god and tarot

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 17 Mar 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

cartarum	17 Mar 2004
god sent us here to play and he has ways of telling us which are the dangerous games to play. trust your experiences. in them is the trail of god. and the direction that the past took us leads us to change when change is neccesary for our benefit. tarot is the changer that teaches with explanations yet these lessons are more easily forgotten than traditional actual experience. so the person is left with artificial wisdom. this changes the path that persons life will take and create a new future. the future is everything at once so is not fixed like the past. fate is what we make.

Mojo	18 Mar 2004
Huh? The words look like english, and I know they speak english in Canada, but I couldn't figure out for the life of me what in the world you're trying to say.

Imagemaker	18 Mar 2004
I'm worried--this post was clear to me! So I'd "read" it as: 1. Our life path takes us through experiences that teach us. 2. Be aware that God presents these experiences as opportunities to grow and change. 3. Tarot presents explanations for our questions. 4. These explanations--what we learn from Tarot--shouldn't be used as substitutes for real experiences. You can end up living in your head instead of in the real world (interacting too much with the cards instead of with people) 5. We create our path--get out and live. Is that what you said, Cartarum?

thanatos	18 Mar 2004
some ppl turn to god via prair when they face a problem some ppl turn to god via the bible when they face hardship some ppl turn to pscychics when they seek to see in to there future some ppl turn to tarot cards or tarot readors when they have questions men of the cloth claim that the bible comes from god .... but it is written by man men of the cloth claim that the powers that are used by pscychics are given by the devel men of cloth claim that tarot cards come from the devel .... but are drawn by man man uses the tool that are provided to him regardless of wi they are provided by god gave us freewill ...... tu do what we want when we want .... he didnt put constraints on us .... he hasent apeared befor me and told me not to do this and not do to that

Imagemaker	18 Mar 2004
The Course in Miracles says that a lesson will be presented to us until we learn it. If we're slo-ow learners--and there are many lessons--it may take many lifetimes to figure out what *not* to do (what leads to pain rather than peace).

HudsonGray	18 Mar 2004
Which still breaks down to--we all learn from our own personal experiences. Using tarot is only a tool, like using a telephone or reading the paper. Any constraints gotten from that or other things is still something that needs to be dealt with by ourselves on an individual level. I don't see any tools as holding me back forever unless I'm using them to the exclusion of something else. The post didn't bother my spirituality or my view of the world. Cartarum is talking about artificial wisdom, which isn't gained directly through actions. This is a legit point. But I wouldn't look at tarot as being bad or anything because of it. A person ends up using or not using what's set in front of them.

cartarum	18 Mar 2004
you are all right. but not everybody knows how god speaks. if i were god(hypothetically) i would be the first to speak then say nothing thereafter. this would avoid confusion. because it would be too easy for an imposter to claim his words as the word of god. therefore do not lean on only the bible or the prophets. examine the universe yourself. that is gods word: the universe. the way things are. granted, we make our future here on earth. but nothing changes the past. within the past is the key to the future. within the past are symbolic messages from god. he is telling you(stop that or youll go blind)when ever you burn yourself with tarot or make a reading mistake that leads to anarchy.

Diana	18 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by cartarum within the past is the key to the future. Which is why the simple Tarot spread "Past, Present, Future" is just so magical. It tells us everything we need to know. If we do not know where we come from, we will not know where we are going, or how we got to where we are in the first place.

Khatruman	18 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by cartarum if i were god(hypothetically) i would be the first to speak then say nothing thereafter. ...do not lean on only the bible or the prophets. examine the universe yourself. that is gods word: Why must God be this "someone else?" A being separate and above. I'm not just paraphrasing Jewel, saying, "what if god were one of us", but "what if god IS us." I like god being everything, in everything, part of everything... no sentience but what you conceive in your own mind. God is omnipresent? How can god be so without being part of everything.? He is omniscient? How can he know everything without being inside you? Forget about this god telling you to do this, making plans, teaching us lessons. How wonderful a comfort to think something bad happens to you so god can test you. Well, how about the same god exterminating millions of a certain religious affiliation...to test them? Rather, think god is what we all do collectively, the spirit we bring into the world through our collective action. And you are a piece of that. You are a godlet. It's a great way to keep sin away. Sure religion teaches you not to sin since God will see it and punish you. Thinking that way, something in your mind says, "Well, if he's up there, he's got to be looking away sometime." And thus people do terrible things, and think they are getting away. If god is what is inside you, well how can you get away from that? Love others. Do what is best for everyone. Do your part, whatever that may be, to be a better person. Learn in this life. Acquire wisdom and look for the connections you have with all other living things. If you look for connections, trust me, you will find them. If you look to hear God, a voice from above, you may be listening to silence. I know I am totally off topic. No longer talking tarot, and I am not sure if I really made any sense here. :D

ros	18 Mar 2004
Memo From God To: You Date: Today From: The Boss Subject: Yourself Reference: Life I am God. Today i will be handling all of your problems! Please remember that I do not need your help. If life happens to deliver a situation to you that you cannot handle, do not attempt to resolve it. Kindly put it in the SFGTD (something for God to do) box. All situations will be resolved, but in My time, not yours. Once the matter is placed into the box, do not hold onto it by worrying about it. Instead, focus on all the wonderful things that are present in your life now. Should you despair over a relationship gone bad; think of the person who has never known what it's like to love and be loved in return. Should you find yourself at a loss and pondering what life is all about, asking what is my purpose? Be thankful. There are those who didn't live ling enough to get the opporutnity. Should you find yourself the victim of other people's bitterness, ignorance, smallness or insecurities; remember, things could be worse. You could be one of them. Should you decide to study the Art of Tarot...

cartarum	18 Mar 2004
progress at your own risk

cartarum	18 Mar 2004
progress at your own risk

lunakasha	19 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Khatruman Why must God be this "someone else?" A being separate and above. I'm not just paraphrasing Jewel, saying, "what if god were one of us", but "what if god IS us." I like god being everything, in everything, part of everything... no sentience but what you conceive in your own mind. God is omnipresent? How can god be so without being part of everything.? He is omniscient? How can he know everything without being inside you? Forget about this god telling you to do this, making plans, teaching us lessons. How wonderful a comfort to think something bad happens to you so god can test you. Well, how about the same god exterminating millions of a certain religious affiliation...to test them? Rather, think god is what we all do collectively, the spirit we bring into the world through our collective action. And you are a piece of that. You are a godlet. It's a great way to keep sin away. Sure religion teaches you not to sin since God will see it and punish you. Thinking that way, something in your mind says, "Well, if he's up there, he's got to be looking away sometime." And thus people do terrible things, and think they are getting away. If god is what is inside you, well how can you get away from that? Love others. Do what is best for everyone. Do your part, whatever that may be, to be a better person. Learn in this life. Acquire wisdom and look for the connections you have with all other living things. If you look for connections, trust me, you will find them. If you look to hear God, a voice from above, you may be listening to silence. I know I am totally off topic. No longer talking tarot, and I am not sure if I really made any sense here. :D WOW Khatruman........Words of Wisdom.....I agree with you 100%. Love each other, try to do some good in the world, live and let live. What is so complicated about that??? :) Luna

HudsonGray	19 Mar 2004
Rings true for those of us who are pagan also--thanks Khatruman.

Phoenyx*	19 Mar 2004
Yes it does, which is why I like seeing the Divinity within each of us.....even though some days its hard, I admit...*lets out a long sigh*

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