something to think about

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 19 Jun 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

ros	19 Jun 2004
The ideas are expressed in pictures the pictures are explained in words Clinging to the words we fail to understand the pictures clinging to the pictures we fail to understand the ideas Having understood the pictures we can forget the words having understood the ideas we can forget the pictures Wang Pi (226-249 AD)

Ravenswing	20 Jun 2004
... and then detatchment. hmmm. Ros-- do you have any idea what this was refering to? I guess it could be the Chinese written language itself, but.... fly well Raven

tmgrl2	20 Jun 2004
Whoah! Great quote. Maybe...we can't cling to any one element without losing the "bigger idea or picture" and once we understand we need neither pictures nor words? Umbrae's toothpicks? instead of Tarot? terri

ros	20 Jun 2004
This post was on one page at the begining of an I Ching Book. I had to read it a couple of times and just thought it was kind of neat to think about and in an indirect way could relate to Tarot.

ros	21 Jun 2004
The Visual I Ching Cards and commentary by Oliver Perrottet

smleite	21 Jun 2004
Wonderful quote! I’ve always considered I Ching as an oriental Tarot, or better yet, Tarot as a western I Ching. What is particularly interesting is the universal nature of both systems. It is also an important warning for all of us in the forums, real word addicts…

Imagemaker	21 Jun 2004
Sometimes when I just look at the spread, (left brain turned off), I get the awareness of what the "big picture" of the situation is with the querent--much more than just their question. But to then put it into words means breaking down the sensed picture into details, and that makes huge sections of the picture disappear. They're inexpressible or I forget them--like trying to put a dream into words. The feeling and knowing of it are beyond the capabilities of language. Frustrating! Wang Pi said it so well.

Deus Ex Machina	21 Jun 2004
Here's a quote from the Tao Te Ching. Actually, its on the first page (at least in my translation.) I think it relates to what Imagemaker was talking about, and also shares some ideas in common with the I-ching quote. Its a bit difficult to decipher, but it carries a deep meaning. A Way become Way isn't the perennial Way. A name become name isn't the perennial name: the named is mother to the ten thousand things, but the unnamed is origin to all heaven and earth. In perennial nonbeing you see mystery, and in perennial being you see appearance. Though the two are one and the same, once they arise, they differ in name. One and the same they're called dark-enigma, dark-enigma deep within dark-enigma, gateway of all mystery.

tao51	23 Jun 2004
I keep both a copy of the I Ching and the TAO TE CHING on my desk. Sometimes both shine a gentle ray into a reading.--Tao

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