Intuition vs. projection
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 18 May 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| Tor |
18 May 2004 |
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Hi!
Lately I've been aware of the difference between intuition and projection.
I've had so many readings and good advices, that was just a projection from the reader.
A projection is when someone puts their own problems onto others, or see the other person as a solution to one's own issues.
The person who becomes a psychologist for only to help himself.
The christian who need to save others just to be saved himself.
The tarot reader that brings forward his own wishes to the querent.
They're always hidden to the therapist these projections, so he will think he does a good job in his work. But sometimes he only spreads his own garbage over the client.
Someone even call it intuition, but I doubt that...
The best reading I've ever got, was so simple that I could have done it myself. It was done with the Rider Waite, and used a straight forward interpretation of the cards/pictures. Just as a basic textbook (the reading was done by AT's Lee).
Why try to make it more difficult than it is? I've studied astrology for manye years now, and the best part of it, is that it's based on knowledge of the signs and planets.......not much room for intuition. And why should we need that, when the "science" of astrology tells all.
Good astrologers develop this science by experience with clients. They see how things turn out, and makes a conclusion after that. And not by predicting a result based on intuition...
As for tarot.....I begin to understand that the divine part of it is the classic, well-known, textbook interpretations.......as for Rider Waite, based on the very pictures (they give a strong clue of the meaning).
Of course there are some psychic readers who just use the cards as a tool, like they could have used tealeafs or plain cards. But most people are not that gifted, and need to base their readings on written truths.
I know I'm one of them.
The simple are usually the best...
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| HOLMES |
18 May 2004 |
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it is sometimes hard to see what is inuition vs projection when their inuition picks up something and we get defensive right away and right away think they are telling us what they want to tell us and not getting anything from the spiritual world.
it wasn't a spiritual reading, but i filled out a test based on personality type at college and i read it and right away said this is bs .. and i said to the teacher look . and the teacher look at the test and went over bit by bit and what i didn't want to see was true and accurate. i thouht the guy had just made it up for i couldn't see how it could be a test .
and i took some time to digest it.
we are all human and so it is through us the information comes and through our experiences and our knowledge, and our view of the world.
so hence when we do a reading we are sharing our inuition but from our own frame of reference that makes it validatable from our own sharings. and it is up to the client to take what we are trying to share into their own experiences . it is the message ,, not how we say it.
i disagree with a person who becomes a psychologist to only help himself. a good one will desire to know more and help people with his knowledge granted, that by helping others we help ourselves
that is true of every profession, every situation.
i would find it hard to see a tarot reader who bring his own wishes to help help the querent
example,
i want to win the lottery so you will win the lottery ?
or do you mean
i would do that and i would reccomend that to you ?
another man garbage is another man treasure .. lol
sometimes we need the basics,, other times we need it to be weave a story for we cant see past the end of our nose.
that depends,, when i give a good reading i try to be as comprehensive as i can be , and to me that isnt' difficult but my job as a tarot reader.
if i was getting a professional astrology reading i would hope that they take their knowledge of the planets and the signs and be able to apply it to my life instead of just presenting a general information and say here you go, that is why i didnt pay for a computerized natal chart but studyied what i could myself to get a general flow
"Good astrologers develop this science by experience with clients. They see how things turn out, and makes a conclusion after that. And not by predicting a result based on intuition..."
good astrologers should take what the chart says and apply their inuition to the information provide and not just say here is your computerized reading without no further interpation.
to me it is just not right (why i don't know , i am paying for an astrology to do my work not for a computer to do it without any work from the astrologer)
aye indeed the pictures do give a good clue,
there is some diffent ways of interpaitng, inuitively based on the picture, researchical with information on the astrolgy, qabbalah, and other things behind it.
or textbook as you seem to want. however if you read enough textbooks (for me i read about 30 tarot books so far ) you got psyology, philopshy and other meanings. behind it.
for classic well known textbook iterpretations you would have to go to old school tarot cards before the waite tarot which has no pictures just pips . or do you mean just based on the waite intperations and disregard the toth and every other tarot deck out there ?
(do you just want the little white book interpations ?)
i am one of the ones who use the cards as tools for i project how i see the wisdom (heheh ) then i half chanel as well.
i can't see how you are gifted to use the cards as a tool when you are adovcating that every tarot reader stick to the classic textbook interpations and if they try other techiques they are projecting.
the simple is like jello , i like to see creamcheese with blueberries on them and is the graham crumbs behind it.
there is always room for jello ,, but those who can eat the cream cheese deserts know that they will more to digest.
edited to add in quotations marks
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| SongDeva |
18 May 2004 |
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Well explained Holmes.
I would add, Balder, that perhaps you are a person who reads with traditional meanings. For you this method would certainly be simple.
I'm a person who reads intuitively, and for me, this is the most simple. When I try to add traditional meanings, this is when things get ALL mixed up and confusing. LOL
For example, I've read for more than one person using both methods, and they said "You know, you are much more accurate when you read intuitively, than when you try to put in more traditional meanings."
So, just because I do it differently, doesn't mean it's wrong. ;)
But I'm sure that's not what you were trying to
say anyway. :)
I hope I've explained the view from the other side of the brain. ;)
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| Tor |
18 May 2004 |
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As I said, some have the gift of being a psychic/intuitive reader, but that certainly doesn't include me! :)
And from many of the readings I've had, it must be many as me. I know for sure that some of my readings were filled with personal issues, and not an objective reading. But I discovered that too late...
Maybe it's me that haven't developed my own intuition yet, but I know I will focus on the classic textbook in the future.
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| Tor |
18 May 2004 |
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Thank you firemaiden for bringing that old thread to life. It was some good insights there!
It made me see that I can express true divination by just interpreting the cards. And the source to that lays in tarot knowledge for me (I'm not a psychic).
Well, it's good to know the dangers of projections before a reading. But hopefully practice and knowledge will bring forward the purity of tarot divination.
:)
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| dadsnook2000 |
18 May 2004 |
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First, FIREMAIDEN, I read the whole post you refered to. Great.
Second, SONGDEVA, as you know from our Tarot Circle, I tend to use a hybrid approach where I first look at the cards and spread positions, then I look at clusters or related cards or related positions to establish a basic reading. Then, I go back through the reading and weave a story that brings inconsistancies and intuitive views into what I share with the querent.
I think this disciplined approach comes from years of astrological work. Yes, I can see a chart and almost always instantly catch deep insights and quirks. I sometimes use them to break the ice with the client BUT I always take time to place the components that form the big picture firmly in mind. It tends to prevent embarassments and almost always enriches the help that can be offered.
Dave.
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| Phoenix Rising |
18 May 2004 |
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Hi Balder
Remember the feelings card! Sometimes you use your intuition and don't even know it! You'll get there. "As above, so below"
Balancing your feelings with your logic. You're still in the mind, remember all of your swords! Temperance! is the key.
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| sagitarian |
19 May 2004 |
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I used to read tarot purely on intuition only (for 9 yrs). Then, about 2 yrs ago, I decided I wanted to learn the traditional meanings of the tarot. After doing as much, it almost "ruined" my ability to read the cards, so I got an oracle deck instead, and boom, I was back in business. Then I went back to tarot, and I incorporated my visionary/empath psychic abilities along with the traditional meanings in tarot, and boy is there (usually) a lot of information that pours out.
However, I SUCK at on line readings (email) readings. Chatting, I do fine with, but it seems like I need a flowing conversation in order to connect enough. I know I've done a few readings for a few people that thought it was great, and for that I'm thankful that I was able to pick up enough to give a good reading.
Usually, if I'm picking up an image that someone else is wanting to do (for example college) then I interpret that as a confirmation that this person should go to college, and often I'll get asked something like, "what about my parents, how are they going to take it?" and sometimes I pick up more information related and sometimes I don't, either way, you can still make an interpretation out of it, or if you feel you must, when in doubt, always have your deck near by to pull a card for clarification (I do this often!).
So I read by seeing the projected images related to the subjects that the querent/client wants to ask about. I relate the subjects to the client to see if they make sense, and as long as they make sense, then I keep flowing with it. If not, then I ask either my guides or my cards for more clarity on the subject. Ok, I'm rambling now.
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