a question for veterans! what did u change?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 21 Feb 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

estroncios	21 Feb 2004
well i started reading tarot about half year ago and i consider my self a begginer yet cos many of u did it during all the life so my question is what did u change in your readings when u got more experience...confused? for example, what kinds of mistakes u done and u dont do anymore, what kind of concepts u created? it would help us (the begginers) a lot cos knowing bout your experience we dont need to commite the same mistakes or misconceptions iam asking this cos i already changed many concepts of my readings, well i know that during all this years u changed many things so let me change the question a bit...what about tell me what is the main change that u did in your readings when u got more experienced? cya ;)

cartarum	21 Feb 2004
hello, truly, the question you ask though thoughtfull is definitely a question that a person new on the journey would ask. the problem is that we cant really answer that question. why? because you MUST learn at the pace that only you can set. if you are "fast forwarded" then the results could be disasterous. trust me, in time you will understand. just learn as much about the cards themselves as possible and leave it to fate.

Centaur	21 Feb 2004
Hi Estroncios, I wouldn't consider myself to be a veteran ;), but I think that as with any new learning venture, the process is one which takes time. I have been studying tarot for a few years now, and I feel that the learning process is ongoing. I think this is one of the great things about tarot: there is always a new perspective to learn, a new deck to study, or a new slant on tarot-symbolism, etc. I feel that with each day of learning, my tarot-knowledge grows and develops, connecting and merging with my own personal approach. It is very much a dynamic process. I think I have mentioned in another one of your threads that I feel that tarot is a very personal thing. I feel that on some level, our learning is very much determined by what we ourselves see in the cards. In this way, you could say that tarot-learning is unique for each and every individual. What one person might bring to our understanding of a specific card may be completely different from what another person might bring to that same card. C

mac22	21 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by estroncios iam asking this cos i already changed many concepts of my readings, well i know that during all this years u changed many things so let me change the question a bit...what about tell me what is the main change that u did in your readings when u got more experienced? cya ;) As my experience grew, my confidence grew, as my confidence grew... I naturally matured...Don't rush it ...grow naturally....:)

jmd	21 Feb 2004
With regards to 'what is the main change that [you] did in your readings when [you] got more experienced?', I suppose that an increase trust to narrate what I saw... this probably doesn't help much :)

VGimlet	21 Feb 2004
I think my most major changes since I started reading (a shockingly long time ago and yes, I WAS a child, LOL) are; As jmd says, trusting my narrative and my intuition. Not relying on the LWB, or even a big, colorful book during my readings. Not sticking with just one spread; and that less is often better - three card spreads are sometimes even more effective than a full-on celtic cross or horseshoe etc, etc.

mac22	21 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by VGimlet I think my most major changes since I started reading (a shockingly long time ago and yes, I WAS a child, LOL) are; As jmd says, trusting my narrative and my intuition. Not relying on the LWB, or even a big, colorful book during my readings. Not sticking with just one spread; and that less is often better - three card spreads are sometimes even more effective than a full-on celtic cross or horseshoe etc, etc. The less is more idea comes with maturity. As for the LWB or big colored book..I never consulted one with a client present... I'd merely say "the meaning is uncertain" or " has yet to be made clear" make a note in my journal.. and consult sources later...:)

estroncios	22 Feb 2004
well i understand what u mean about the big books with the cards pics but the problem is that as a begginer i really need them cos unfortunatelly i dont have a right meaning for each card yet...there are some cards (the ones that i get more often in readings) that i already have a full acknowledgement on their meaning but most of them i really dont know yet....so how can i forget the big books or the learntarot site? lolol :> cya ;)

fairyhedgehog	22 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by estroncios so how can i forget the big books or the learntarot site? I think what people are saying is that you can't ... yet :) The trouble is, that there is no quick way to get where you want to be. The answer is practice, practice, practice. It's like asking a pianist what is different in their playing now they're experienced: they may say they play without music, or their fingers are more nimble, or whatever. But that doesn't tell you what to do, because how they got there is just by keep doing it. I don't think this is the answer you wanted :( Sorry. But the hopeful part is that it will come. And you've found that already with the cards that you get more often in readings.

estroncios	22 Feb 2004
well thanks for all your answars and iam doing daily readings exactly to get more experience... cya ;)

Phoenyx*	22 Feb 2004
The one change I did recently was one that seemed so logical, but I had never seen it before....the spread I seem to like the most has what seems to be 5 mini-spreads in one large spread. The change involved seeing how the mini-spreads affected one another, instead of just reading the spread bit by bit.

Majecot	22 Feb 2004
I think the biggest change I have made was in learning to trust my intuition, and to not be so quick to pick up the book. (ok so I am still working on that part, but I leave the book in another room so that it is not so readily available) :D

estroncios	22 Feb 2004
hahahaha nice ideia majecot lol ao try that cya ;)

Imagemaker	22 Feb 2004
Quote: the spread I seem to like the most has what seems to be 5 mini-spreads in one large spread. Which spread is that, Triquetra? I can't quite get 5 minis out of Celtic Cross . . .

estroncios	22 Feb 2004
hey iam sure that itsnt a celtic cross too but dont forget that celtic cross has several variations :) cya ;)

Phoenyx*	22 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Imagemaker Which spread is that, Triquetra? I can't quite get 5 minis out of Celtic Cross . . . It's a spread my fiance made, that, if you look at it, has 4 3-card mini-spreads, one in each of the four directions, and a 2-card mini-spread in the center.

estroncios	22 Feb 2004
hey friend could u share this spread with us in the spreads forum? that would be gr8t cya ;)

Phoenyx*	22 Feb 2004
Estronicous, I would be happy to, but he asked me not to share it with anyone. It's a very private spread for him, and a very good one.

Logiatrix	22 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by estroncios ....it would help us (the begginers) a lot cos knowing bout your experience we dont need to commite the same mistakes or misconceptions.... I am not a veteran, but I do believe I have grown enough past the beginner mark to have realized the need to release a few misconceptions. One is that there is a certain way to read the cards, and strict adherence to this way is necessary. I have learned that there is no "one way" and in fact, we need to develop our own way. Another misconception I used to embrace is that books are gospel, especially the books that come with the decks. Conversely, I have since learned to throw the books away (or at least, hide them in a closet), and to take the cards in on my own. Connected to that lesson was the growing misconception that books were bad, and should be altogether shunned. I have since learned that books are useful, and hold within each of them numerous pearls of wisdom. One of the biggest misconceptions I released was the belief that I would finally master tarot if I had the deck--The One that would reveal all the magic I needed to do great, super-divinatory readings. Truth? There is no such thing as the deck...they're all just ink and cardboard; I have learned that the magic is in me. This is a wonderful truth to embrace on those occasions when I do a great, super-divinatory reading and I know it's because of me and my own skill and intuition. :)

allibee	23 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by estroncios so my question is what did u change My underwear :) Seriously ... there comes a time of confidence ... when you don't need your books, when you don't need your notes, when you don't need the images and you don't need your usual interpretations because instead of seeing a bunch of disparate cards in front of you and you try to fit them to the question, you see a story ... a snapshot/photograph in time... of someones life and regardless of the cards in front of you, you speak what you feel. The first time is always the worst ... time to change the underwear and go for it :)

estroncios	23 Feb 2004
well finally iam understanding what changes with the experience...at least ao have more humor sense lol cya ;)

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