Tarot and Christianity

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 06 Feb 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

c0de	06 Feb 2004
I am a Christian and i recently bought a deck of tarot cards. I am just asking if there are more christians here and what are your views on Tarot in regards to it being evil (Even if you arent christian post anyway).

Sulis	06 Feb 2004
Hi COde, welcome to Aeclectic. I'm not Christian myself but I do know that there are plenty of Christians who use tarot, there are some on this site. I did a search for you and came up with a few threads about tarot and christianity. You can find them HERE Love and light Sulis xx

c0de	06 Feb 2004
Thank you very much I am going to look into them now:)

Majecot	06 Feb 2004
HI c0de and welcome to AT. In no way would anyone here regard tarot as being evil ( I am sure of that). There are people in the world unfortuantely that do regard tarot as being evil. Those are people that, IMHO at least, are ignorant and uneducated. Since the true magik of tarot somes from within, the only evil would be in oneself. There are many people here that read Tarot that are Christian, and many that are non-Christian. The one thing that we all have in common is that we love tarot! I hope that you enjoy the boards, there are many study groups to participate in. What cards did you get?

horoskope88	06 Feb 2004
I'm not Christian myself, and I don't understand that why the Christian Church is so against Tarot and other divinatory systems either. Personally, I don't think the Tarot is evil in itself and that it depends on how a person uses it. If you use Tarot in black magic rituals to wish harm upon others, then its evil. However if you use it to provide insight and clarity and to base your decisions off of with all the best intentions in mind, then the Tarot is defineitly not evil. Plus, the Tarot's images are archetypal and so you can use it to help clarify and guide you on your particular spiritual path no matter what it is. I think the thing with the Church is that, they don't want people to have a link to Divinity other than through the Church. Or perhaps, it's because of Tarot's (*supposed?) Pagan roots?

Thirteen	06 Feb 2004
I recommend you get this deck and this woman's books on Tarot. She is very Christian, and both her deck and her books discuss being a Christian and a tarot reader. http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/connolly/index.shtml Beyond that, the deck is one of the most beautiful out there. For most Christian tarot readers, the reasoning is this: the divine speaks through people, through saints and prophets and ordinary people, the faithful. The cards are just one medium for such messages--a way of making them clear to reader and querent. By praying before each reading, and doing readings for the right reasons, to help, one assures that one is passing on only Divine inspiration and guidance. The cards are kept clean, even holy, and not tainted by evil.

Bean Feasa	06 Feb 2004
I must say I agree with horoskope88, in thinking the cards themselves are a neutral resource which like most things in life can be used for good or ill. For me personally, Tarot brings nothing but (enormous) benefit to my life. So don't let the naysayers bother you cOde, they're preaching from a point of view of ignorance and ill-informed prejudice. If you're really worried about this you might be interested in a book called 'Tarot- Talisman or Taboo' which was written by Mark Patrick Hederman, a forward-thinking Benedictine monk in Glenstal Abbey here in Ireland. I haven't read it (I'm not Christian myself, so the question of what the Church thinks of Tarot doesn't impinge on me too much) but I did leaf through it in a bookshop, and he seemed to be defending Tarot as a beneficial resource, pointing out the Christian imagery in many decks and so on. Hope this helps, blessings, Kate

dolphinprincess	06 Feb 2004
Hi c0de, I got your PM - so I thought I'd answer your question in your thread... I was raised Catholic.. but I don't, at this time, consider myself of any one religion. I am a Christian - I do beleive in Christ.. but there are also many Pagan beleifs that I relate to...I'm somewhat eclectic - ... I am not "shunned" for reading tarot.. but it is also something I don't share with the general public. I am not ashamed - or afraid - I just don't bring it up unless its something the person may be interested in... and there are certain people's who's mind I know I"m not going to change, so it isn't really worth the hassle for me to debate it with them... But - I most definitely think you can be Christian and read Tarot!!!!!!

mercenary30	06 Feb 2004
I knew you would get plenty of responses to this question. Aeclectic Tarot is very supportive...... :) I love this place.

HOLMES	06 Feb 2004
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/soul-tidings-truth-cards/ http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/master/ the first one has an extra card added to each suit and two extra major arcana cards, but if you know anything about tarot you would see the tarot meanings in the rest of the cards. then the other deck which i do not have yet, but is getting would interest you for it is more in a tarot format . as for tarot being evil. as jerry lee says in the movie great balls of fire, "if i am going to hell , i;m going playing the paino" so if i am going there, i am going reading the tarot.

raeanne	06 Feb 2004
Hi Sulis, Have you seen Tarot of the Saints? It is a good Christian deck, especially for someone raised in the Catholic Church who would be familiar with the saints. Most of the Christian fundamentalist churches are against tarot but the more liberal Christian churches don't seem to mind.

firemaiden	06 Feb 2004
Sulis your search was pretty broad. A more pointed search using the terms christian* (with * as a wild card) and tarot, and specifying to search thread titles only, lists the following threads: - Can't be a tarot Christian? - Explaining Tarot to Christians. - Questions on Christianity and Tarot - Christian Tarot Reader -- yes, there is such a thing - Tarot and Christianity(Thread begun by Calix) - Christianity and Tarot

Indigo Rose	06 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Thirteen .....By praying before each reading, and doing readings for the right reasons, to help, one assures that one is passing on only Divine inspiration and guidance. The cards are kept clean, even holy, and not tainted by evil. I agree with Thirteen. Code, I am also a Christian and have had the same struggle over the years. The Bible speaks against divination in the old testament, but God allowed his own chosen prophets to use the gift of divination to GLORIFY HIM and give messages to the people; Joseph(son of Jacob) and Daniel are two examples. There are more. Most of God's chosen ones had dreams, visions, and were able to perform divination. The important keys, for the Christian using Tarot, are WHY and HOW you use it. We should use this gift to bless and assist others, and self. We should honor Christ in our methods of using Tarot. I agree with praying for wisdom, clarity, and protection from evil spirits. I believe the messages in Tarot are a GIFT from GOD; but to WHOM much is GIVEN, MuCH is REQUIRED! Therefore we carry responsibility when reading the cards. As for the Christians who are unable to understand or accept, I refer to the Bible....1 Corinthians 10:23-33 and Romans 14:1-23. In these scriptures we are reminded that NOT all Christians will have the same level of faith. Some will have to walk a very rigid line, because that is the level their faith is at and they cannot see beyond what is in black and white.We are not to place stumbling blocks in front of them by trying to force them to accept our belief in Tarot. Instead we are to love one another and attempt to live at peace with all people. Tarot is not for everyone, because not everyone can accept on faith it's blessings: Christian and non-Christian alike. It took me years of searching, praying, and maturing before I finally found the TRUTH....for me. Now, I live a Christian life with Tarot as a central part of my relationship and walk with Christ. I seek to help people and deepen my own spirit through the gift of TAROT. Blessings to you CODE as you seek and search. Just live your faith, and be true to your HEART. Indigo Rose :)

leonine	06 Feb 2004
I was born and raised Catholic-I even attended Catholic school for most of my life. l remember reading some where that St. Patrick introduced so called 'pagan rituals" into Catholicism to aid in his "conversion" of pagans. For instance, lighting candles for the dead and the pagan holiday of Sowhain (I think I spelled it right!) into "All Souls" day. Since both "religions" have a "connection", It is alright to read Tarot. I believe that "religion" is something within you, a sense of spirituality. I think we all have met "bad people" who make sure they attend church weekly. So my point is, it should not be considered a "bad thing" although many people say it is. I am able to say this from my past experience with "devout religious people"

Rusty Neon	07 Feb 2004
Tarot and Pope John Paul II http://www.medtarot.freeserve.co.uk/pictures.htm

full deck	07 Feb 2004
The ravings of certain "Christians" against Tarot is just that and greatly ignorant. I would like to refer to one comment of AmournrA -- one of our members here -- who had this to say about the nature of Tarot: Quote: I feel very much the primary function of a tarot deck, lies not in Divination, but in opening doors and areas of the mind. Stimulating the Imagination. From here I guess much depends on what you think the mind is, what it’s capable of, and how far it goes. Tarot is not about black magic and is not a sign of one lacking faith in the infinite mercy and grace of God, but is more so about the portals of the mind and the nature of reality. Using Tarot as such a tool, it is an excellent way to foment ones spiritual imagination and to gain insight to ones faith. Additionally, Maimonides spoke of faith without reason (knowledge) as being a dangerous thing, just using the Tarot -- without study -- should not be mistaken for knowing something, after all, if one has a car and can't drive it, sooner or later, they will end up in the ditch. I could further recommend one truly great work on the Tarot that has a Christian perspective: "Meditations on the Tarot -- A Journey into Christian Hermeticism" (author anonymous). JMD has a write-up on it in the "books" section of the forum too.

FourLeafClover	07 Feb 2004
I am a devout, practicing Christian. I don't see anything evil whatsoever about using a tool that can help you see things from a different point of veiw. My mother (who doesn't know I'm learning Tarot!) even admits that the cards are beautiful things. Okay, so, I'm a closet Tarot student. But I havn't found anything whatsoever that interferes with my beliefs in the practise of Tarot. It's actually kind of fun to see just how much Christian symbolism is in the cards, and just as much fun to learn the Pagan and other kinds of symbolism. I can't say I have a preference between Christian-ish decks and decidedly non-Christian decks. I find them both beautiful and fascinating.

augursWell	07 Feb 2004
c0de, For my 100th post I started a similar thread that you might be interested in at http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18692

augursWell	07 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Bean Feasa If you're really worried about this you might be interested in a book called 'Tarot- Talisman or Taboo' which was written by Mark Patrick Hederman, a forward-thinking Benedictine monk in Glenstal Abbey here in Ireland. I ordered this book back in December from Amazon but it is still on backorder so I haven't yet read it. I do think it probably has a lot to say on this topic.

c0de	07 Feb 2004
Thanks a lot guys, but what chrisitan religion are those of you who are christian. Im baptist who i think is open minded but the prentecostals and episcopals are not. Thats my opinion.

Imagemaker	07 Feb 2004
There are liberal and fundamentalist people in any denomination of Christianity, or any other organized religion--maybe even Wiccans, I don't know :) (What would a fundamentalist Wiccan be like? Are there fundamentalist Pagans?) Anyway, I don't think the label matters as long as we are kind to each other and willing to communicate.

Agathe	08 Feb 2004
I'm Christian and I don't find anything wrong with me using Tarot crads in order to help people. In fact, I do want to continue doing it for a big part of my life. I remember I once told a Christian guy that I am a Tarot reader and he started to laugh. He told me sth about bible and everything and said that people like me seemed weird to him. I told him that the most important is another human being and it doesn't really matter how you get to the point to help them, right? He had no answer to that. I know priests that go to fortunetellers. As weird as it might sound, Tarot brought me closer to God and further from evil :). Blessings, Agathe

TemperanceAngel	08 Feb 2004
I found this site www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pardos/PopeJoanHome.html when looking into the Tarot and acta sanctorum XTAX

firemaiden	08 Feb 2004
If people want to see devil worship in the reading tarot cards... I can't stop them. They're the ones who are looking for the devil everywhere. On the other hand, these are the best people to read for, because they actually believe.

Nycelle	08 Feb 2004
I am Christian, and my belief is that the Higher Power - which I perceive as a genderless Christian God, btw - can be worshipped in any way once intentions are good. For instance, I think the Higher Power recognises every religion equally simply as different methods of worshipping the same thing. If the true God is the Islamic Allah, I don't think He minds that I refer to him as the Sacred Heart. I believe that any activity is morally sound if it is approached with genuine compassion and good intentions. Thus, unless you are using the Tarot to manipulate or to harm people, it is good. And on the subject of fundamentalist pagans - I know lots of people who practice Paganism and Wicca, and one fundamentalist. Someone idly criticised the Catholic Church in conversation, and she said "Yay for the denunciation of Christians!" I was deeply offended, as I had considered this person a friend. There are fundamentalists and prejudices everywhere, and they are best ignored. Genuine people are easier to find.

Indigo Rose	08 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Agathe As weird as it might sound, Tarot brought me closer to God and further from evil :). Blessings, Agathe Agathe, this doesn't sound weird at all. Tarot has definitely brought me closer to God and further from evil. I believe God gave me the gift of Tarot during a very painful time in my life as a tool for recovery. Beyond that he has enabled me to use this gift to bless others, and empower them the way I have been empowered. Thank God for the gift of Tarot, and for the beautiful people whose hearts and minds are open to this gift. Blessings, Indigo Rose :)

Kiama	08 Feb 2004
c0de, you've been given some great advice here. It is refreshing to hear so many Christians talk about this in a nice way. And I agree with everything they say, even though I'm not Christian! To me, we all worship the same deity in the end, but under a different guise and name. And I used to be Christian when I was younger, and I certainly felt that I was 'talking to God' when I used the cards... It was my version of getting answers to my prayers. "God, show me the way" I would ask, then throw down three cards for His answers. I saw it as no different to praying. I know alot of the less liberal-minded (when it comes to Tarot) churches will say that it is 'against the Bible' to read Tarot, but I disagree. I think that firstly it depends on what you use Tarot for: if you use it for something more than divination, eg- guidance, meditation, self analysis, etc, then there is nothing in the Bible against that. And besides, as has been mentioned by Indigo Rose, God let his prophets use oracles to glorify Him: Balaam of the Old Testament uttered 5 oracles in the name of God. Joseph foretold the future using dreams in the name of God. Alot of widely accepted Christian writings came into existence through visions (see the Book of Revelations.) In places of the New Testament Jesus foretold his future, and it can be seen that the Old Testament is just one big prophecy leading up to the birth of the Messiah. (Indeed, the New Testament seems pretty preoccupied with making sure Jesus' life fit in with these prophecies!) As for Fundamentalist Pagans... Yes, they do unfortunately exist. We call them FundamentaPagans, and they are the bane of my existence (even moreso than fundamentalists from any other religion!) I know one Pagan who insists that anybody who eats meat or even dairy products is evil, and is not a 'true' Pagan. I also know one who insists Paganism is a 'higher' religion than any other religion, that all Christians are bad and need to be shown the 'error of their ways'. It makes me veeeery angry indeed. But yes, FundamentaPagans exist. Blessings, Kiama

Nycelle	08 Feb 2004
Talking of the Pagan who says "true" pagans don't eat meat or dairy, here is a story my boyfriend's dad told me about an Irish priest he knew over forty years ago. In Catholicism, eating meat during Lent is not allowed, and the list of other Lenten penances is endless. At Mass, the priest detailed them all to the congregation - mostly farmers and labourers - then laid down the missal. "That's all very well for the idle rich," he said. "But working men and women with families should eat when they have it to eat." Then he went on with the service. I've had several people put guilt trips on me for eating meat, and I quite enjoy telling them that, as a pernicious aneamic, my health and my doctors demand I eat meat. I have used the Tarot to talk to God also, I think that the Divine speaks through everything - at risk of sounding strange, the Divine is speaking through every nuance of nature and every aspect of the world.

Deneb	08 Feb 2004
I’m also a Christian, to be more precise; I belong to the Evangelical Lutheran Church. I believe, such as many of you, that Tarot itself isn’t evil, the energy and thoughts of the reader makes it good or bad. I’m actually really surprised and happy to notice such many Christians here, I’m not alone :D. My faith in God is very strong, for example hearing some verses from bible on TV can make me cry, but I’ve never felt I’m doing something wrong, when reading and trying to get to know to divination or tarots. It really inspired me, what Agathe said: Tarot brought me closer to God and further from evil. Even though I’ve hadn’t got this kind of experience, I know that for me tarots are intended for meditating, to help know myself better and to help and guide the people around me. And after reading this thread, there is no doubt in my mind that tarots are evil.

Ninelives	08 Feb 2004
Just a small point - the earliest tarot packs we have survive from a wholly Christian culture: the cards were, in fact, comissioned by practising Christians (the Sforza family etc) & thse people aparently saw no problem with owning & using the cards. Further, tarot imagery itself is rooted in & redolent of, Christian myth & iconography. A knowlegde of traditional Christian symbols will enrich your understanding of tarot - & I see no reason why a knowledge of tarot cannot enrich your Christianity

augursWell	08 Feb 2004
When this assertion of "divination is evil" comes up nowadays for me, I have to ask: isn't evil, evil? By that I mean if something is done with evil intent, evil goals, and evil outcomes, then it is evil. The concept for Christians who are against Tarot seems to be that one does not know where that "divination" is coming from. That it could be the Devil or a demon talking to you through the cards. That divination in itself is evil. But isn't prayer also divination? It seems to me if the cards said to me "I'm a demon, just sign here to give your soul to me" I would say "Uh Uh, no way, leave me alone." I'm not going to give myself over to something that I don't feel is right. If the cards seemed to indicate I should go out and murder someone then that is my problem. An evil act is evil no matter where it comes from. There was the "Son of Sam" serial killer in NYC who claimed that this dog was talking to him and telling him to kill. Everyone is responsible for their own actions no matter where the impetus comes from. If you pray to God before you do a Tarot reading are you suddenly at some point now being guided by the Devil? My point is, the results are what matters. If you are gaining insight in your life, gaining compassion, being good to others, then it doesn't matter if you're reading the Bible or laying out Tarot cards. The end result is the same. c0de, you asked earlier, I grew up a Presbyterian but I do not regularly attend church at this point in my life. I also have no idea how the Presbyterian church feels about Tarot.

Jypsie	08 Feb 2004
I too feel closer to God when I use the Tarot. I am a Christian too and I also keep my studies secret from my parents, even though I am an adult. Until I feel they are ready to accept the way I feel about Tarot, I hide my decks and books when my parents come around. I was so confused at first, until I realized that God was speaking to me through the cards, and then I embraced my newfound talent. Like Indigo Rose, i feel it would be a shame to discover a God-given talent and then not use it.

c0de	09 Feb 2004
I agree with all of you, expecially in praying before and after each reading. I do that every time.

mac22	09 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by c0de I am a Christian and i recently bought a deck of tarot cards. I am just asking if there are more christians here and what are your views on Tarot in regards to it being evil (Even if you arent christian post anyway). Divination is mentioned through out the Bibile. Casting lots [divination] was reliable enough for the OT patriarchs & priests for; choosing men for an invading force (Jud. 1:1-3, 20:9), partition of the soil of Palestine among the tribes (Num. 26:55, Jos. 18:10, Acts 13:19), dividing spoils (Obad. 11), land itself (1Macc. 3:36), apportionment of spoils, possessions, or prisoners to foreigners or captors (Joel 3:3, Nah. 3:10, Mat. 23:35), settlement of doubtful questions (Prov. 16:33, 18:18), detection of a criminal (Josh. 7:14, 18), appointment of persons to office or duties as priests (Lk. 1:9), and for the Apostles of Jesus, in choosing Matthias that's good enough validation & surety for me that divination is not only permitted but encouraged for Christians.

Diana	09 Feb 2004
Interesting thread. I am not a Christian but having read this thread, plus a number of others we have had in the past on this subject makes me think that: 1) What is a Christian? It needs a definition. 2) And that if a person who belongs to an organisation that preaches a certain doctrine and dogma, goes against this doctrine and dogma, then they are being heretical. From what I can figure, most Christian churches are pretty anti-Tarot. So I would say that Christians who use the Tarot are Heretics. But there is nothing wrong with being a heretic. In fact, it shows that you can think for yourself and you don't just swallow things and accept them just because some guys have decided that Tarot is not part of their dogma. I love heretics. We even have a Tarot Heretic on Aeclectic and she is just wonderful! :) In fact, I would think that the Tarot itself was created by heretics. Dictionary definition of Heretic (Merriam-Webster): 1 : a dissenter from established church dogma; especially : a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church who disavows a revealed truth 2 : one who dissents from an accepted belief or doctrine

Imagemaker	09 Feb 2004
The word heretic has a strong negative history in organized religion. A person may disagree, or dissent, at a very minor level, but to be called a heretic at one time meant being executed. I'm a liberal ecumenical spiritual person (Gathering of the LESP :)), but labels such as heretic make even me cringe. Let's just say many of us don't follow the "party line" of the organized churches and thankfully are not punished for it.

mac22	09 Feb 2004
While some Christian churches may object to the Tarot on dogma they cannot deny that divination is both a Jewish AND a Christian practice. And the Tarot is divination. As for a definition of Christian: a person who accepts Jesus Christ as a their personal Lord & Saviour.

Indigo Rose	09 Feb 2004
sorry technical problems....see below

Indigo Rose	09 Feb 2004
Quote: Originally posted by mac22 Divination is mentioned through out the Bibile. Casting lots [divination] was reliable enough for the OT patriarchs & priests.....and for the Apostles of Jesus, in choosing Matthias that's good enough validation & surety for me that divination is not only permitted but encouraged for Christians. Thank you for Mac22 for the scriptural proof to support what we know in our hearts. Tarot is a gift for seekers. GOD promises answers for those who seek. "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " Matt 7:7-9 Blessings, Indigo Rose :)

mac22	09 Feb 2004
you're most welcome. After being hassled & picketed.... I thought I'd better do some research...:D

c0de	10 Feb 2004
There has been alot of research done and I want to say thanks :) keep the inspiration coming.

c0de	17 Feb 2004
I read somewhere about the Sforza Family....Anyone know more about them?

inanna_tarot	30 Mar 2004
hey all! Thanks c0de for putting that thread up! its been most interesting today!!! And thanks Mac22 for pasting the references to divination! I'm Pagan but i've had a bit of a Christian day with the christian union at college giving away free easter eggs (YUM!), and on the way home i visited my local church! To me going into Circle is the same was walking into a church and both make me cry, feel connected to the Divine (be it God(God/Jesus) or Goddess (Mary)). I went to a catholic school when i was younger, but took hardly any notice of the religion. Whats strange is that today when i was in the Church i still remembered the daily prayers we used to say! Tarot is only communicating with God, or even if you dont want to say that, its a reflection of your own intuitive side - all YOU not God's ouija board lol. Its something to use and embrace and never feared (unless u dont like the answers lol) Love and Blessings Sezo x

Ani	30 Mar 2004
I think it is funny how the Bible is so misunderstood by so many of the followers, those ancient stories seem so miraculous and mystical but the truth is that we are living in the same magical society now more than ever. Back then divination was used by the priests, prophets, and mystics as a way of comunicating with the divine, to the followers that was just phenomenal stuff. Now there is more and more people seeking thier understanding of the Divine on their own without the help of external sources, religions. When someone claims your source of Divine comunication is evil they are only afraid because they don't truely understand the nature of God, they only believe what their church tells them to believe and can't really come to any conclusions themselves, this creates a contraversy among the worlds thousands of belief systems. We all have our own spiritual path, we must follow it however we see fit. I believe the Tarot was originally a system given to us by the Divine just like so many of the sacred scriptures are chaneled from the Divine. Anything that is helpful for the greater good of all can not be evil, the Tarot never tells you to do sinful things, the answers we receive are always for the greater good.

cartarum	30 Mar 2004
i am a christian. it is true, that evil people in the past used things for divination. their actions are part of the reason for the churches rejection. evil people at this very moment are using cards for evil. they will learn eventually. but the real message is that in the past, religion, divination, and magic were from the same source. there are exorcists that could be classified as magicians, and there are card readers that could be called priests. the churches rejection of divination is like a barrier that protects the faithfull from temptation.

Phoenyx*	30 Mar 2004
Quote: evil people at this very moment are using cards for evil. Yes, but Cartarum, there are evil people in the world who use cars to further their evil. Does this mean that cars are evil? Will the Church outlaw cars? Or packages? Evil will use anything to further its own causes, from innocuous playing cards, to children, to the very person that you spoke vows to. The Church cannot outlaw everything that may be a temptation to "good faithful Christian people". Whatever happened to free will?

Nitegoddess	01 Apr 2004
My belief is that being christian is a state of mind. It is just a name that was given to non jews believing in God.. I go to church with my family as my 8 and 3 year old love going... but I also believe in a greater divine intervention that takes place daily. To each individual there may be a name.. other no name at all.. It is what you believe in that is most important... Tarot in no way to me is evil... it is getting in touch with my inner being... things that normally would be ignored are brought to life in my Tarot... I too believe that one day .. possibly in the middle of this century more people will be in tune with their inner beings... and will begin to understand their purpose on earth.. I hope I live to see that day as I believe the world will be a better place if everyone just stopped and listened to their inner self... :)

cartarum	01 Apr 2004
i agree, what happened to free will? if an omnipotent force that knows every thing, sees everything, and shows you something it knows you will react to, then really you are being manipulated. no matter who you are. but we still have free will. that is, we can reason to ourselves the pros and cons of a situation, and decide whether that is what we want. just remember, who is it you got your information from? yourself? or is the moment really just right for the devil to step in and take a shot at depriving you of your dreams?

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