Spirituality and Tarot...

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 01 Jan 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

crazydeka	01 Jan 2004
Right now I am really confused about what I believe... I have no faith in God left in me... I don't believe in God, but if there is a God a sure hate him. I am catholic, but I have lost my faith for almost 4 years now. I wanted to know if spirituality is a real big deal when dealing with tarot. Do I need to believe in God... Are you guys spiritually driven when it comes with reading the cards?

cricket	01 Jan 2004
I don't think so, no. It took me quite a few years to find my path through this whole mess, and did tarot readings off and on in the midst of that confusion. As long as you can get in touch with your intuitive side you should be just fine.

skytwig	01 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by crazydeka Right now I am really confused about what I believe... I have no faith in God left in me... I don't believe in God, but if there is a God a sure hate him. Pick a Her or an It and find what is in your heart....... Tarot can be a path to finding Truth, not religion....... :)

Le_Corsair	01 Jan 2004
This is one of those questions that makes me regret that the Spirituality forum is subscriber-only. I hope your thread doesn't get moved, crazydeka. I, too, am a former Catholic. I consider myself to be an agnostic now. I hope that there is more to existence than the years I spend on Earth, and I also hope that any existence I have beyond my years on Earth is pleasant. More than that I cannot ask. For me, being agnostic means living in a perpetual state of hope, just as the believer lives in the perpetual state of faith. I don't think that faith is superior to hope, or vice-versa. I simply believe that no one really knows what happens to them after death until they are dead, and that there are no guarantees even then. It may be, because of my fundamental state of doubt, that tarot won't work for me as well as someone else. Here at Aeclectic you will find all sorts of people, and a myriad of answers to your question. If all you are asking is whether belief is necessary to make tarot "work," as if belief is the ignition key to the tarot car, then I would say no. It sounds as if you have had an unhappy experience with the Catholic church. That doesn't mean that atheism is the only alternative answer. When deciding which spiritual path to follow, it helps to know what you are looking for. Some of the questions you might ask in your quest include: How did the universe come to be? Was there anything before the universe? What happens to us after death? Can you offer proof? Is there a creator of all things? What form does this creator take? Is this creator omniscient (all-knowing) and omnipotent (all-powerful) and eternal? What proof can you offer? Good luck in your quest. Bob :THERM

Umbrae	02 Jan 2004
Spiritual yes. Religious no.

jmd	02 Jan 2004
Personally, I think it is healthy to go through a Dark Night of the Soul with regards to one's spiritual and religious beliefs - it is the unquestioning person who does not, in my opinion, reach Spiritual heights. Even within the Catholic Church, some if its giants are those who questioned and even rejected, at some stage, its dogma. With regards to 'if there is a God, [you] sure hate him', and to add to the questions which have been asked above, is it in fact the case? Or is it more that the feelings of animosity are towards the caricature which has been painted and fed... In terms of using the Tarot, one may have various beliefs - beliefs which may be quite religious, or sceptical; some amongst us may indeed walk their personal spiritual paths quite unlike others... There are members here who are professed atheists and physicalists, whereas others are quite at ease with considering general - and physical - questions from spiritual perspectives. Using the Tarot, I suspect, may turn you towards spiritual views, given your post. Irrespective, honesty to your open investigation and usage of Tarot and other tools, sacraments, and mythic imaginations is highly worthwhile. As to where I stand - I personally view the whole world as but one aspect of Spiritual manifestation.

fairyhedgehog	02 Jan 2004
No, you don't need to believe in God to enjoy Tarot cards. I am one of the atheist physicalists that jmd mentions (thank you for that word, jmd, sounds nicer than 'materialist' :) ) I see Tarot as being a psychological tool, rather than a spiritual one because I don't believe in anything non-physical at all. And I can use it and enjoy it on that basis. I will occasionally use the word 'spiritual' but by that I mean 'the thoughts and feelings that other people call spiritual and that I believe to be psychological but I haven't got a better word for them.' It seems to cover things like intuition, feelings of awe and oneness with nature, love for other people, etc. 'Spirituality' in that sense is pretty useful for Tarot, I think. It sounds as if you've had a rough time and feel let down by God and I do sympathise with that. A website I've found helpful is the Walking Away site. With all good wishes, fh

wavebreaker	02 Jan 2004
I only know very few tarot readers who are genuinely spiritually driven.

Moongold	02 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by wavebreaker I only know very few tarot readers who are genuinely spiritually driven. With respect, how can one possibly know that about another person with any degree of certainty? Moongold

Mimers	02 Jan 2004
Hi Crazydeka, I don't think you need to believe in God to read Tarot. Not at all. I use them as a personal spiritual tool, but as Fairyhedgehog said they are very affective from a psychological standpoint as well. You do have to believe in yourself, though. Mimi

allibee	02 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Umbrae Spiritual yes. Religious no. Ditto

Tallarico	02 Jan 2004
(((Crazydecka))), I hated god too, (the god that is portrayed by pentecostal born agains, atleast for me) for about 2-3 years. One day a thought popped in my head, hating god is hating myself. The thought didn't make sense to me, but somehow I figured it to be true. That thought gave me peace. I don't hate god now, I don't know who or what god is. I wonder, do I really need to know.

Astraea	02 Jan 2004
I don't know where this quote comes from, but I have a favorite lapel button which reads: "Religion is for people who believe in hell. Spirituality is for people who have been there." I think that speaks volumes! Spirituality, to me, is an evolving relationship with one's inner world, one's deepest identity. It is not dependent on particular beliefs, though belief systems can be useful contexts for many people. And it is absolutely unnecessary, in my view, to believe in God -- a concept having as many meanings as there are people -- in order to read tarot. Love, and the intention to be helpful which flows from that point, are much more important than adherence to systems and beliefs, which so often (quoting William James) boil down to "faith in someone else's faith."

Dark_angel	02 Jan 2004
I have never been a religious person, but I do consider myself to be spiritual. I don't subscribe to the idea that you have to 'belong' to a religious order to be a good person, which is the prevailing opinion where I live. I don't think you need religion to be a tarot reader - I hope you don't or I'm in trouble! All I feel is needed is open-mindedness, and intuition.

Diana	02 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by wavebreaker I only know very few tarot readers who are genuinely spiritually driven. I think I know where you're coming from here wavebreaker. But if I am wrong, don't hesitate to tell me that I'm barking up the wrong tree (woof woof!) The word "spirituality" has become such a bandied about term that it often doesn't seem to mean anything anymore. People talk about "spiritual values", when often they are just plain common sense. Spirituality is often just an excuse not to get on with one's life. Everything seems to be "spiritual" these days. It gets kind of boring after a while. It's like a fashion fad - and it has become very commercial as well - the amount of Spiritual books that are published every week is phenomenal (the majority of them are rather useless). I swear that if I was not such a lazy person, I would have got into the whole "Spirituality"commercial thing a long time ago, and I could be nice and rich by now. I even have the title of my book in my head. Just have to find a nice alias for my name..... how about Artemis Moon? No, one doesn't need to be spiritual to read Tarot. One just has to be a human being who is able to put two and two together. And you are human, aren't you, crazydecka? And you know that two and two make four, right? Well then, you're on your way..... (A very warm welcome to Aeclectic to you :) ). As to hating God - well, you certainly seem to hate the one who you were lumped with. Just toss that one in the nearest trashcan and go for a nice walk and listen to the birds sing!!!!!

Tallarico	02 Jan 2004
As to hating God - well, you certainly seem to hate the one who you were lumped with. Just toss that one in the nearest trashcan and go for a nice walk and listen to the birds sing!!!!! What a great idea!;)

Majecot	02 Jan 2004
I am spiritual.. but not "religious". I do believe in a higher power, God, and Christ. I do not believe in the so called religious practices of the masses.. I was raised in a Baptist church, and while my mother was very religious, my stepfather was struggling because he had lost faith in the Roman Catholic Church, so a good part of my childhood was spent "church hopping". I think that experience gave me a more rounded way of looking at things than what my parents had. And, much to the dismay of my parents, I have never felt that one needed to have organized religion to be in touch with their God. I have always refused to go to church, other than for weddings, baptisims and funerals. I despise the acts of persecution that I see preformed by so called Christians against people that dare to be different. I think that spirituality comes from within.

ros	02 Jan 2004
For me learning the tarot cards brought me closer to being spiritual. I try to learn the positive in all the cards which brings you closer to the lighter things in life. I feel lifting your burdens through understanding the other side of your issues is being spiritual.If you do this with tarot so do it. Everyone has their own way. Also I feel religion is man made being spiritual anyway is something we do on our own. We do not have to been seen at church or with church people to be spiritual. Something like this anyway.

crazydeka	02 Jan 2004
Well I did not imagine the amount of answers that was going to pop up out of this question... well maybe I did. lol But I need to read carefully your answers... I am in a hurry right now... I just wanted to let you know that I have read your answers...

skytwig	02 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by jmd Personally, I think it is healthy to go through a Dark Night of the Soul with regards to one's spiritual and religious beliefs - it is the unquestioning person who does not, in my opinion, reach Spiritual heights. So very, very true..... Free Will is the ability to question..... I would hate to be alive without choice.... that is just slavery! Alot of good, good info here, crazydeka! :)

Indigo Rose	02 Jan 2004
Hi Crazydeka. I am sorry for the spiritual struggles you are experiencing, but I can truly understand the disillusionment with the Church and God as you have known him through the church. I am a Christian with belief in GOD and Jesus as the Christ. However, I second what Majecoat has said about having disdain for the abuses against humanity in the "name of God and Christ". My belief: GOD is LOVE, Jesus came to build a BRIDGE for us to GOD's love and radiate that out to humanity. The oppression, the bigotry, the hatred, the lies, the abuse all come from the enemy of GOD and HE cleverly hides behind the church. We need no building or political hierarchy to find fellowship with a LOVING GOD, we just need to believe in LOVE and the POWER IT possesses, and LIVE a life DEDICATED to spreading as much love as we can. To answer your question on spirituality as a prerequiste: NO. Clearly there are those who's lives are enriched by Tarot and are quite successful with Tarot, despite not having a "spiritual" life. However, there are those of us who can not seperate spirituality from Tarot. My personal journey in Tarot is one that connects me deeper with my God, and I feel enlightened spiritually. There is a scripture that I have found a blessing to me in my journey. Matt. 7:7-8 (words of Christ): Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened." Blessings to YOU as you seek. Indigo Rose

wavebreaker	02 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Moongold With respect, how can one possibly know that about another person with any degree of certainty? Nothing is certain in life, but if someone only talks spiritually but doesn't act it, I know enough. And I've seen too much of that...

wavebreaker	02 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Diana The word "spirituality" has become such a bandied about term that it often doesn't seem to mean anything anymore. People talk about "spiritual values", when often they are just plain common sense. Spirituality is often just an excuse not to get on with one's life. You're barking up the same tree as I do (which means we can bark together! ;) ), this pretty much sums it up. When I think of this kind of "spirituality", a song by Talk Talk comes to mind: All you do to me is talk Talk talk talk talk talk

crazydeka	02 Jan 2004
I never agreed with the thought of organized religion. It's hard to feel spiritual when you have to follow rules. The Catholic Church that I used to go every now and then back in Brazil was not that strict something that was good. So it was not because of religion, the reason why I stopped believing in God. The reason was rather selfish if you ask me... but well that did it to me. I asked God one day, when I was struggling at school and with normal stuff in life, to "HELP" me be a "BETTER" person. Nothing happened. Little by little I started to loose my faith after that. After all it was not a big thing... I just wanted to be a better person. I still want to be a better person. The real reason why I hate god came about when I moved to the U.S. (my mom got married to an American guy, so me and my mom moved here) God has been punishing me. I used to say that I hated my life back then... Today I would give everything to have it back. Well in the end is all up to me to help myself being a better person. Nobody else can help.

crazydeka	02 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Majecot I despise the acts of persecution that I see preformed by so called Christians against people that dare to be different. I think that spirituality comes from within. I have seen that, and it makes me sick... I went with a friend to church with him and I felt like crap. They said a lot of stuff about people that is not Christian that I did not agree with. It seemed that the whole mass they talked about hating non-christians and how they don't deserve heaven... It was just ridiculous.

Macavity	02 Jan 2004
Looking around the web, I came across this link. http://www.nctimes.net/news/2002/20020620/72148.html It might not be to everyone's taste - particularly those who prefer spirituality over religion? :P It does nevertheless highlight some persistant worries I have had about the inward-looking nature of today's spirituality. e.g. Moreover, this directed faith [religion] is almost invariably combined with a host of specific obligations toward other people. I think it is this obligation to others what I found rather lacking with my own experiences with (loosely) organised spirituality. Now, if only I could crack my instinctive worries over (the word!) religion? I feel too a lot of "spirituality" these days is very religious in practice too? Almost "out-fundin the fundies"? :laugh: I sense that (in the UK anyway) previous generations worried less. They just "went to church" and had a good time later at church "socials". I envy them that? I'm sure there were arguments over who "did the flowers for Sunday" etc.? But I don't remember seeing all the angst over who was doing IT right or wrong? ;) Macavity

Keslynn	02 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by crazydeka God has been punishing me. I used to say that I hated my life back then... Today I would give everything to have it back. Hi crazydeka, Even when really bad things are happening to you, I've still found that there are little mercies in every day that keep me from really going over the edge. Just when I think I'll lose it if one more thing goes wrong, my cat will come curl up on my lap and purr, and I know she loves me. Or a friend will call out of the blue. Or a bird will sing outside my window. I really feel like this is the presense of a god more than any of the bad things raining down on you. Find those moments; look for them. I also think that tarot is one of those gifts. In a tough situation, tarot is a useful tool to help a person gain perspective or give them a little nudge on the path to making things better. Even the cycle of the major arcana shows us that there are very dark times, but you emerge from them renewed and blessed with a new lease on life. True love is always so much sweeter after you've experienced how it can be used to manipulate and hurt. At least that's what I've experienced. In that way, I do feel that tarot is a spiritual thing, but it is a tool and can be used in any way you'd like. :) Kes

Diana	03 Jan 2004
Macavity: I hope a lot of people read that article..... As to responsibility towards others: I remember some time back I wrote something in a post (or was it a thread I started) about Tarot in a similar vein as what the author of the article says about Spirituality. Tarot is too often about "me" and not enough about the World that surrounds us and which we LIVE in. We get stuck in a rut and end up by chasing one's tail (to take the same example as in the article.) Tarot becomes a form of Belly-Button Gazing.

allibee	03 Jan 2004
Spirituality (and indeed tarot) is subjective ... as our differing opinions here prove IMHO it comes from within, and therefore gazing at ones belly button is a good place to start :)

fairyhedgehog	03 Jan 2004
The thing about navel-gazing, or self-indulgence, is that sometimes we need it. After a really heavy term of school counselling, coping with everyone else's feelings and having to be the strong one who could manage, I've really needed the two week's complete self-indulgence of this holiday. In the same way, navel-gazing type spirituality can replenish us enough that we have something to give to other people. If we don't look after ourselves, no one else can do it for us, and we risk either burning out or drying up. It's really a question of balance: looking after ourselves in the way that only we can do. But not neglecting to be there for others too. I can't say that I've found organised religion necessary to make me want to look after other people, though. In my view, most people use their religion to justify the kind of lifestyle they'd have gone for anyway, although I don't think most people are aware of this.

wavebreaker	03 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by fairyhedgehog It's really a question of balance: looking after ourselves in the way that only we can do. But not neglecting to be there for others too. I agree. Balance is important in everything. I also think that true spirituality comes from within. I don't think there's any spirituality at all in people following religions or self-proclaimed gurus that tell people what to think and how to act. One has to be able to think for themselves and take responsibilitiy for their own life and actions.

crazydeka	03 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Keslynn Hi crazydeka, Even when really bad things are happening to you, I've still found that there are little mercies in every day that keep me from really going over the edge. Just when I think I'll lose it if one more thing goes wrong, my cat will come curl up on my lap and purr, and I know she loves me. Or a friend will call out of the blue. Or a bird will sing outside my window. I really feel like this is the presense of a god more than any of the bad things raining down on you. Find those moments; look for them. I also think that tarot is one of those gifts. In a tough situation, tarot is a useful tool to help a person gain perspective or give them a little nudge on the path to making things better. Even the cycle of the major arcana shows us that there are very dark times, but you emerge from them renewed and blessed with a new lease on life. True love is always so much sweeter after you've experienced how it can be used to manipulate and hurt. At least that's what I've experienced. In that way, I do feel that tarot is a spiritual thing, but it is a tool and can be used in any way you'd like. :) Kes I really tried to focus on the good things. I still try, but the situation is more complicated than you think. I am not one more teenager agry with the world. Things are really bad for me. I could go on and on about my problems, but this is not the place. Thanks... everyone for the support and your answers... It really answered my question, and the web sites were good.

firestorm	03 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Umbrae Spiritual yes. Religious no. I like Umbrae's take on this. To me, being religious is blindly following rules others have laid down without questioning them. Being spiritual is respecting and taking care of the part of us that is not physical. It seems to me that reading Tarot has at least a little ;) to do with our spiritual selves.

Moongold	03 Jan 2004
I was looking on the web for some other information about the correspondences between Jungian functions of the personality and Tarot when I found this in an article: http://www.chibardun.net/~ezecker/page10.html It explains very well what I first found in Tarot and one of the reasons why I still use Tarot. It might add something to these discussions. Quote: from Ellie Zecker Jung placed strong emphasis upon spiritual values, and believed that the yearning to understand the meaning of existence and purpose was the most basic of human instinctual drives __ as witnessed in the primordial images of the collective or "racial unconscious," and as represented in ancient mythologies and almost every religion. The current cultural emphasis on immediate gratification and material success would seem to deny this basic inner need. When this occurs, an attempt to compensate results in maladaptive behaviors and social decay. We can witness this through epidemics of crime and drug addiction. According to Jung, "the unconscious and the conscious exist in a profound state of interdependence of each other and the well-being of one is impossible without the well-being of the other." This would indicate that sick behavior on the conscious level is mirrored by a sick unconscious. In our search for well-being there is a tendency to search outside ourselves for answers. We are bombarded with media information and popular opinion that cannot be effectively integrated, resulting in a sense of alienation and hopelessness in many. Our inability to resolve epidemic social problems also results in generalized feelings of impotence. Dynamic evolution and cultural growth will occur only when individuals evolve through inner growth, that can be achieved through a step-by-step procedure similar to Jung's "individuation" process and "transcendent function." Exploring the unconscious is necessary for this to occur, requiring a special approach designed to safely elicit repressed material In relation to the last sentence in that quotation, I see this material as shadow, and tarot does give me significant insight here. Moongold

Kachua	03 Jan 2004
I don't think it's important to be within a unified religion in order to accurately read and enjoy Tarot, but I do think being sure of your beliefs and being happy with your perception of life would highly improve your reading experience. This is merely my view on things so don't take it to heart. When you get a negative reading it can really tear you apart when you're depressed--"Why is the world so against me, why won't anything ever go right for me?" It's particularly difficult as a teenager when your emotions are completely haywire. And when you get a good reading, you honestly begin to doubt if it's really true--if happiness isn't restored immediately, you feel like it never will be, and you believe that your reading is completely off and you'll always be miserable. The way you see your readings really depends on your attitude. You have to be brutally honest with yourself. Believe me, I always berate myself for not being as good as I should be, or as I truly want to be, and when I remember what I was in the past I begin to wonder what it is that changed and why I can't be that person again. The fact is, I don't think you _can_ change who you really are at heart, but I think you can change the way you see things and how you react to them. If you're going to be using Tarot now at a point in you're life where you're feeling a lot of loss, definitely use them as a tool to find out how to see things around you from a better perspective. I think you'll find, if you begin to see things in another light, you won't feel such a need to change who you are.

Alex	04 Jan 2004
I felt like that throughout my childhood and early adolescence. When I was about 5, I recall throwing my toys up on the ceiling and telling God how much of an ass@ole he is, letting my mom be so downward abusive towards me. Yet when my ex-husband was trying to kill himself I found myself praying for God to preserve his life. Go figure. It has been years that i don't give the idea of a God a thought. If God exists, I don't hate him anymore, but I figure, my chances of going to heaven are pretty mild given my sinful past :) I don't believe it's important to have a faith in order to read cards. A faith that stresses on the importance of accepting changes and detaching from material life would do better with the Tarot, and with life in general, as I see it. Alex. Quote: Originally posted by crazydeka I don't believe in God, but if there is a God a sure hate him.

Alex	04 Jan 2004
Ah, you're from Brasil. I have noticed you write it with an "s" rather than a "z", what makes me believe that you are realy Brasilian. So am I, too. I'm from Rio de Janeiro. Where're you from? Alex. Quote: Originally posted by crazydeka The real reason why I hate god came about when I moved to the U.S. (my mom got married to an American guy, so me and my mom moved here) God has been punishing me. I used to say that I hated my life back then... Today I would give everything to have it back.

galadrielsphial	04 Jan 2004
I have had a lot of questions about religion/faith/belief in God/etc. for many years (and I'm only a month shy of 23!). I hope there is a reason for everything but wouldn't be surprised if there isn't. I just want to make the most of the time I've got, and that when the lights go out, I have more satisfactions than regrets. The past year has been a pretty crappy one for me, and I didn't try to look to an outward source for answers. I instead said to myself "Okay, all these things are happening that I have no control over, but I CAN control how I react to them and how I let them affect me." And sometimes I even believed it. ;) My questionings and confusions haven't impacted how I work with tarot because I see it as a way for me to get in touch with my subconscious and help me to be absolutely honest with myself. It shows me the kind of person I am, warts and all, and if I'm lucky, gives me a sort of road map that I can use as a guide towards the kind of person I'd like to be.

Nevada	04 Jan 2004
Le Corsair asks good questions, and one might add: Is there a unifying force in the universe that connects all beings, all matter? That is what I call Spirit, but quantum physicists call it something else. Is it physical? We usually don't define spirit as physical, but that's (IMO) simply because we don't know of a way to detect it, prove it, measure it, or name it on the plane we think of as physical. But is it real? Most science isn't based on spiritualilty, but it is often based on theory derived from a logical assessment of known facts. So what is spirit, and what is spiritual? Religion itself is usually but a grand theory. The difference is that scientists make a concerted attempt to prove and measure their theories, while religionists rely on personal experience, scriptures, ritual, and faith. I don't think of God in the same terms I did when I was a Christian, but the spiritual force I believe in now is the same entity or force that I called God back then. To answer your question (finally), no. I don't think you must be religious or spiritual to read Tarot, to enjoy it or be "good" at it. It's a tool that allows us to reach beyond ourselves into that unknown--whatever we call it. ;) I feel more comfortable exploring and questioning the unknown than I do in pinning it down with set beliefs or names. The names I give it are usually simply a means of communication. Nevada

M-Press	04 Jan 2004
Hi! I wish I have discovered this thread earlier... it made me think: What IS religion and what IS spiritual? Personally, i have no problem with either of them... Religion puts a structure towards a path. This is what I see the Hierophant doing... providing the framework (following a tradition) for spiritual practice. For some people this fits them-for others it doesn't, and it is then that this conflict rises. It is then that someone might feel that they "hate God". What I like about the path of free spirituality, is that there is something universal about it. Our bloods and our skins, are all made of the same human materials, wherever we come from, and wherever we go. Religious, agnostic, spiritual, and all the rest, we all live in the same planet. The important thing is to feel comfortable with one's choices, and when they don't work out, to change them... I'm Jewish, and whether this is a religion or something else, i don't know, but I identify with it, because this is where I come from, and I respect my "house". I celebrate the holidays, but nothing more that that, becasue I do Tarot and astrology all the rest of the time! I take from each place what works for me, and helps me in my personal growth and evolution. I don't know whether I believe in God, and I don't even know if that's the word that I would use. But i know that I BELIEVE in SOMETHING, and that has to do with my home, my religion, my history, my astrological chart, and the way the same cards keep coming up... Someone asked me "Do you believe in the cards"? and i heard myself saying: "The cards are paper-and are a tool for awareness. Sometimes i get it, and sometimes i don't. It's how i communicate with myself that day. Sometimes i just don't understand the big picture, and sometimes i do! :)

WolfSpirit	04 Jan 2004
Nevada - just love the post you made. You put to words what I could not find the words for. :)

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