Temptation.....

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 04 Dec 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

allibee	04 Dec 2002
Hi peeps, Have you ever been in a reading situation where you have been tempted NOT to reveal something, because of your relationship to the sitter. You know, something that has/would have direct bearing on your relationship.... or worse, been tempted to add, simply because the sitter knows less than you or nothing about the meanings of the cards? I'll give you an example: Cards on the table, so to speak. About seven - eight years ago I was in a relationship with a married man, great sex but nothing more type of relationship. His wife - no angel herself - took it upon herself to be my friend, blast her, and took a great interest in me reading the tarot. She often asked for me to read for her about money and work, and then one day out of the blue, she asked me to do a reading about her and her husband, because she thought he was seeing someone else! I couldn't get out of it, because I was sitting there with the cards in my hand. So, sharp intake of breath, and some sudden decision making! What should I do? Whatever the cards said, should I dilute it and so keep my relationship in tact with both of them? Or should I give it to her straight? Or, heaven forbid now that I look back, should I give a story that would benefit only me? It is fair to say that me being me, I discounted the last option first, because I always knew what would be, would be, regarding my relationship with the husband - que sera, sera. So I decided on the second option. The truth. Suffice to say out came The Fool (fickle), The Devil (lust), 2 Coins (juggling) and 7 Swords (deceit), to name but a few. And I called them exactly how I saw them. She sat back, a weight off her shoulders, and told me she knew all along, and she knew who it was....... ooeerrrrr. She went upstairs and brought down a hotel receipt and a love letter from this OTHER woman. God, rofl, what a naughty little boy he was! Suffice to say, I breathed a huge, inaudible sigh of relief. But moreso, realised you can't kid the cards! That was a temptation that revolved around a menage e'trois...or more... . Have any of you been tempted, truthfully }) allibee 'I'm no angel' should be my new sig!

Talisman	04 Dec 2002
'Lo all, allibee, this is the best Tarot story I'm likely to read this week! Thanks for sharing. Too bad you're not an angel. All the rest of us, of course, are angels. Oh, absolutely. Talisman

Kiama	04 Dec 2002
This usually happens when I read for new friends, esp. if they're male friends... Twice I have had cards such as the Lovers and 2 of Cups arise in a reading, alongside my significator cad, and the new male friend's significator card, and I've ben sitting there thinking... 'If I tell him what I see, he's either gonna freak out, or he's gonna think I'm making it up.' Only once out of those two times did I NOT reveal what I saw, cuz I was simply too embarassed. The sexual tension at the time was stupidly high anyway, and I just couldn't cope with saying exactly what the cards were wanting me to say! I told that guy at a later date however, after what the cards told me would happen actually happened. ;) Kiama

Bings	04 Dec 2002
allibee, I think you handled that situation perfectly. Let the cards say what they must. I had gone on a trip a few months back. (The white water rafting trip.) It was over night with cabin camping. That first night I pulled out my tarot cards. Beautiful full moon. I was reading for everyone one in our group. It came time to read for one woman who I would rate somewhere between aquantance and friend. She has some personality flaws I really find irritating. She invades personal space all the time. Has to be in your face, her body touching yours, while talking to you. Being one of the few officer wives on base (military) she feels it is her duty to lead the rest of us. Believes she gets the last and final say on all decissions. She is selfish. Loud. Not obnoxious. But is overbearing with a superior attitude. When it was her turn I didn't think much of her personality at first. I was just having too much fun to even think of that. Then the cards started coming up very negative. The card I remember the most was the one that represented her as the querent. It came up The Devil. I sat there looking at that card struggling for words. I looked over to my closest friend, who is a wonderful tarot reader, for help. The whole reading pointed to her being a very selfish person who doesn't care about others as long as she gets what she wants. I really really really sugar coated that reading. There were 3 other people watching at that point. It was a very hard reading to get through, and I breathed a big sigh of relief when it was over. I will also avoid reading for her in the future!!! Dianne

Laurel	04 Dec 2002
I was just doing a reading on Sunday for a friend who's also an ex-girlfriend and well, "prickly" at times. But she'd really wanted one and every question I answered spawned others, taking things more and more onto a personal level I wasn't sure I could go without my biases coming out. I tried to be keep in mind that my goal was to communicate helpful information and to work with and not at her. At one point I blurted out "Although you need to be prepared that it might be your current Will to stay a very bitter person," which she laughed sympathetically over and admitted that she did in fact intend to stay bitter towards people she perceived as hurting her in the past- all she wanted was that bitterness to not affect her present circumstances. At that point, the reading was over in my mind. We'd reached a block where because of her mindset, nothing else I had to say was going to be useful- it would turn into an argument between my beliefs and hers. I started wrapping up and sincerely told her I hoped it had been useful and excused myself. Sure, the cards and I had more to say. But it wasn't anything she wanted to hear, would agree with, or find useful at that time and place. I've cut off readings for other people, for similar reasons. Better than getting caught up in personal dynamics that would only stress all those involved. Laurel

destinyawaitsme	04 Dec 2002
I have ran into several situations like that. My old roomate has (in my opinion) an abusive boyfriend. He makes comments about her physical appearance (very pretty girl), her acne (which isn't really bad..it's typical 19 year old acne...it happens). And I noticed she always says things like, "I can't do that, he would kick my ass!" (I know sometimes people say this in a joking manner, but I've always wondered how much truth there wasin this comment.) I did a reading for her, it was mainly about her relationship with him. How it isn't going well, she feels powerless, so she tries to control other areas of her life to compensate. (Straight A's all through college, big perfectionist, used to have a horrendous eating disorder (had to be hospitalized)) We have been friends for almost 10 years so I was honest with her and she actually agreed. But was convinced that I needed to do a reading for her boyfriend, to convince him how he needed to change his ways!!! I declined, and she said nothing more about it. Later while he was over she said,"Why don't you do a reading for him???" Since I was on the spot, I reluctantly agreed. My heart was racing so fast. I was almost praying for a 2 of cups, or ten of cups...this was somewhere I wasn't comfortable going! Unfortunately, the cards stayed true! Basically got a lot of cards that reflected his selfishness, controlling behavior, drug use, and horrible fiery temper. It actually made me think a lot less of him, because I was afraid my suspiciions were true. I kind of turned it into, he might be in a bad mood, or something to that effect. Then he went on to criticize how the reading was really vague. (Oh if he only knew!) So I try to keep my cards to myself as much as possible. I love to share readings with others, but sometimes, it's just nice to keep your decks and opinions to yourself.

Celtic_Dragon	04 Dec 2002
Too new to have my own story but love reading them. I'll keep this post in mind when I do come across a situation like those mentioned. Also, this is definatly a subject where my sig come in to play.

Mystica	04 Dec 2002
Allibee, you naughty girl! ROFL Thanks for sharing your story and starting an interesting thread. It's always fastinating to hear again and again how the cards are so bluntly honest. I don't have any real good stories of my own to share. Well.....I have a couple stories, but nothing involving Tarot!! LOL

JC	04 Dec 2002
Allibee do you mean she knew it was you and was confronting you, or he was seeing a third woman? Anyway, I'm almost never comfortable reading for people I know, for two different reasons - one, they tend to tell me private stuff, which is easier to forget if it's told to you by a stranger, and also because of the cards that might come up. Do any of you remember me asking about how you would interpret it if the Tower came up in the position of what a querent wants? It actually pointed to many things in the reading, but the other card in that position was the King of Swords. When I explained the King's qualities to her, she said it was just like a guy she had a crush on but had recently been married. The two of them were very close, but she hadn't told him about how she felt. And of course the Queen of Swords came up as her opposition. I just told her to keep in mind that particular Queen has a big sword.

allibee	04 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by JC Allibee do you mean she knew it was you and was confronting you, or he was seeing a third woman? No.... the naughty, little devil in question was seeing a third woman.... and later on a fourth, fifth and sixth ;) Vianne: come on, spill the beans, my pm is always available to you!!!!!!! })

violinlily	04 Dec 2002
headow efreebodee (I hab a cold), I mide hab zome intwesting stories, but, also, not Tarot. id's alzo intwesting how blunt da cards (and da troof) can be. **violinlily running to blow her nose** talking a lidle better.... uhh...... I fink people like reading about other people's stories beacuz it will helb them in zimilar situations. So, pleeze keep writing down yowr stories, we abbreciate dem. (sneeze) (I really do have a cold) In normal typing: I might have some interesting stories, but, also, not about tarot. It's also interesting how blunt the cards (and the truth) can be. I think people like reading about other's stories because it will help them in similar situations. So please keep writing the stories, we appreciate them. thanks alot,

truthsayer	05 Dec 2002
i had an interesting tarot experience last weekend but it wasn't nearly as interesting as allibee's story. allibee, you should fictionalize that story and see if some new age mag would buy it. my mother and i have had a difficult relationship. we tend to go back and forth from being best friends to not speaking to each other a few monthes. we both have hurt each other and needed to learn forgiveness. a couple times every year, i try to do a tarot reading for her. the reading has pretty much been the same the last 20 years--that she is in a situation that she has more power to change things than she is willing to do. since i "thought" i knew what she needed to do to make things better, i would get frustrated and angry with her that she was always complaining to me. i tried the "fix her" route. never did what i suggested so i eventually stopped. just all kinds of issues. i really felt afraid that i would not resolve my feelings with her before she passes on. then one night in the past couple weeks, i dreamed that she and i had forgiven each other. in the dream she died and became my constant companion. no one could understand why i didn't weep over her loss at the funeral but they didn't know she still inside of me. i didn't feel a loss. her body was deceased but her spirit still existed and i was comforted by that and the fact we forgave each other. so in the morning, i called her to make sure she was still alive. she was so i told her about the dream. she sounded so relieved. she told me she wished my others siblings would talk to her and work out stuff now, too. we talked a lot about what she wanted in funeral arrangements, etc. for the first time in a very long time i felt trust, love, and compassion for her instead of frustration and anger. anyhow, we did some readings over thanksgiving. to my surprize her cards had changed. they indicated personal growth and a willingness to face things she had put off or denied in the past. we did several readings and while the cards changed somewhat, it was the most positive readings i've ever given her. but since then i've been thinking and you know how dangerous that can be...i suspect now that the cards were talking about our relationship the last 20 years and how our feelings were blocked and neither was willing to change. i also suspect that her readings were for me too b/c i've finally accepted that the reason we can't get along is that we are so much alike. when i saw her pain i was frustrated b/c it reminded me of what seemed equally hopeless situations in my life. we both tend to sink our teeth into hopelesss situations and refuse to give up that special motivating cause no matter how hurt we are by it. we both tend to live for "our causes", our karmic purpose on earth. i think my dream told me what was going on but those readings confirmed that there has been a definite change for the better. i can see a pattern now that i couldn't see before. it's like somebody opened a window in my mind and let in the fresh air. i have my dream and tarot to thank for my new insights. btw, mom and i feel like girlfriends now. :)

lupo138	05 Dec 2002
I know the situation that this thread is all about quite well. It was the reason for me to stop doing readings for people, that I have personal interest in acting in a certain way. This could be financial as well as partnership things. I experienced a situation when I was quite interested in a girl and did a spread for her. She was in a strange and quite unhappy relationship, and that was what the cards said in general. They showed two possible outcomes, both being new relationships. The one would be with me and it would be a happy one. But I "was a person that she knew quite well and did not think of as a possible partner." On the other hand there was a person that was just going to step into her life. This was the less happy relationship to be the exit of the current one. Well, it was a real challenge for me, as I didnīt want to talk her into preferring me in a situation like a reading - it seemed to be some sort of abuse to me. So I decided to keep it neutral and described the two persons, one being me, the other being the guy that hadnīt shown up in her life until then. Looking backwards, it is nearly frightening, how accurate my description of him was (married, unwilling to quit his marriage, rather wealthy etc). The description of myself was like "he seems to be a fire sign (I am sagittarius and the card was the Knight/wands) and you know him very well, have been knowing him for a long time, but rather as a friend...." She didnīt get it (no, she didnīt refuse conciously to get it: I dare say that because she is an open book to me). And now she has been together with that guy for two chaotic years - well, I can live with that, but I am not too sure, whether I made the right choice then. Most probable I would act differently today. So you see, I am not an angel either :)

allibee	05 Dec 2002
wow, what a can of worms I opened, LOL Hope your cold gets better soon Violinlily. Truthsayer, good idea about the new age mag....only I've never read or seen one, such things don't seem to exsist here. Any recommendations? And I can COMPLETELY understand your relationship with your Mum. It sounds a carbon copy of the one with my mum. Except for the fact I've recently accepted the fact that this is 'the way she is, and always will be', there is no hope for her I'm afraid. Lupo, I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but next time the subject comes up, you could always make a joke of it, and plant the seed.... you know, something along the lines of 'haha, I expect that 'other man' is me!' Many a true word has been spoken in jest. Thank you all for your stories, and keep them coming! allibee

lupo138	05 Dec 2002
right, allibee: I think I will handle it like that, if the situation would come up. Thank you for your helpful advice ! (Now I have to stop thinking about who should get a reading next .... ;) )

allibee	05 Dec 2002
But don't forget Lupo, that although the seed will be planted, she may well laugh at your joke..... but in a nervous way I think. So be prepared!

lupo138	05 Dec 2002
planting the seed is enough achieved to bear consequences like these ;)

Kazz	05 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by allibee Suffice to say, I breathed a huge, inaudible sigh of relief. But moreso, realised you can't kid the cards! allibee 'I'm no angel' should be my new sig! You are right....there is no kidding the cards...that's for sure! You were so very brave indeed allibee...:D If that was me ....I would have definately needed a change of underwear;) and not to mention a towel to wipe up the sweat which would have poured down my face..:eek: Cheers Kazz :TQC

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