Old Astrology/Tarot

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 26 Mar 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

darkling235	26 Mar 2003
Does anyone know what astrological information was given to The Fool, Judgement, and The Hanged Man before we discovered the last three planets?

DeLani	26 Mar 2003
I believe they were given elemental values: The Fool was Air or ether, Judgement was fire, and the Hanged Man was water. I could be wrong, of course...

Astraea	26 Mar 2003
That is my understanding, too.

darkling235	26 Mar 2003
wait a sec, shouldn't there be 4 elements? We lost three of the old astrological signs but shouldn't there be one card devoted to earth? The obvious one would be the world and isn't that devoted to saturn?

Astraea	26 Mar 2003
Yes, the World was assigned to Earth and Saturn (both), as I understand it.

Rusty Neon	26 Mar 2003
This thread got me curious, so I looked up Papus. Papus skirted around the old planet vs. new planet issue by assigning a constellation to each of the 22 major arcana. He used the 12 zodiacal constellations plus 10 circumpolar constellations.

coldsuns	27 Mar 2003
How did they arrange it in this manners? I thought there are many many more planets other than the 9 main planets? Why arent the rest of the many many more planets used? ^_^

Ravenswing	27 Mar 2003
hi all-- the fool is associated with the Hebrew letter alph the hanged man is associated with the Hebrew letter mem judg(e)ment is associated with the Hebrew letter shin these three letter are called the mother letter and are associated with air, water and fire in that order. Thus the cards associations... Earth is sometimes dropped out because that's where we are viewing FROM. We don't observe our point of view... hope this makes some sense fly well Raven

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