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what is the difference with the two?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 23 Oct 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

jesse marr  23 Oct 2002 
hello everyone!

after snooping around on the web i noticed that there are two places to get certification for tarot. there is the american board of tarot certification and then the tarot certification board of america. what are the differences? or can someone tell me where i can find more info on these two organizations? thanks to all who respond. 


Mojo  23 Oct 2002 
It probably doesn't matter which one you choose, the certifications you get are worth the cost of the paper they're printed on and nothing else. The whole certification thing is a joke. You spend money to take THEIR classes and you pay money to take their tests and then if they feel like it, you get a piece of paper that means absolutely nothing. I think the common person on the street would laugh at a certification in Tarot. And no offense to anyone who has one, but I find people who add certification award initials to their name to be pretentious. Of course, that's just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth.

Just because someone can memorize enough keywords and "earn" a certificate doesn't make them a good Tarot reader. 


Umbrae  24 Oct 2002 
But Mojo...you get to take a test!

Just think - a test!

And then you get a piece of paper! A tree gave its all for that paper!

On a serious note...why would one want to be certified...what are the benefits? 


zorya  24 Oct 2002 
...and you can learn everything you need to know (or discover where to learn it) here for free!

...and i'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the education you can get here will be much more rounded. 


Mystica  24 Oct 2002 
I don't want to offend anyone either, but...anyone who chooses a reader based on "certification" is not looking for a true Tarot reading.

I'm not saying this in the way I mean to, probably should not make this post. But I hope some of you will understand what I'm trying to say... 


MystiqueMoonlight  24 Oct 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by Umbrae
But Mojo...you get to take a test!

Just think - a test!

And then you get a piece of paper! A tree gave its all for that paper!

On a serious note...why would one want to be certified...what are the benefits?



I had an aunt who was certified....she kept chewing the straps off the straight jacket :)

But really...IMO Tarot certification is just another way for someone somewhere to make some money...and kill a few trees. 


Diana  24 Oct 2002 
edited 


WillieHewes  24 Oct 2002 
Now now kittens...

Surely these organisations are simply trying to make serious tarot readers distingishable from the kapitalist fakes? Although their effort may be misguided I don't think it should be dismissed out of hand. Which leaves the question still unanswered... The differences may be hard to detect from the outside, Jesse. And it doesn't seem like anyone here has a certificate... 


catlin  24 Oct 2002 
Maybe it would be helpful to dig out the old thread about the certification matter? I do not know how to do it ( ok, you know I am a computer dunce) anyone else willing to do it? 


napaea  24 Oct 2002 
Here are the threads i found...

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6679&highlight=tarot+certification

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=600&highlight=tarot+certification

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=633&highlight=tarot+certification

** haven't read through them yet, but they look interesting...
thanks for the head's up, catlin, i didn't even know these were around (relative newbie?!) 


napaea  24 Oct 2002 
i want to be in the order of tarologie!! i want a certificate!! 


Mojo  24 Oct 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by WillieHewes
Surely these organisations are simply trying to make serious tarot readers distingishable from the kapitalist fakes?



You say this as if "kapitalist fake" is a bad thing. 


catlin  24 Oct 2002 
I think WillieHewes was referring to ppl who don't know much about tarot reading but only use the cards to get the money out of other ppl pockets. 


Umbrae  24 Oct 2002 
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&postid=51689#post51689

There is a reason why we here are not certified. I cannot see paying someone money, for them to tell me I can do what I’ve been doing most of my life. Hell, any good bartender could do the same, mix me a martini, and find me my next client for far less.

As to legalities...read the link above...

…As to kapitalist fakes (a little spell check goes a long ways) some of the best readers – are… 


MystiqueMoonlight  24 Oct 2002 
A certified Tarot Reader is coming to town.

He also has a Bachelor Degree in eating breakfast, a Masters in walking, Phd in sleeping. He's a Certified Practicing sneezer, has a Certificate IV in urinating and is currently studying a degree in breathing.

Yes this man is qualified to exist! I'd encourage you all see him.

:) 


DarkElectric  24 Oct 2002 
If it were me, I'd spend the money on buying new decks. And the time I would spend studying a proscribed course issued by God knows who, (which might, or might not make me a better reader) I would use instead, to get into those cards and learn how the symbols and imagery related to me. I would discover what I could discern from all of it, and practice reading on as many people I could find who'd let me read for them.

I would inevitably get to the point where my readings were consistantly accurate, where I was reasonably confident in my ability to understand the cards, and realise that I will NEVER stop learning them, no matter how long I read.

Then I would copy the certificate from the "American Accredited Whatever, I'm a Better Reader then You because I spent $500.00 School of Tarot", print it out, and hang it on my wall. Nobody would know you had never really gone there, except the clients, because you would be a lot better of a reader if you did all of the above.

One Geek's Opinion. 


DeLani  31 Oct 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by MystiqueMoonlight
, has a Certificate IV in urinating.

:) [/b]

Omygod! Certificate IV in urinating?? I'm only up to III...I MUST find his faculty advisor...
:) 


Demonesse  01 Nov 2002 
A certified Tarot Reader is coming to town.

He also has a Bachelor Degree in eating breakfast, a Masters in walking, Phd in sleeping. He's a Certified Practicing sneezer, has a Certificate IV in urinating and is currently studying a degree in breathing.

-------MystiqueMoonlight.


Holy ****! Why bother getting a certificate then? We'll never be able to match up...I am in awe, I tell ya - the highest qualified Certified Tarot Reader I know ONLY has a basic degree in gastrointestinal Digestion and is a highly experienced Snorer!

Then again, this wonderboy'll probably interpret the nine of swords as the sensation you get when your foot falls asleep....

Perish the thought of this certificate thingy. 


Jewel  01 Nov 2002 
I once new someone with one of those certificates you were referring to. Apparently part of the problem with them is when you teach you have to stick to their interpretations and meanings and leave what you have learned personally out. To me that is ridiculous. It is the path of discovery created through the study of tarot that provides the most enlightening information. Thus I agree that a better education can be found here at Aeclectic where you can express and maintain your views AND discuss them with the entire forum and continue learning. I once thought I wanted a certificate until I learned how restrictive it really is. 


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