The cards show how we feel VS what will be?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 16 Sep 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

M-Press	16 Sep 2003
I have been reading the threads about "how do the right cards show", as well as "Asking the same question more than once? ", and at the same time having some questions related to this... I have observed, that many times, what the cards tell me, is more how I feel about something, instead of what will be. As if my positive or negative attitude towards something, influences the cards... And then it's all wrong... So when I need advice, how do I know if i can trust? I have also been doing a-daily-card, for years, and those are always right... If a card comes more than once or more in a few days, than I pay attention even more to it. I certaily feel the "divination power" there... But when I do a whole spread? things get confused... And when I ask a question on top of a question (not the same question twice), things get even more complicated. As if several paths are introduced, depends on how I ask it? Anybody experiences a similar thing? (I don't want to become a non-believer!!!!)

Black dragon	16 Sep 2003
I don't know your exact situation but maybe you should try a readings where you don't care about whatever is going to happen, feel the feeling that comes around from that, then when you do a normal reading look at the card and if you are wanting something when you get the card and just spend some time on each card dwelling on the negative bits about the card. Sorry it's not a very clear answer if you don't understand feel free to question me about it.

M-Press	16 Sep 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Black dragon maybe you should try a readings where you don't care about whatever is going to happen Thank you Black dragon for the advice... I think it's a good one to start from... the rest I will try and understand as i go ;-) And I would like to add another aspect to my question, which I think is connected: Some cards, show to me who I am at a certain time, OR who will I encounter with. How do we know when we are about to become something, or when we are about to interact with someone like in the card? Once i did a nice spread, that one of the positions was "The way which you need to change" (from the Quest tarot). I got the Emperor. so, I have to become the Emperor (add more structure to my life), or break away from him? do you think this is the same question?

Kiama	16 Sep 2003
Black Dragon's given some excellent advice, but I'd also add that if you are unsure if your emotions and feelings are influencing the reading or your interpretation of it, you could grab a friend who also uses Tarot, and ask them to do you a reading on the same subject. You could do one for yourself, and then your friend could do one for you aswell, this way you can compare the answers, and you can work out how much your feelings are affecting the cards/the interpretation of the cards. Maybe you coudl also try improving your objectivity? Objectivity comes with practice, so only time will tell, but to quicken things up a little you could try meditation to clear your mind before you do a reading for yourself, or you could visualise a 'barrier' of some ostr between your feelings and the cards... Blessings, Kiama

Kiama	16 Sep 2003
Quote: Originally posted by M-Press Once i did a nice spread, that one of the positions was "The way which you need to change" (from the Quest tarot). I got the Emperor. so, I have to become the Emperor (add more structure to my life), or break away from him? do you think this is the same question? When I am unsure about a card like this, when there are two different possibilities for interpretation, I usually draw an extra couple of cards to confirm it either way. I'll just shuffle the remainder of the pack, asking 'what does this card mean?' and draw as many cards as needed (usually between 1 and 3.) These cards I then read in conjuction with the original, in this case the Emperor. For instance, if I got the Emperor and did a 'confirmation' spread and got Judgement, and the 6 of Swords, it woudl confirm to me that the interpretation that best fits the reading is that I have to break away from the Emperor. If, however, I got the 4 of Wands and Justice, I might go the other way and say I need to add more structure to my life. :D You also say: I woudl also do a confirmation reading for this, draw some extra cards if I am unsure. I have this problem most with the Court Cards, since they can represent either: People in the querent's life The querent themselves An attitude the querent needs to have An attitude the querent needs to get rid of An event in the querent's life An approach to the problem Often, by examining the surrounding cards and the querent's question, I can work out what the card means, but sometimes I need to do a confirmation spread to find out. If all else fails, I simply tell the querent what the possibilities of interpretation are for the card. Hope this helps! Kiama

M-Press	16 Sep 2003
Thank you, Thank you! :)

Inana	18 Sep 2003
Good advices here. And I appreciate it lots!! Sometimes I have the feeling that cards are showing my emotions and not a neutral reality. Guess its because one is caring to much on the subject or isnt relaxed enough. Calm down a bit is necesary before doing any reading.

M-Press	18 Sep 2003
This is because of the Scorpionic ingrediends, dearest Inana! (I think!) Isn't it all about control? We control the cards! Damn! :-)

Black dragon	18 Sep 2003
Scorpionic ingrediends???

M-Press	18 Sep 2003
I remembered from another thread (about our sun signs), that Inana is a fellow Scorp (like me)... So...i felt as if there is a similarity here, as we both stated that the cards show how we feel instead of the reality... and i'm wondering!

Kiama	18 Sep 2003
Maybe Scorpios aren't as good at staying objective and distancing themselves from the cards, though I think the same is true of Cancerians and Pisceans... Maybe Librans are better at it, since they are the sign of the scales and might be a little more objective? Kiama

Inana	19 Sep 2003
Quote: Originally posted by M-Press This is because of the Scorpionic ingrediends, dearest Inana! (I think!) Isn't it all about control? We control the cards! Damn! :-) Yeah! We control the universe... :P (cough cough) Maybe Kiama is correct saying for some people is more difficult to take distances from the cards. To me is difficult to take distance from my own feelings. Thats why I was saying is needed to calm down before a reading, otherwise my head shuffles thoughts faster than my hands the cards.

Black dragon	20 Sep 2003
Well i agree that scopio's must control the universe, yah scopio's. Black Dragon

M-Press	20 Sep 2003
Oh-la-la!!!!1 scorpios controlling the universe,-even as one, i get scared from hearing this!!!!! Actually, i htink that scorpios are often afraid by their own power! and this must be the power that "chooses the cards"... everytime i change my attitude about something, the cards change too... how's that????!!!!! i think though, that regarding those Scorponic ingrediends, that it's not so about "not being calm enough" or "detached" or "objective enough". It's that kind of DETERMINATION (and I always point the difference between that word and stubborness), that can actually change fate!!! what do you think? So, although I would agree with Kiama, about the ability of some signs to stay objective, BUT then again, the masters of control, must know the craft!!! ??? Mercury if finally finding his path again, and i'm catching up with my own brain!! Anybody noticed if that affects the cards too? maybe they are "mixed up "too????

Inana	22 Sep 2003
Quote: Originally posted by M-Press i think though, that regarding those Scorponic ingrediends, that it's not so about "not being calm enough" or "detached" or "objective enough". It's that kind of DETERMINATION (and I always point the difference between that word and stubborness), that can actually change fate!!! what do you think? For sure determination can change the cards. With our attitude we can change the future or at least the way we expect it to be, so it has to reflect in the cards too i guess. Too bad that sometimes seems to be just a reflection of our minds. We must let the cards speak and stop to control them!! ;)

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