is cold? Nevermind... Australia is a hot country so Fire suits me fine... Looks like I need to go candle shopping this weekend. Perhaps I will wear all red too...

Pollux	22 Feb 2002
Oh I fixed the West, thanx Lili. Actually, the fact that kayne is in the Austral Emisphere is source of doubts... But I think you can have the same invocation as we do, after all. Directions and elements are not associated considering a geographical/historical reality, but rather a symbolic one... After all, you can consider your cardinals switched, taking as South your direction towards the Equator, and north towards the Pole - as we in the Boreal do, after all ;P As for the disposition of cardinals - well, I didn't understand! :'( However, I'll give you an example: I added a pic in attachment for my idea. The pic refers to Kayne, who charges Fire - therefore, he'll placed south, and cards upright looking at them from south, in the same way the HP. Instead, for exampe, I will look at Air from East, and have therefore cards upright from East, and place HP with them upright, and so on. As regards the calling, the summoner goes around the altar, card by card, element by element. Air Fire Water Earth. After the circle is cast, he takes his position, or what he likes best - I will sit east, disposing all the significators/cards in front of me on a line. Or, we could also have the first part with our significator card upright for us, and the others pointing in their direction (second scheme). Think about these ones, ok? However, I like the second one better. :)

arizonagirl	22 Feb 2002
I'm really pleased that you've altered the ritual to include me. Thank you so much! Pollux: Yes, I'm Wiccan. Experienced? I'm always learning. I hope I never get so confident that I call myself experienced. 1pm is fine with me since I'm a lady of leisure. The Queen of Cups pleases me as well. The direction West is appropriate because of my location. Just 2 more question however to absolutely clear things up for this old girl: 1. we're not doing this ritual on-line are we? I'm understanding that we're each doing it independently, in our own scared space - not at the computer. 2. this will be 1pm Wednesday, 2/27? I get so mixed up with time zones. Please clarify these last points for me. Thanks again for letting me participate.

Kiama	22 Feb 2002
Quote: arizonagirl (22 Feb, 2002 22:14): I'm understanding that we're each doing it independently, in our own scared space He he... SCARED space! :-D :-D Actually, I was wondering whether or not this was actual or online too. Kiama

Pollux	22 Feb 2002
NEXT WEDNESDAY 8,00 pm GMT I thought about it, but that would be particularly boring having it online. We could join the chat at around 8,00 GMT, greet each other, and feel circle; then disconnect, and carry out the ritual of consecration; then log on again, after it's over, and say goodbye, exchange impressions and all... ONLINE: we greet, form the circle, start. OFFLINE: we carry it on, to the end. ONLINE AGAN: we exchange opinions and else, we say goodbye to each other. WHat do you think? P.S. Do you think I would be a good High Priest? :) I'm actually thinking about forming a coven! :D

arizonagirl	22 Feb 2002
LOL!!! Sacred, sacred, sacred! Re the online, offline, online. I think that it would be better to do it totally offline. Because I've experienced so much difficulty often getting the "Internal Server Error" message, trying to hook up with all of you would be uncertain at best. Then, afterward, we could go online, to share our experience, but hey, I'm flexible. I'll do as the majority dictates. I'd like to picture each of you in my mind as we call the quarters. What setting will you be in? I'm in the high desert (7000 feet). My sacred (got it right this time, Kiama!) space is outside surrounded by pinon pines (they look like the trees described as christmas trees). The gound is bare, some sage brush and a small ground hugging cactus or two. Out in the middle of absolute nowhere. No traffic sounds, no neighbor sounds, no airplane sounds. Just me, the wind, and the birds.

kayne	22 Feb 2002
I think that Online/offline idea is a good one but I for one will not be spending much time online afterwards... I will be wanting to get a little more sleep in before I have to get up for work... I will be outside in my little courtyard... There is not much there, concrete, plants, fence... The front is a beautiful garden but as this is shared space I don't feel like being on show for my neighbours... Being 4am it should be a warm night with the full moon just starting to sink... Do you think it would help seeing what each of us looks like? Is it worth email everyone our photos? You are a born organiser Pollux and your heart is in the right place - you would make an excellent coven leader :)

Liliana	22 Feb 2002
Well, I personallyagreewith Arizona about doing it all offline. Imgoing to be acting as High Priestess *eep* and Im going to need to be getting myself in the mind frame, bouncing on andoff the computer, especially with the rrors, may break it,but I'll be on after :) we could meet maybe like an hour before to talk if you want tho, then leave a half hour before for getting ready. Im not sure whereIll bedoingit, definately indoors, but Im not surewhether it will be on the floor of my bedroom or in my spare room. The spoare room collects stuffandwill need amajor cleaningout before I can do it in there, but thats what Im hoping for :) Anyway, my altar is a2 tiered coffee table, and it is covered with a redand white native American horse blanket (I know, its odd, but itwas given tome by my now deceased father) Im not surewhat salt and water bowls Ill be using yet, but Ill havea purple candlein asquare container in the south,and agreen incensebottle (looks like a winebottle) in the east. I mightuse my black glass improvised cauldron in the west with water (its like a black glass bowl that rests in a 3 legged metal stand) and either a brass footed bowl with mother of pearl inlay or atriangle woode bowl in thhe north with salt. Cards inthe center, and perhaps my white Trinity candle (big white candle with 3 wicks) Um the room itself has brownish greycarpet, window in the north west with single bed under it, hutch cabinet made of rough wood at the bootm for books, with a bookshelf beside it for morebooks, brown wood doorin north east, besidedoora closet with this cream colored plastic sliding door., ad a half size fridge right as youwalk in theroom. I also livenext to a railroad track so theres a possibilty of atrain, fairly close to a little airport so possibility ofa little plae, and with 2 toddlers so possiblity of background yelling lol (seewhyI dontdo rituals often hehe) The environmentis surrounded by mountains totally covered in trees, both deciduous (sorrycantspell) and confierous, its rather pretty :) I dont have any on computer pics of myself so I cant send one I think we are all going to haveall our elemnts on the altar right? Oh, and ifIhave my improvised pentacle onthe altar, its a glass star shapedcandle holder, that just so happens thatageode haf my kids got ata childrens day celebration lastyear fits perfectly in the center of.I think a crystal of some sort might be a good representatio for center, Ill probablyuse my pentacle geode.

Liliana	23 Feb 2002
Nobody is going into more detail here, well, Im High Priestess *eep* so I guess I will lol. Alright after calling I suppose next would be purification of the deck, since we'll be working with it later. Im not sure if we are only going to be purifying by our own element or by all of them. I personally was going to start with a sage smudging, which is seperate from the incense in the east. After that I didnt know, if we are only going to go with our own element that means Id be using my geode only. I was planning on doing each card seperately, verytime consuming but Im not in for speed. If we are all doing every element I will probably do each card seperately through the sage, then the deck together through my east incense, over the candle, sprinkled very lightly with water, sprinkled overthebowl with salt, then coming to rest on the geode (or whatever you use for spirit). During this process I guess the cards used in the lay of the circle will have to be picked up, but I suppose that is true anyway so they will all be there for later workings. After that, there could be an actual blessing of the deck, which would actually impart the elemental energies into it. It would be done very much like the above (if we all purify by all elements) Id be changing my first incense to High John, and maybe a little elemental blessing saying could be said at each corner. Im not sure whatelseeveryonewould like to do, wecoulddoan enteringacard, and of course the 3 card spread, what do people think

DeLani	23 Feb 2002
Talk about synchronicity! I was going to consecrate my new Gendron deck (thanks Jade!) this Full Moon anyway. Freaky! As for the moon, as she waxes, she starts out really close to the sun, she'll be out in the daytime, to the left of the sun in the sky. After the sun sets, you see her on the western horizon, a slim little crescent. As the days go by, she gets farther and farther away from the sun, till at the full moon, she rises in the east at the same time the sun is setting. Then she gets farther and farther away still; the waning half moon comes up halfway through the night after the sun has set. Following a circle, she's actually getting closer to the sun, till she is rising in the east just before the sun does. She will then be out in the daytime, to the right of the sun. Then she's so close to the sun, you can't see her at all. That's the new moon. And it starts all over again... DeLani

Liliana	23 Feb 2002
Delani are you joining now too? It will beat 2 PM your time, and frankly I have no clue wheretoput you other than a general participant, not really a problem since you are in the circle location wise :) Or are you saying you are going to doit that evening, its going to be a little hard for me dealing with the moon at 3 pm lol but hey, its my position

Pollux	24 Feb 2002
Well, I'm buying purple candles, I'll have 5 for the 5 of us. I'll place them in a line - there's alredy too much stuff making up the cross: the cards, the cloth, the tools... I would like to have the New Deck Spread after we have summoned, blessed and dismissed the circle we invoked. Liliana, OF COURSE we are blessing them with ALL the elements. I think I'll go each card through myself. I like it better. Here's mine: take the card, put it to the tool/element and pray for the quality of the tool/element to be awakened in the card itself. Then I blow on the card, and say loud it's name. I LIKE IT!!! Sort of biblical creation!!! Liliana, I bet you'll appreciate that!!! And your World Spirit too, as I gather!!! :) DeLani, are you joining us too? Oops, I don't know how to fix you in... ??? Are you joining us, or will you do it the same time, but on your own? ???

Liliana	24 Feb 2002
Yeah that sounds nice Pollux, DeLani could be High Priest lol I dontknow where she would be either, Ive had people call above and below in a circle, I could be above she could be below, ahbeats me lol. No entering the card exercise then? I thought it might be interesting to enter our significator and imagine the landscapes of the cross blending, so we could maybe even see each other in the distance lol, beats me, we could even enter as the characters on the cards (hmmm ArizonaGirl would look interesting, considering shes a Mermaid on my deck lol) Hmm I have like 30 candles in my house (yes im serious hehe), I syuppose I could poke through them and choose ones I think would represent each of us. Wish it was going to be dark here tho lol.

Pollux	24 Feb 2002
Lili, can't you go down in the basement, in the garage or somewhere else dark? It's really a pity... I'm sorry :( I didn't rule out this "entering" the card... But I surely want you to explain it to me/us better!!! :D I like the idea of seeing us through the cards, even though I doubt I have such psychic resistance... I wil try, however, it sounds cool! DeLani, I wonder wheter you are a man or a woman! :) This idea of the High Priest might do... even though I'm blank and clueless about it. HEY GUYS!!! I WANT TO KNOW YOUR REAL LIFE NAMES!!! Pollux = Valerio Kayne = Scott ArizonaGirl = ??? Kiama = Kimberly Liliana = Amber DeLani = ??? I think we need them for the calling... P.S. You know, I only now realized it, but two males will be invoking "Male Elements" and two females the "Female" ones! ;D

Liliana	24 Feb 2002
You know my real name Pollux, remember the What's my name board on chat? Im Amber silly. No I cant go anywhere, unless you want meto perform it in the bathroom which isnt big :) I live in an apartment and every room has windows except the 2 bathrooms lol. I will start a new thread with the entering thecard exercise, i dont want it buried in here, its from Mary Greer's Tarot For Yourself book.

arizonagirl	25 Feb 2002
ArizonaGirl=Rosie Suggestion: Maybe DeLani could invoke the God/Goddess rather than an element.

Pollux	25 Feb 2002
DeLani e-mailed me telling me - I hope I got it :D - that he will have the ceremony, but not in the same time. So, he will be with us spiritually, but he will proceed alone. Pollux = Valerio ; Kayne = Scott ; Arizonagirl = Rosie ; Kiama = Kimberly ; Liliana = Amber. ALRIGTH!!!! Get ready for the celebretion!!! ;D P.S. We all might invoke the God/Goddess, if you feel like it, and Lili, in a certain way, will do it for all of us in her Moon calling :)

Liliana	25 Feb 2002
Yeah i was planning on something God/dess related, I cantinvoke Spirit without mentioning them somehow. I think we've pretty much got what we are going to do now (dont know if anyoneelse will do entering a card, I probably will if I can concentrate long enough) 1.Circle calling thingie 2.Purification/Deck blessing 3.3 Card New Deck Spread 4. Entering Card if desired 5.anything else you feel like (Ill be showing the cards to their new home hehe) 6. Circle Dismissal 7.Running to the computer to post your 3 card spread and interpretations hehe Sounds good hehe

kayne	26 Feb 2002
It's all sounding great folks :) I have decided not to spend any time on the computer due to the late hour... I will let you know about my three card spread when I get home from work next day...

Kiama	26 Feb 2002
What's the New Deck Spread? Kiama

arizonagirl	26 Feb 2002
Lili: I read your post called "Entering a Card". Please clarify if we do this for 3 cards per deck. I'm consecrating 7 decks, so what you're suggesting might take a while. Also, so I wouldn't have to 'short' a deck by removing the Significators, I printed out the 5 Significators from the Aeclectic Project Tarot.

Liliana	26 Feb 2002
I would just choose one deck to enter the card with, you could do them all if you want but itd take awhile :) The 3 card new deck spread is: The New Deck Spread: Card 1: What will you teach me ? Card 2: What do I need to do ? Card 3: What will our relationship be like ? Most of us will be entering the card in the significator cross, so you may want to enter the aeclectic one. So, how many decks are everyone doing? I decided I wanted to concentrate on just one, the world spirit

Pollux	26 Feb 2002
TADA!!!!!!! I got my bag done!!!! SO I'll have it in the ceremony too!!! ;D I tought I could use my lay-cloth on the altar, to put elements and significators and stuff on!!! Just as I would do in a reading!!! GREAT!!! I got it made from an auntie, and it is made with black velvet - your advice was fantastic, Kayne!!! :) The lay-cloth is of the same piece of fabric of the bag. My Aquarian is really gorgeous in it!!!! WOWOW!!! I'm so da*n glad!!! I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!! P.S. I can't find purple candles! :(

Liliana	26 Feb 2002
Thats ok, use another color Pollux :) That sounds great, Ive been thinking of making myself a cloth, but I need to save up some money for the silk velvet fabric i want to make it out of :) I cant sew either, going to use some of that iron on hemming stuff, and am going to put tassels on the 4 corners to hold it in place. If it goes well enough, maybe ill make up a bunch to sell on ebay to fund my tarot habit hehe. Soon here Im going to get together my bowl of water (its 10 pm here) and put it outside to catch the moons energy, hopefully making it easier for me to call on the moon during daylight tommorrow. it might even snow tonight, itd be nice to use melted snow for water. Probably should leave out my geode pentacle too. At the same time my deck arrived, a bag from a tarot bag exchange arrived too, and it matches the deck, so i believe thats where Im going to keep it :) Its too much of a "coincidence" (which i dont believe in at all) not to. I got my ritual space cleaned out now too hehe, now if only I can MAKE the kids take a nap at 3 lol

kayne	27 Feb 2002
Well - tonight's the night! I heard on the news this morning that the Moon is closest to the earth at the moment and something about it looking 20% brighter than usual! Makes it just about the best night of the year to do a ritual under :) I am concecrating four decks and have decided each of them suit a particular element to me. Swords - Thoth; Wands - Faerie Oracle; Earth - World Spirit; Cups - Osho Zen... I have decided to use heeps of little tea lights to make up the circle... I like that idea of printing off the significator (especially since I did the King of Wand on Aeclectic). I will probably be last to get back to you all about how it went due to work and all... but I can't wait to hear about it!!! btw - glad you liked the black velvet idea so much Pollux...

Pollux	27 Feb 2002
DONE IT!!! I'be done it!!! :P If you read this on time, I'll keep the chat page loaded till 11,30 (I'll be browsing the NET, so... :) ). If you can, join me there! Tomorrow I'll post in "Your Readings" my interpretation. This is the spread (three courts!): 1) Knight of Cups 2) Queen of Wands 3) Page of swords Lili, I don't know how and why, buit I found myself entering my signifier! It was so cool! I'll post it tomorrow, but it was so cool!!! THANX LILI! I LOVE YOU (u know what I mean! :D ) !!! The Moon is wonderful tonight, before I go to sleep, I'll put my cards brand-newly-consecrated (WOWOWWO!!!! :) ) to her light. THANX GUYS! IT WAS WICKED!

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