Hm..

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 02 Mar 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

coldsuns	02 Mar 2003
Are we allow to use the Tarot Cards on our own? Such as asking ourself, "When will my hamster die". Hm?

Emily	02 Mar 2003
The cards won't usually be that specific, if your hamster was ill you could do a health reading on it but the cards won't say something like 'yes your hamster will die in the next week' and even if you got a pretty negative reading for the health of your hamster, take it to the vets. The future is not set in stone and you can change it. Hope this helps, :)

Alex	02 Mar 2003
Hamsters seem to die randomly. I've given it up on hamsters. Sometimes common sense is more useful than cards. Quote: Originally posted by coldsuns Are we allow to use the Tarot Cards on our own? Such as asking ourself, "When will my hamster die". Hm?

coldsuns	16 Mar 2003
You guys misunderstand me. That was juz an example! What i'm trying to ask it..are we allow to use Tarot Cards and ask questions about ourselves? Like shuffer the cards, ask question put a spread then open and see the prediction all alone about ourselves?? **The hamster thingy is juz an example i anyhow used(i dun haf hamster)

Kitty	16 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Alex Hamsters seem to die randomly. I've given it up on hamsters. Sometimes common sense is more useful than cards. Oh my god! I don't know why but your comment has hit a funny spot with me and can't stop giggling!! I'm so glad that it was just an example otherwise I'd be feeling alwful. "hamsters seem to die randomly. I've given up on hamsters" Its not funny but I'm absolutely killing myself with laughter - I wonder about my sense of humour at times!! *trying to compose myself* Okay - to the topic at hand - not hamsters. No, I don't think you can ask such a specific question - as Emily suggested - a reading on the health of the hamster (or person for that matter) would be better suited to your question.

coldsuns	16 Mar 2003
Nono! Hm..what i trying to say is using own Tarot Deck alone asking about anything eg. love,family,career. Or we need someone to help us?

Kitty	16 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by coldsuns Nono! Hm..what i trying to say is using own Tarot Deck alone asking about anything eg. love,family,career. Or we need someone to help us? Ah okay. I understand what you are asking!! Yes you can use your cards on your own. You do not need some else read them for you. If you need help with interpretation you are welcome to post your spread in the "Your readings" section of the forum. Hope that helps.

Marion	16 Mar 2003
I moved this thread to Talking tarot because it does not contain a throw, just a general discussion about the uses of tarot cards.

coldsuns	16 Mar 2003
Thanks Kitty! Someone told me that is not good to use Tarot Deck and predict on your own. Magician..ok ^_^

wavebreaker	16 Mar 2003
I don't think there's anything wrong at all with using the tarot for yourself. However, you do have to be able to step back and try to look at your own situation as objectively as possible to be able to interpret the cards well. Sometimes, you might be so caught up in a situation that it's virtually impossible to do a reading for yourself on that situation, and in that case it might be better to have someone else do the reading or help you interpret the cards. An "outsider's" view of the situation can be very refreshing. As Kitty already suggested, if you need help with interpreting a reading for yourself, you can always post it in the Your Readings section.

Icestorm	16 Mar 2003
Im sorry... but....... the hamster joke...... is absolutely.... ... killing me!!! I think the "Hamsters just seem to die randomly" did the trick... cant stop laughing either..... Anyways... I personally dont think there's anything wrong with doing lots of readings for yourself, although try not to read the same thing twice for at least a month, or if circumstances drastically change. Also- too many personal reading can cause a burn out, where you will just become confused and lose interest in tarot. (Heaven forbid!) And please... no more hamster jokes... my back is to the wall!

coldsuns	16 Mar 2003
Ok..that stupid friend of mine has being cheated. Such "rumour" should stop. Anyway thanks for you guys great help. I've to concentrade on my studies now. I got 48/100 for my English and 50/100 for Maths! Terrible results ~>,~<

Macavity	16 Mar 2003
Ah, hamsters. Well, there's always that (infamous?) internet story: http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/ravenpoe1/cindyp2.html Click on "hamster story" at the top right. Be careful, this one is perhaps "parental guidance"? But most definitely not for those who eat or drink in front of their screens? :D Macavity

Kitty	16 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Icestorm Im sorry... but....... the hamster joke...... is absolutely.... ... killing me!!! I think the "Hamsters just seem to die randomly" did the trick... cant stop laughing either..... And please... no more hamster jokes... my back is to the wall! Maybe its our aussie sense of humour? :D :D I had a terrible giggling fit!!

Kitty	16 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Macavity Ah, hamsters. Well, there's always that (infamous?) internet story: http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/ravenpoe1/cindyp2.html Click on "hamster story" at the top right. Be careful, this one is perhaps "parental guidance"? But most definitely not for those who eat or drink in front of their screens? :D Macavity Thank macavity!! LOL Should had taken note of your advice about eating, nearly chocked on my breakfast and snorted it over screen with laughter !!:) No more hamsters!! I'm off to go the the newsagent for the newpaper - will look like a nutter giggling to myself in the street. (even the word hamster cracks me up - we don't call them hamsters here in oz)

Athara	16 Mar 2003
I couldn't help but laugh at that 'I've given up on hamsters'-post. Hilarious! :D But, anyway, reading for yourself can be hard. And it's even harder to see beyond what you want to see in the cards. That's something you'll have to learn when you truly want to read the cards for yourself. Good luck! Goes to check on her hamster, laughing hysterically... :D

Hedera	16 Mar 2003
.....but I can't contain my curiosity: Quote: (even the word hamster cracks me up - we don't call them hamsters here in oz) What do you call them, Kitty? :) Hedera (still giggling like a madwoman when anyone mentions hamsters - or feet)

Kazz	16 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Hedera .....but I can't contain my curiosity: What do you call them, Kitty? :) Hedera (still giggling like a madwoman when anyone mentions hamsters - or feet) Hamster - is called a 'Guinea Pig' in Australia (someone correct me please if I am wrong..;)) and to pronounce it, would be like 'ginny pig'..strange name hey!!:D Cheers Kazz :TQC

Khatruman	16 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by coldsuns Are we allow to use the Tarot Cards on our own? Well, parental guidance is strongly suggested, depending on the deck. Now something like the Rider Waite is PG-13, whereas Thoth is definitely R...then we come to the Decameron, which borders on NC-17, unless you see the original majors, which is definitely the unrated version..*s*

coldsuns	16 Mar 2003
Hamster and Guinea Pig are 2 completely different type of animals though they are long-distance relatives. Guinea Pig has long hair and much more bigger. Anyway i didnt know my 1 post can make so many people die of laughter ... -Murderer-

Kitty	16 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Kazz Hamster - is called a 'Guinea Pig' in Australia (someone correct me please if I am wrong..;)) and to pronounce it, would be like 'ginny pig'..strange name hey!!:D Cheers Kazz :TQC Thats right - we call them guinea pigs - probably just as funny as hamster :D

Icestorm	17 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Khatruman Well, parental guidance is strongly suggested, depending on the deck. Now something like the Rider Waite is PG-13, whereas Thoth is definitely R...then we come to the Decameron, which borders on NC-17, unless you see the original majors, which is definitely the unrated version..*s* Arent you forgetting the Tarot of Cassanova and the Tarot Erotica? I think those decks get an 'X' rating, LoL.

Emily	17 Mar 2003
I know I'm probably going to regret asking this but if a hamster is a guinea pig in Australia - What do you call guinea pigs? :)

Khatruman	17 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Icestorm Arent you forgetting the Tarot of Cassanova and the Tarot Erotica? I think those decks get an 'X' rating, LoL. Ahh, yess, most definitely.... well, the prominence of nudidity (misspelling my own :D), makes many decks parental guidance ones. Personally have no problem with the X decks..*s*

Diana	17 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Emily I know I'm probably going to regret asking this but if a hamster is a guinea pig in Australia - What do you call guinea pigs? :) Yes, I also want to know. Oh, and coldsuns: you can definitely use Tarot cards on your own. :) Of course, hamsters all die one day, so if you ask "will my hamster die", the answer will definitely be yes. If, however, it's ill, and you want to know what's going on, you can ask the Tarot for insight as to what may be the problem, and what solutions can be found. Although, as you don't have a hamster, that would not be such a great question to ask. Perhaps you have a guinea-pig, or a ginny-pig? No, but seriously, you can ask the Tarot any question you want. The tricky thing is interpreting the answer correctly, and for that you need to use your intuition, your common sense, and a basic knowledge of Tarot. Now, if ever you buy a hamster, please let us know, and someone here will do a reading for you for it. :laugh:

Kitty	17 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Emily I know I'm probably going to regret asking this but if a hamster is a guinea pig in Australia - What do you call guinea pigs? :) that IS what we call them!! :D My brother and I had two as kids - they are the funniest animals - sort of blobs of fur with four little legs and make this eh ehe eh noise - don't do anything except eat grass!! :D

Athara	17 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Kitty that IS what we call them!! :D My brother and I had two as kids - they are the funniest animals - sort of blobs of fur with four little legs and make this eh ehe eh noise - don't do anything except eat grass!! :D Huh? You call them both guinea pig? *Has lost her way, probably because of one of the best sarcastical sentences ever, to be read earlier in this thread* :P

Kitty	17 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Athara Huh? You call them both guinea pig? *Has lost her way, probably because of one of the best sarcastical sentences ever, to be read earlier in this thread* :P Yeah that's it - just guinea pigs! Is there a difference between hamsters and guinea pigs? I think it is just the name that differs - can't believe I'm going to do this but I am going to investigate if there is a difference. So are the guinea pigs in australia really the same as a hamster or are hamster a different type and only found elsewhere? This is hysterical LOL

Kitty	17 Mar 2003
Okay they are different animals - guinea pigs are bigger - I had a look on the internet - they appear to be different species of rodents!! I have never seen hamsters for sale here in oz - only guinea pigs - which IMO are cuter - less rodent like. Oh God I can't believe I tried to do research on the differences between guinea pigs and hamsters!!!!!!!!! have to get back to my psychology study - I've taken annual leave from work to do study. If anyone asks me what I have done this morning I will have to tell them - research into hamsters and guinea pigs. LOL :D

HudsonGray	17 Mar 2003
Boy that's a lot of confusion! Guinea Pigs, Hamsters. Hamsters are two or three times the size of mice (about the length of your hand for large full grown ones, but smaller usually). Guinea pigs are half the size of a rabbit, VERY different creatures, though distantly related. So you crack up on rodents? Ever hear of an armadillo? They're all over the American southwest & are very stupid, half blind (they're burrowing creatures) and have the unfortunate ability to JUMP vertically when they're startled. This is the kiss of death when they're crossing a freeway & an 18 wheeler semi goes over them. My sister says they're 'born dead at the side of the road'. (They can run faster than we can though--um, not the dead ones). ..........back to tarot.........the hardest thing with reading for yourself is, yes, to remove yourself enough from the question so as to not influence the deck. Otherwise the deck will ONLY tell you what you want to hear. It's frustrating, and many people can't read for themselves because of it. And don't keep asking the same question over & over, you do have to wait a week or two before asking the same thing. Remember that you're only getting GUIDANCE on this, once you get your answer from the deck you can influence the future enough to change the reading. It's not set in stone. _________________________________________________ NEVER get a haircut after 3 drinks of any kind of alcoholic beverage.

Aoife	17 Mar 2003
I never had a problem with my kids having hamsters. As has been suggested, they proved to be a useful tool to teach them about life and death..... well, death mainly 'cos they did little in life except sleep and miraculously produce dirty cages to clean out - or rather to argue about who would do the cleaning out. But it was the Chinchila that caused all the tears. A friend had one - I shudder at the memory. One of the scariest creatures I ever encountered. I mean.... I know they're probably lovely and everything but I took one look and.... well, there was no way I was having a potential gremlin in my house! I tried to explain - as I dragged the kids away, that if their tears fell on the unfortunate creature - well, all hell would break loose.

coldsuns	18 Mar 2003
~Animals Teaching~ Rat:Big hamster-looking with long long tail living in drain Mice/Mouse:Small rat(hamster-looking) with long long tail used by scientist Hamster(Dwarf or Syrian): Small fur animals with extreme short tails often as a pet. Guinea Pig: Big curve hairy animals with extreme short tail often as a pet. Chinchilla:Medium size fur animals with a nice tail. Very cute! A expensive animal as a pet to rear. Rabbit:Medium or Big fur animals with long ears short tail. **The animals on top with white fur usually have red eyes. (Except hamsters, almost all colour also red eyes)

Trogon	18 Mar 2003
Uhh... not to gross anyone out... but let's not forget that in some parts of South America... Pinney-Gigs (as my father likes to call Guinea Pigs) are used as food. Supposedly, they taste an awful lot like rabbit. :eek: As regards the original topic of this thread (which seems to be wandering wildly)... Yes, as noted by many others, you can do readings for yourself. And yes, it does take some practice (sometimes a lot of practice) to remain objective on your own readings. I've also noticed another problem for myself. If I do a lot of "daily" readings for myself, over a period of a few weeks, I tend to reach something of a burnout. I get to a point where the cards aren't making much sense. Sometimes changing to a different deck will help, but so far I've found the best remedy is to take a week or two away from daily readings. This "daily-reading-burnout" I occasionally hit (okay... only a couple of times so far... ;) ) does not seem to affect my ability to read for others, or to do readings for myself on bigger matters.

Diana	18 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Trogon Uhh... not to gross anyone out... but let's not forget that in some parts of South America... Pinney-Gigs (as my father likes to call Guinea Pigs) are used as food. Supposedly, they taste an awful lot like rabbit. :eek: Anyone ever eaten a bush-rat? Well, my advice is not to. I bet you Pinney-Gigs taste better. Of course, if one does a reading "Will someone eat my pinney-gig one day", then the answer may very likely be "no". If it turns out to be yes, then ask the Tarot who the culprit will be so you can stop him/her in time.

coldsuns	18 Mar 2003
Hehe! Diana, you're a joker~! Anyway i dont like to eat small animals except the poor chicky..=X Whenever i do Tarot-reading, i feel that the prediciton is fake. And i dont really trust what it says. Why?

Diana	18 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by coldsuns Whenever i do Tarot-reading, i feel that the prediciton is fake. And i dont really trust what it says. Why? Tarot tells you what you already really know. It reveals what your sub-conscious knows already. So perhaps you are lacking in self-confidence and in your trust in yourself and your ability to connect with your inner and higher self.

jlbvt	18 Mar 2003
Yes you can definitely read for yourself, but predictions are very hard to do, and in my opinion they take some psychic ability also. In order to get more familiar with Tarot, why don't you start out with a weekly or daily 3-card reading on something like, "what will I learn about myself today" or what obstacles will I encounter today" or something similar. It's like anything in life- you have to start at the beginning and learn the process before you can do the big stuff.

coldsuns	18 Mar 2003
jlbvt, i've a better idea of Tarot Deck learning now. I usually use a pyramid and ask questions like,"How will my life be tomorrow". Maybe i'm lack of confident..thanks for your advice ^_^

HudsonGray	18 Mar 2003
Oh! Coldsuns you're leaving the cards way too open. Ask instead things like--what do I need to be aware of, to watch out for, to pay more attention to, what is the best advice to remember for the day & what can I learn. This gives you a lot more info about the day than trying to read it from a row of cards that you won't usually be able to see the answer to fully till the day is over & you go back to check the meanings on again. Narrow the focus a tad, it makes things easier to understand on the daily reading. Hardest thing to do is to know how to ask, even with all the sample spreads I've got in my notebook, there's always something that's not covered in some reading I need to do. I end up laying an extra card down by the spread to bring everything into focus.

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