did i mess that reading up myself?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 07 May 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

farstucker	07 May 2003
i don't know much about tarot, i use my Faeries Oracle more than i do my other two regular tarot decks. i've only done small, basic three card spreads for myself. awhile ago i did one spread for my friend, i had him shuffle and pick out the cards he wanted when i fanned them out for him. i made sure it was full of his energy so the reading would be focused on him and not me. he asked if his current girlfriend and he would be getting married. now, at the time, i hated this girl and didn't want him to get married to her at all. i wanted him for myself so i was a little worried that my negative energies would corrupt the reading. i tried to maintain them in myself and not let them blind me. the cards said undeniably yes, one card even said to go for it right then and not look back. i suppose i kept my feelings very well...but.. ..over a year later, maybe two, that girlfriend is gone and we're together and plan on getting married as soon as we can. a few obstacles stand in our way but he is very impatient about everything even though he knows it cant be done right now. so, was that reading influenced by my personal feelings for him? meaning, i placed myself in her position and it is now taking effect? he's not looking back, he's not letting anything else get in his way. i believe i have it written down in my journal somewhere i think i'll have another look at those cards again. i know i don't know much about tarot reading so maybe these are stupid questions.. my real questions are: was that reading influenced by my personal feelings for him? meaning, i placed myself in her position and it is now taking effect?

Indigo_lady	07 May 2003
I dunno if this is of any help In life there are certain things that all of us have to experience no matter what. These experiences might last for 2 hours, 2 days, 5 years, a lifetime.. or maybe it's just a thing of being in the right moment at the right time if only for 2 seconds We need to learn from those experiences, we need to help others learn from those experiences, whatever the circumstances are, everything is significant and for a reason And maybe back then they needed to be together and that is what u saw in the cards. I don't think u "influenced" the cards , though of course u know urself and ur actions better than anyone. This happening is of course possible and happens, but it seems u were in total honest disposition to help him at the moment and u did ur best and accepted the result. Think of it this way, maybe he's the one who seems to be in a rush or a need to get married, so he's desire to settle down is what came through in the cards, not necessarily the specific case of his old gf. And in ur case he might have found the one to do that with ;)

farstucker	08 May 2003
"In life there are certain things that all of us have to experience no matter what. These experiences might last for 2 hours, 2 days, 5 years, a lifetime.. or maybe it's just a thing of being in the right moment at the right time if only for 2 seconds" as i like to say, "argh! not another life lesson!!" :)

Marion	08 May 2003
Hi, I moved this post as this Forum is for posting readings and asking for interpretations. Since you are discussing a reading, I moved it to Talking Tarot. All the best. Marion

allibee	08 May 2003
HA ... although I shouldn't laugh .... I have been in EXACTLY that position of shall I/shouldn't I/what if :O) It wasn't funny for me at the time either BUT I decided to read what came, come what may. Regarding your question. The reading was for him and the other girl and was wholly connected to him and her at that particular point in time. It was his question, not yours. Don't worry. If it was referring to you and him, there would have been different cards with a different message. As you have already mentioned, life's lessons come very heavy handed sometimes :O) Allison www.tarotpeople.com

Alex	09 May 2003
isn't this an alternative explanation? It strikes me that people so often fail to admit that the cards may predict an outcome which fails to come to fruition. "How can the cards be wrong?". One in 1000 children are born with one extra chromossome 23. Sophisticated forecast machines fail to predict a tunderstorm 5% of the times. CA 30% of pregnancies end in a natural miscarriage before the 2nd month of gestation. Every day I deal with instrument reading errors, human errors, and natural errors. I'm so sorry to say that, but I don't believe "the cards don't lie" or "the cards are always right". As much as I don't believe I'm always right when I interepret cards. Mistakes are made. What to say? Not even Jesus Christ was perfect. Alex.

allibee	09 May 2003
Alex, I believe the original reading was for the question : will I (him) marry his girlfriend of the time. The answer was yes. So marry her he did. Where is the error in this? I don't think the Q was if I marry this girl will we divorce in two years. The answer was right for that moment in time. I don't think we'll agree on tarot cards not being right, LOL, but I think we can agree that interpretations can be wrong. The human error. However it seems the interp for the question at the time was correct. A.

Alex	09 May 2003
that they did not get married, I mean, the guy and that girlfriend. Alex.

allibee	09 May 2003
They didn't get married? *allibee books appointment for opticians*. My mistake then Alex. I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read I must not scan read Apologies then Alex :O) .."over a year later, maybe two, that girlfriend is gone"..... I assumed the girlfriend became the wife. However, the cards were for him and the girlfriend for THAT moment in time. .."undeniably yes, one card even said to go for it right then and not look back"...... Assuming they did not marry then, he gave free will a go and chose other than what the cards portrayed, all bets were off anyway. A change of mind changes everything. If he had asked the question a day, week, month, year before or later they may well have said something else. What I'm trying to get at here is that it was 'his' question about him and his then girlfriend and it was right for that point in time. Personally, I do not go with the theory that whatever the reader is thinking will come out in the sitter's cards. Readers would never be able to give a reading if that were the case, don't you think? A.

Alex	10 May 2003
long reccognized in psychoanalitic therory called "projection" that can account for some of it. I'm not speaking about the cards, but if I am tired, I tend to look at other people as if they were tired; if I'm depressed, I tend to see more of the dark side of life etc. There is no card that predicts "marriage". I can read "marriage" if a question regarding marriage has been asked but frankly, what combination of cards can you envision that would tell ya "yeah, these two are gonna marry..." I think there is something about the reader noticing some cards more often when reading for others, because such cards speak to the reader's present mental state. But what do I know. I rarely read for others, Alibee, may be you will be able to answer me that one. Cheers Alex. Quote: Originally posted by allibee Personally, I do not go with the theory that whatever the reader is thinking will come out in the sitter's cards. Readers would never be able to give a reading if that were the case, don't you think? A.

bighairymonster	11 May 2003
I'll try my hand at this. }) A Faery reading is no different from a regular tarot reading. It doesn't tell you the future - it merely tells of the POTENTIAL OUTCOME if the reader continues to go on his path. What HE makes of it is his mere free will. The reading may have said he'd get married with his gf. Fine, that's what it said. But the reading wouldn't have taken into account any exterior future change of circumstances that could/would happen.

michelley	11 May 2003
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ my real questions are: was that reading influenced by my personal feelings for him? meaning, i placed myself in her position and it is now taking effect? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello, are you wondering whether or not you created your own reality back when you introduced your friend to your cards? If this is what you meant by your question or not I am not sure... but yes, I think its entirely plausible. I do not want to go on about my ideas on this unless this is indeed what you meant. However, this gives a whole new dimension to loving yourself properly. - michelley

allibee	11 May 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Alex There is no card that predicts "marriage". I can read "marriage" if a question regarding marriage has been asked but frankly, what combination of cards can you envision that would tell ya "yeah, these two are gonna marry..." Well, these are Faery Oracle cards and altho I don't know them specifically, I can say that even with tarot cards, certain LWB's will state this card means marriage, this card means pregnancy, this card means surgery, etc, etc, drat those LWB's, LOL Quote: I think there is something about the reader noticing some cards more often when reading for others, because such cards speak to the reader's present mental state. That is also possible and entirely probable. Especially when we keep 'seeing' a certain card and have difficulty getting it's meaning. I've found that it refers to an aspect of ourselves that needs attention. Something we need to deal with. Like a nagging old lady, LOL.... "you know dear, you still haven't dealt with that issue of whether you are going to that meeting or not, can't keep putting it off forever, hoping that it will be cancelled......" etc, etc LOL A. And don't put yourself down Alex, you know lots!

Alex	11 May 2003
Alibee so the common problems of interacting with others and how to handle personal issues, I don't come across so often. One thing that I sometimes ask myself, when I read for others, is: "could this throw be my throw?" Very often the answer is "yes". Sometimes, after reading for another, I leave those cards up and read for myself, just changing the question. I think this helps mentally separate what is another's issue, what is mine. People who are really into reading for others could benefit, I think, from reading some books or attending workshops on counseling techniques. Just to learn weed out the most common problems of projecting one's reality into another's. Just a thought. As I said, I don't read "comercially" and not often anymore. Alex.

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