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Variety in Suit names for the Four Suits

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 01 Dec 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.



Rusty Neon  01 Dec 2003 
I enjoy seeing the variety of suit names in English usage from various decks and traditions.

Feel free to add to this list, as this is meant to be just a quick start.

Rods: Fire, Wands, Batons, Staves, Torches, Sceptres, Clubs (or Spades)

Cups: Water, Chalices, Vessels, Hearts

Swords: Air, Pikes, Épées, Spears, Spades (or Clubs)

Coins: Earth, Disks, Deniers, Pentacles, Loaves, Diamonds

(I mention the French names only where they seem to have become integrated into English usage.) 


Kyrielle  01 Dec 2003 
Coins: Vesicas (Glastonbury Tarot)

It seems to me I have seen Cauldrons as the Cups suit, but I can't recall which deck.

-- Kyrielle 


Diana  02 Dec 2003 
Feathers (for air, I think).

And Pumpkins (for crying out aloud).

Somewhere there are birds (I think it's Rachel Pollack's deck). Probably air as well, seeing as they fly.

And in the Crystal Tarot, they call the Cups "Chalices" in English. But they use the normal word in their other four languages that they love to put on some of their decks. (Just in case people can't recognise what a Cup is, or a Sword... I mean, some people are not so bright so it's probably helpful for them.) 


jmd  02 Dec 2003 
Since Rusty Neon has also included an elemental attribution, I'll also post the others which have been attributed to the suits in various decks and books:

Bastons: Air, Water, Earth;
Cups: Fire, Air, Earth;
Deniers/Coins: Fire, Air, Water;
Espee/Swords: Fire, Water, Earth.

Of course, we each have our preferred attributions :)

I've also tried to give one of the common alternative spelling of the suit where I could - for the sake of adding to the list. 


Jewel-ry  02 Dec 2003 
I think its Arrows for fire in the Vision Quest.

J :) 


galadrial  02 Dec 2003 
From the Buckland Romani:

Bolers (Wheels)
Koros (Cups)
Koshes (Wands)
Chivs (Knives)

From the Celtic Wisdom:

Battle = (Swords)
Skill= (Wands)
Art =(Cups)
Knowledge= (Pentacles) 


Chronata  02 Dec 2003 
This is from the deck that I am creating!

Cups=Glass (water)
Wands=Light (fire)
Swords=Blades (air)
Pentacles=Jewels (Earth)

I know it's a little wacky, but this was how I decided my minors would be about 16 years ago, and I have stuck with it because the images and elemental ideas are so strong for me!

This is the first time I have shared this with anyone! 


Majecot  02 Dec 2003 
Coins: Shields and Stones

Legends Wand suit is Spears

Chronata I like your idea for suits.. very inovative, do you have a preview? 


TemperanceAngel  02 Dec 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by Chronata
This is the first time I have shared this with anyone!


Thank you for doing so, your deck sounds beautiful :D.
XTAX 


Diana  02 Dec 2003 
Chronata: wonderful elements indeed. I look forward to seeing the finished deck. :) 


Nevada  02 Dec 2003 
Voyager Tarot:
Cups
Wands
Crystals
Worlds

Tarot of the Old Path:
Cauldrons
Rods
Swords
Pentacles


Nevada 


LadyMedusa  02 Dec 2003 
I can add these


The Native American has

Blades = Swords
Pipes = Wands
Vessels = Cups
Sheilds = Pents

The Greenwood has

Arrows = Swords
Stones = Pents

LadyMedusa 


Rusty Neon  02 Dec 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by jmd
Since Rusty Neon has also included an elemental attribution, I'll also post the others which have been attributed to the suits in various decks and books:

....

Of course, we each have our preferred attributions :)


Actually, the Fire, Water, Air and Earth that I mentioned were intended as suit names, not merely elemental attributions, e.g., as in the Elemental Tarot by Smith/Astrop.

The Elemental Tarot calls its four suits Fire, Water, Air and Earth (matching the GD elemental correspondences to Wands, Cups, Swords and Disks).

The Tarot of the Spirits calls its four suits Fire, Water, Wind and Earth.

The Osho Zen Tarot calls its four suits Fire, Water, Clouds and Rainbows.

Can anyone recall any other decks with element-based suit names? 


Rusty Neon  02 Dec 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by galadrial

From the Celtic Wisdom:

Battle = (Swords)
Skill= (Wands)
Art =(Cups)
Knowledge= (Pentacles)


In a similar vein, the Blake Tarot of the Creative Imagination has as its four suits

Painting (= Pentacles)
Science (= Swords)
Music (= Cups)
Poetry (= Wands)

http://www.tarotpassages.com/blake.htm 


jmd  03 Dec 2003 
Rusty Neon mentions that the element names (Fire, Air, Water and Earth) mentioned 'were intended as suit names, not merely elemental attributions'.

Thank you for this... and I stand corrected :) 


paradoxx  05 Dec 2003 
The Faery Wicca deck uses some interesting names

Swords-Aer
Wands are Tine (pronounce Chin)
cups are Uisce (pronouced Ish-key)
pentacles are Domhan (pronouned daw-ain) 


Rusty Neon  05 Dec 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by paradoxx
The Faery Wicca deck uses some interesting names

Swords-Aer
Wands are Tine (pronounce Chin)
cups are Uisce (pronouced Ish-key)
pentacles are Domhan (pronouned daw-ain)


Hi paradoxx ... What do those names mean? 


paradoxx  14 Dec 2003 
aer=air/sky
tine=fire
uisce=water
domhan=earth/world

not only taht, but the court cards are renamed too

ainnir (awn-ear)is maiden or page
ridere (Rye-deer)is knight
Ard Ri (Rd-ree) is High King
Banrion (Bawn-ree-on) is High Queen 


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