Not Good

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 15 Aug 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

mingbop	15 Aug 2003
i recently posted asking for advice on how to clean my cards. I started work in a new building, which is a bit "off"..and was getting all these bad readings, for everybody. So I took it that the building had bad energy, stopped taking the cards in, and cleaned them like I was told. This weekend....... 1 person I read for got told her cancer had come back ; another 3 people I read for are related & lost 3 famlily members when a drunk driver hit them head on. So its not the building. Trainee doctors are told "when you hear hoof beats, look for horses, not zebras"...I got it wrong, I think this time it was the zebras. Im gutted.

MeeWah	15 Aug 2003
Mingbop: Are ye saying ye found out your readings were accurate after all, despite possible interference at the location of the readings? Is it the content of the readings that disturb ye, your accuracy or both? Being accurate is what many readers strive for, albeit it may involve being a messenger of apparently dubious or bad news. Information in & of itself is not necessarily bad nor good though knowledge is a two-edged sword. Can appear to be as a "blessing" or a "curse" (I use the terms loosely). What has happened to your querents is indeed tragic but very unlikely as a direct result of your readings for them. If anything, perhaps the readings held warnings. Events that occur to any one individual are related to their lives & the pattern of same; may be subjected to a number of variables & influences but not due to readings per se. Some of those events may have been some time in their making--such as from a culmination of choices or some other factor.

mingbop	16 Aug 2003
meewah you're spot on. its both the content and the accuracy. ive read tarot for over 30 years but it still gets me when something like this happens. i thought it was the building and i wish it was. the 3 people who died were a navajo shaman --a brilliant medium and a very special person who was the father of my best friend, plus his wife and their granddaughter. that such special and good people can be snuffed out in an instant is always a shock, no matter how old they--or you--are !

Scorpion	16 Aug 2003
Hi, Mingbop! Very sorry to hear about your friends. However, MeeWah has made extremely valid points. None of this is the building's (or indeed your) fault. Sadly this sort of thing can happen to anybody. You just happened to pick it up in the cards. That's a gift - and gifts always come at a price. Unfortunately we can't always see positive things around people. You wrote "...it still gets me when something like this happens." To me, that's good: it means you don't take your gift lightly or for granted and are not complacent about it. For me, what matters is how one gets the message across. Maybe you were able to prepare your friends just a tiny bit for the hard times ahead, in which case you've done the best you can.

mingbop	16 Aug 2003
thank you for that. i thought it was the building because its not a happy place and also i got bad readings for everyone,; I didn't stop to think that there was something coming which would affect us all. However, these things happen in this life, and he, of all people, will know how to come back for us if we need him. But as Meewah says, you always get a moment of revulsion when you get something like this--thats the "curse" part isnt it. You are very wise people and I thank you for your comfort.Mary.

MeeWah	16 Aug 2003
(((Mingbop))) I am so sorry for your loss. Such multiple tragedies tend to defy *any* kind of explanation, especially when good people are involved. I canna begin to understand such events. Have foreseen stuff which impact me personally, various family members & friends. The number of occasions do not lessen the shock & never will. In part, I have learned to see them as warnings or preparations. There have been times I have had to remain silent--knowing there would be a lack of understanding & what I could impart would only create difficulties. It puts a new spin on living in the now, because *now is all one really has*. So every moment is precious; an opportunity to make the most of. & I try to remember to let those I love know that I love them, before 'tis too late. & I pray. Wow--over 30 years reading Tarot?! LouiQ has expressed it well, too.

mingbop	16 Aug 2003
wow--meaning "GOD !!HOW OLD IS SHE "!!!! I learned from an irish granny but I stopped for years and then found them again when my daughter got me a deck because she wanted to learn. .... she cant. she's a scorpio, and has NO PATIENCE !!

Scorpion	16 Aug 2003
Quote: Originally posted by mingbop she's a scorpio, and has NO PATIENCE !! She's a Scorp - she doesn't need it! Just get her a deck that talks to her - she won't have to LEARN!

punkangelgcm437	16 Aug 2003
Mingbop- I'm sorry to hear of your loss. But sometimes the accuracy of readings can truely freak you out. It always does me...and even tho my expirence is far less (around the 2 year mark), I can see things sometimes I don't wanna tell....I can't think of anyt great examples right now but one will come to me. (a few moments pause) Ah yes! In the "your readings" section...I have a celtic cross posted. And the 10 Swords came up as card 2 (immediate influence)...and turns out the other night Joe broke up with me. Now I wasn't THAT hurt but it was the only way the cards could get it thru my head. As for your Scorpio daughter....I'm sure she can learn. Wait til you get to know me, I'm an impatient AND indecisive Libra sun with an Aries moon and Sagittarius rising. If *I* can learn, I think ANYONE can. Heehee.

catti	16 Aug 2003
Quote: Originally posted by LouiQ She's a Scorp - she doesn't need it! Just get her a deck that talks to her - she won't have to LEARN! im a scorpio , i bought my own deck at 12 with piggy bank money ( it was a Morgan greer and i loved it) and at 17, (I thought i need more mature decks but i hated them) and so I gave away a thoth deck and promptly lost a Dali deck the same year because i had no patience with the the thoth imagery and Dali sticking his face/ "i am the worlds greatest artist" in every card! [it was as much my attitude problem as his ;-)] but the Tarot stayed with me and spoke to me. I used basic rws and bota version decks for the next 5 years, travelled around North +Central America giving out readings w/out a LWB. I just did it, put the story together the way i saw it. your daughter will get it if she wants too. As for what is happening around you , the difficult changes , and the oppressive environment...((((((Mary)))))) they say death is most difficult on the living, but there are really no words that can heal, only words that hopefully offer some consolation for now and the future. as for the work environment , i dont know how much you can change the environment so maybe you can change yourself? carry things that make you feel good or protected with you? take cleansing baths at night or as soon as you go home? just some suggestions best wishes catti

mingbop	16 Aug 2003
I m taking some wee crystals in my pockets to work--i cant change it, the problems in the building. its in edinburgh and its old. What i did was to start taking the cards in to use them to talk to the spirits and that worked ok on thurs night...i m not sure if its the right way to do things though. ! we'll soon see no doubt.

MeeWah	17 Aug 2003
Mingbop: Do not forget to ground, center & shield first!

mingbop	18 Aug 2003
ok i looked up my wee book and found i first got the bad readings 9 weeks ago, and another twice since then, At the same time I got for this friend a tall dark young man, troubled and moody, maybe depressed. I passed this on and nobody could get it,,,I heard just now this was the driver of the car who hit them...he was on drugs. Now if only I was good enough to have seen that little bit more... would it have helped ? I dont know .

MeeWah	18 Aug 2003
(((Mingbop))) There is oft no apparent rhyme nor reason for some things that may be seen prior to a traumatic event, but one thing is certain: one can go crazy with the *if onlys*, *what ifs*& all the rest of those speculations! There can be factors out of anyone's control in *any* reading. In this matter, there were at least two obvious factors: 1. The driver of the other car who caused the accident--one whom I take was a stranger or had no connection to the people whose lives he affected. 2. The people being where they were at a particular time. 3. & who knows what else! That ye saw as much as ye did is remarkable. It was not necessarily up to ye to act on the information given, but *for the one given*. Anything more could intrude into the free will of others as well as confer a mantle of control/responsibility on the self that is not appropriate within this finite life. Therein is an example of both the "blessing" & the "curse". One is not omnipotent, so please do not malign the self nor give away the personal power. I doubt "[seeing] that little bit more" would have helped. Ye saw what ye did & did what ye could: passed on the information. Many years ago, after some spontaneous readings (without cards) manifested unpleasantly, I stopped reading. A part of me understood I had no control over the possible outcomes; that readings usually describe the trends based on whatever was currently in effect & that there is free will involved. The emotional part however, was a wreck because I felt helpless. I had to reconcile the conflict before I could read again. I do not know that any of this is reassuring to ye; may raise more questions than answers. Perhaps it will help to know that others understand.

mingbop	19 Aug 2003
thanks meewah you are very wise. i know these things really, its just this was BAD and takes a wee while eh. but yes, it helps a lot to know others have been there. i hate to sound like a drama queen...i hate fuss. but this ..was the PITS. however.... pick yourself up and trudge onwards !!trudge..trudge..trudge...COLLAPSE !

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