We are serious and want to make this work. (Was that a good enough title, Talisman?)

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 06 Feb 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Kiama	06 Feb 2002
Well, in another thread, some of us have ben knocking an idea back and forth for a cuple of days. I was asked to create a new thread to try and get this idea off the ground, so here goes: Become certified as a Doctor of Philosophy Tarotology (PhD T) Order of the Scallywags of Tarot, from the Kiama College of Tarotology. The idea is that not only do we raise funds for Solandia to go towards this website, but we also get to hang up our rather snazzy looking certificates, which Major Tom volunteered to create for us. The original requirement for application for one of this highly prized diplomas is at least 100 posts on Aeclectic. Major Tom brought up the issue of having an official looking logo for the certificates, so, any ideas? We were also considring changing 'Tarotology' to something else, cuz, as Diana pointed out, that word sounds more like the name of a South American spider than it does the study of Tarot! Again, any ideas? Talisman, out of all the people on this forum who is hardly ever serious ;p *is* serious about this, and he has challenged me to try and jump start this idea.... So, what do you say? Who wants to be a Doctor in Scallywag Tarotology??!!! *Kiama waits for everyone to jump up and scream , "Me, me me!!!"* Let's get this idea off the ground, or at least discuss it some more. I think it would motivate more Aeclectic netties to fund Aeclectic... Kiama

Jewel	06 Feb 2002
Scallywag? ~makes scrunchie face~ that sounds like a stray dog that wags its tail all of the time *LOL*. Could it not be the Aeclectic order of Tarotology? (which by the way does not sound like like tarantula to me). I like the basic idea, and I really do feel that we should assist Solandia. This site is what a tarot school should be, there is something here for everyone interested in Tarot. But if we are going to try and do this through a certification (even if only meaningful to us) then at least lets make it sound half serious. Who knows ... it could become a distinguished honor to have such a certificate some day. Is the only criteria to have 100 posts or more? if that is the case we may end up with people posting whatever just to get to 100, causing Solandia more work, time and money ... just a thought. I think this idea has great potential, but the purpose and meaning of the certification needs to be more fleshed out. If the point is to simply make a donation to Aeclectic I think we could just as easily try to coordinate that and send contributors a nice Thank you card made on the computer with a favorite tarot card on it or something. I for one would be more than willing to make a financial donation to keep this site going. Love & Light,

Mateo06	06 Feb 2002
Um well the logo could like be a coat of arms (sp) with all the original suits. with like the pentacles as the bottome with the swords and wands crossing over it like a skull and cross bone, and then the cup can be on top of the intersection of the wands and swords, but i don't think there should be any qualifications to join, just as long as u enjoy reading and doing tarot and u want to learn more, theres nothing wrong with asking for donations, but don't make it manditory(sp).

Geenius at Wrok	06 Feb 2002
Quote: Kiama (07 Feb, 2002 06:26): Become certified as a Doctor of Philosophy Tarotology (PhD T) Order of the Scallywags of Tarot, from the Kiama College of Tarotology. Just for the record, since the Greek word for tarot is taró, the study of tarot would be "tarology." ;-)

tarotbear	07 Feb 2002
***jumping up and down excitedly*** Me! Me! Me! This is too good an offer to pass up. Maybe we could also offer it on other forums? Maybe hire an actress with a bad British or Australian accent to do television commercials for it? ***brushing up on his worst 'Crock Hunter' accent *** :P :P :P :P

Diana	07 Feb 2002
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Kiama	07 Feb 2002
Quote: Geenius at Wrok (07 Feb, 2002 08:41): Quote: Kiama (07 Feb, 2002 06:26): Become certified as a Doctor of Philosophy Tarotology (PhD T) Order of the Scallywags of Tarot, from the Kiama College of Tarotology. Just for the record, since the Greek word for tarot is taró, the study of tarot would be "tarology." ;-) Tarology does sound much better! Thanks! Kiama

Kiama	07 Feb 2002
Quote: Mateo06 (07 Feb, 2002 08:04): Um well the logo could like be a coat of arms (sp) with all the original suits. with like the pentacles as the bottome with the swords and wands crossing over it like a skull and cross bone, and then the cup can be on top of the intersection of the wands and swords I can see this in my head right now, and it looks very good! Granted, at the moment I can only imagine it in black and white, but it does look good. Great idea! Kiama

silvereye	07 Feb 2002
I just browsed through a commercial new age portal site and found that they registered the word "Tarotology" so I don't think we can use it.

Major Tom	07 Feb 2002
OK! I've done a certificate - I've posted it here as an attachment. Here's how it reads: To all who read these presents Greetings. Be it known that ___________ having made 100 posts on the Aeclectic Tarot Forums is entitled to the title of Doctor of Philosophy - Scalawag in Tarologie with the rights and responsibilities entailed by the Kiama College of Tarologie. Signed Major Tom, BA, MSc, PhD (ST) Scalawag Tarologie. To my mind this carries as much weight (or even more) as any other tarot certification. Use them as you will. }>

Kiama	07 Feb 2002
Firstly: WOW! Cool certificate! Secondly Someone's finally worked out how to attach files to a post! I do like the certificate, especially the coat of arms. Now... The cost? Any ideas? Kiama

divinerguy	07 Feb 2002
Tom, would you consider a few modifications? " ... with the rights and responsibilities appurtenant thereto ..." " ... with the rights and responsibilities associated therewith ..." " ... with no rights and no responsibilities whatsoever ..." " ... with all rights and responsibilities associated with the Fool's Journey ..." " ... with the rights and responsibilities appurtenant to the divinatory arts ..." Geez, its fun using big words. Gary D. Higgins, S.I.T. (Scallawag in Tarot, hmm, I like the ring of that)

divinerguy	07 Feb 2002
Bythe way, I goofed on the spelling. According to my Webster's - its scalawag. Its a historical term used during the American civil war. As to fees, something modest would encourage contributions. Perhaps 5 or 10 US dollars or equivalent? Gary

Major Tom	07 Feb 2002
Kiama & Gary: Isn't it great living on GMT? :D I think Solandia should set the price - but something between 5-10 dollars US sounds good to me. I won't consider changing the words. :p I think the way it works is like this: Kiama, PhD (ST) or Dr. Kiama, Scalawag Tarologue or Dr. Kiama, Scalawag Tarologie Gary D. Higgins, PhD (ST) I've e-mailed Solandia to ask who should get a certificate. :D

arizonagirl	07 Feb 2002
We wouldn't want Major Tom to go to all the trouble and expense of printing up the certificates, if they weren't going to generate revenue for Solandia. The members who are eligible would have to pay first, right?

bec	07 Feb 2002
As I wrote in one of the other threads, I would be damn proud to flaunt that diploma around ;) Count me in when ever you have the detailes nailed and what ever cost you set, I want one !!! :)

silvereye	07 Feb 2002
Dear all, I would like to know is the fee just for covering the cost of printing certificates? cause I learnt from another Yahoo Group for Reiki, that they have certificates for attunements as well and they save the cost by sending the certificate to the recipient and asked them to print themselves. Wouldn't this be a nice idea? plus that would be more convenient for those living overseas like me(I am from Hong Kong)

Original Destiny	07 Feb 2002
I like the idea of a certificate and a donation. Tarotology? not too sure about that but at the moment havnt' thought of something else. Keep the ideas coming

Diana	07 Feb 2002
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Liliana	07 Feb 2002
How about ifferent ribbon colors for different degrees, like blue for 100 posts, red for 150, green for 200, to keep people coming back for more when they achieve a new level ;)

Jewel	07 Feb 2002
Quote: silvereye (08 Feb, 2002 00:41): Dear all, I would like to know is the fee just for covering the cost of printing certificates? cause I learnt from another Yahoo Group for Reiki, that they have certificates for attunements as well and they save the cost by sending the certificate to the recipient and asked them to print themselves. Wouldn't this be a nice idea? plus that would be more convenient for those living overseas like me(I am from Hong Kong) Silvereye, we are trying to raise funds to help with the costs of running Aeclectic while at the same time giving acknowledgement to the members of the community that contribute to its continued expansion. Solandia has blessed us with this site at her own personal cost, and we are wanting to share with her how much it means to us, and how much we appreciate all she does. It would not be mandatory to pay to be able to post on these boards, only to obtain a certificate after completing 100 posts on the site. (If any of this information is incorrect someone please jump in and correct it! ;) ) Love & Light,

Melvis	07 Feb 2002
Hey, all! What a great idea! Count me in... I personally prefer the title, "Scalawag Tarologue," just to throw my two cents in. I also think it would be nice to use colors similar to the plum and blue that Solandia uses. Maybe as paper color or as a border? It would make a nice tie-in. (Or not...just a passing thought! ;) ) Anyway, a 'diploma' from the Kiama College would certainly find a prominent place on my wall! :) Peace, Melvis

Kiama	07 Feb 2002
Quote: silvereye (08 Feb, 2002 00:41): Dear all, I would like to know is the fee just for covering the cost of printing certificates? cause I learnt from another Yahoo Group for Reiki, that they have certificates for attunements as well and they save the cost by sending the certificate to the recipient and asked them to print themselves. Wouldn't this be a nice idea? plus that would be more convenient for those living overseas like me(I am from Hong Kong) This certainly would be better: It would save on postage, and Major Tom's printer paper and ink... Which means more money coud go to Solandia! ;D Kiama

Kiama	07 Feb 2002
Quote: arizonagirl (07 Feb, 2002 22:53): We wouldn't want Major Tom to go to all the trouble and expense of printing up the certificates, if they weren't going to generate revenue for Solandia. The members who are eligible would have to pay first, right? Definitely, at least I think so... The sooner Solandia gets the money the better! Kiama

Geenius at Wrok	07 Feb 2002
Quote: divinerguy (07 Feb, 2002 21:58): Geez, its fun using big words. In that case, why stop at "tarology"? You could award certificates in chartomantology (the study of telling fortunes with cards).

kayne	08 Feb 2002
I'm in! I agree with Melvis, perhaps the colours and style should reflect Aeclectic a little more. The Coat of Arms turned out well :) I also like the idea of various 'levels', suggested by Liliana. Why not give the person perchasing a certificate the option of choosing to have their certificate emailed to them or sent via snail mail. The cost of postage & handling, paper and ink etc would be added to those going by snail mail... Great going folks! 8-) K (p.s. I could do the bad telecommercial ads and put on my most 'croc hunter' aussie accent - "Bloody bonza mate!")

Major Tom	08 Feb 2002
Quote: Kiama (08 Feb, 2002 10:07): Quote: silvereye (08 Feb, 2002 00:41): Dear all, I would like to know is the fee just for covering the cost of printing certificates? cause I learnt from another Yahoo Group for Reiki, that they have certificates for attunements as well and they save the cost by sending the certificate to the recipient and asked them to print themselves. Wouldn't this be a nice idea? plus that would be more convenient for those living overseas like me(I am from Hong Kong) This certainly would be better: It would save on postage, and Major Tom's printer paper and ink... Which means more money coud go to Solandia! ;D Kiama :D I love the way this community loves to pitch in! :D Kiama - Glad you like the coat of arms. ;D I'm rather pleased with how it turned out and it's all thanks to Mateo06! I've only ever offered my time - to design the certificate to email to qualified members following an appropriate donation to the community. I can't afford to give away printer paper and ink or postage for that matter! :D

Mojo	08 Feb 2002
You guys just don't get it.... as soon as you start legitimizing it in any way, you're not scallywags anymore. Scallywags are non-conformists and rebels. They don't issue certificates - that defeats the whole purpose

Kate	08 Feb 2002
Hi, all. I'm new and working hard toward my 100 posts. Yes, it's almost as if the certificates read "this will certify that ________ is uncertifyable" Which is the appeal to me. Seti at home offers a participant certificate that can be downloaded in an Adobe file, yet the name can be edited (and only the name) and then the thing printed. It's kind of slick.

Kate	08 Feb 2002
I should give the Seti at home link: http://planetary.org/UPDATES/seti/seti_certificate_instructions.html

Diana	08 Feb 2002
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Kiama	08 Feb 2002
Quote: Mojo (08 Feb, 2002 22:34): You guys just don't get it.... as soon as you start legitimizing it in any way, you're not scallywags anymore. Scallywags are non-conformists and rebels. They don't issue certificates - that defeats the whole purpose Why? Who said so? How do they know? And isn't it being rebellious to be rebels who actually isue certficates Isn't that going against the tide? Sorry, had to say something. (All in best humour here, Mojo!) ;p Kiama

silvereye	09 Feb 2002
Ok, so there are 2 aims in doing this: 1. to raise funds 2. to give recognition. but I'm afraid it might turn into something like ATA in the future.

tarotbear	09 Feb 2002
Mojo and silvereye are missing an important point. The scalwags are the antithesis to the ATA. The certificate is to raise money for the Aeclectic forums. No one is breaking your arm or twisting your deck to make you join them. If you want to join, join, If you don't , who cares? IT'S ALL A JOKE, DUDES! Besides - why belong to something if no one knows it exists?

Kiama	11 Feb 2002
I don't know how you guys wanna work this. How much money exactly will it cost? Will we send it straight to Solandia, who could write a list of who has given money, and could send that list to Major Tom, who could then do the certificate thing? When we send Solandia the money, we could write whether or not we would like the certificates posted to us, or sent via an attachment to print out ourselves. For example: Kiama (C ) $10 Basically, I'm sending $10, and I would like the certificate sent to be via computer. It would be (P) for via post. Any other suggestions? Kiama

Diana	11 Feb 2002
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faunabay	11 Feb 2002
When you all get this hashed out - figured out - worked out let me know. LOL I don't care how they look (although I like the one Major Tom came up with) I just want to send Solandia money and get my aeclectic certificate! :P I definitely want one of our antithesis :D certificates!!! Everyone just gets SO SERIOUS about these things. Tarotbear is right - this is a joke! It's supposed to be fun, not serious! (jumping up and down, pointing and laughing at the ones being so serious!) hehehehehehe :P :* ;D

Talisman	11 Feb 2002
'Lo all, Here I am with a thoughtful frown upon my noble countenance to show I am being serious -- Imagine! In the groves of Academe where serious scholars gather the awe they will feel when they realize Talisman is a Ph.D. (T), Oxymoron Order of Respectable Scalwags, College of Kiama, with -- Ta Da! A magnificant certificate designed by Major Tom to prove it. Kiama took me seriously, and look what she has accomplished. I might suggest using PayPal to pay for the oxymoron free certificate. If you've used it to make a contribution to Aeclectic you've seen how easy it is. PayPal Solandia for the free Ph.D (T), and PayPal Major Tom for the free certificate -- if you choose to have it mailed. I've got my fingers seriously crossed hoping this becomes a reality. In fact, I'm so serious that -- Wait! Why is Faunabay jumping up and down, laughing, and pointing at me? Try 'n be serious just once, and look what it gets you. Okay, no more Mr. Serious Guy. What'sa poor honest knave, scalwag, rascal, reprobate, rapscallion to do? Gonna go back to doin' what I do best, readin' and not postin', that's what. Great work, all. Talisman

tarotbear	11 Feb 2002
Oooooooooooh! An 'oxymoron-free' certificate! Who could ask for anything more? LOL!!! Gonna buy the gaudiest gold frame I can find and hang that sucker up as soon as I get it! I donated $25 (US) to Aeclectic - not that I'm trying to put pressure on people.

Kiama	11 Feb 2002
Quote: Diana (12 Feb, 2002 02:13): Kiama, this sounds a good strategy. But will this not give Solandia too much work? It'll need checking out with her. That's what I'm worried about... I've mailed Solandia previously about the idea, (Not including the payment and extra work bit!) asking her if she'll mind, ad if she has a ideas. She hasn't go back to me yet, so we'll wait and see.... Anyway... Off I pop to some other thread to be not-so-serious (Although when the chat section goes, I don't know where I'm gonna be not-so-serious anymore! *Sniff* Kiama

Rhiannon	11 Feb 2002
Quote: Talisman (12 Feb, 2002 05:20): What'sa poor honest knave, scalwag, rascal, reprobate, rapscallion to do? OOOOOOHHHHH! Can our certificates say RAPSCALLION instead of SCALAWAG? Rhiannon :) Don't you dare point and laugh at me! :D -->

jade	11 Feb 2002
you people have been up to mischief........i leave and tend to the sections below the ine for but a moment and when i return you are creating certificates LOL well, i want one too. i'm gonna donate when i can find someone i know that has paypal and then i want my certificate mailed to me........since i don't have a colour ink printer.....hmmmm maybe i'll see if i can find someone with one first........hmmmmmmmm............... well, i think that this is very good mischief all. LOL jade ps kiama you keep saying that you are emailing solandia about this.........so what did she say???????

DeLani	12 Feb 2002
Hey all, I think this is a great idea! but here's my two cents: Since the whole point of needing to raise funds is because we are "outgrowing" our space, I think that putting a minimum posts requirement kind of defeats the whole purpose...why don't we just send out the certificates for donations? No requirements other than a donation? E-mailing them instead of mailing paper certificates is a great idea. A lot of organizations do that. I also like "chartomantology" (or whatever comes from "chartomancy") because some of our members use oracle cards, not just Tarot. Set a price and let us know! DeLani

Kiama	12 Feb 2002
Quote: jade (12 Feb, 2002 14:27): ps kiama you keep saying that you are emailing solandia about this.........so what did she say??????? She hasn't replied yet. Kiama

Solandia	17 Feb 2002
(Solandia's belated reply...) Digital Scallawag tarot certificates will be issued to members who are a Citizen of the Tarot Forums (have made over 100 posts). Full details on how you will receive your certificate is to come in the next day or two, but they will be free and independent of donations :) (Anyone can make a donation whenever they like. A donation will directly help support the forums (and will bring its own rewards in the near future...) ~ Solandia

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