Soul Mate Questions
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 26 Jul 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| Fulgour |
26 Jul 2004 |
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Another Re-Phrasing
Those of you more familiar with such things please be patient, but I have simply never been comfortable with re-phrasing, and have always followed the rule of thumb that if the question does not ask me to violate my code of ethics I will simply answer it. That means yes and no questions, though the cards usually take me on a merry ride if I try to do so directly. And timing questions, although here too, I let the cards provide the information and then ask the querant to consider if anything 'speaks' to their concerns, like "Does six mean anything to you?" etc.
Today has come my umpteenth Soul Mate question, and while I am paraphrasing it so as to be unrecognisable, I think you will be able to see what is giving me pause.
1. Wants to know if the loved one will be romantically involved with them.
2. Wants to know if the loved one loves them, or not.
3. Wants to know is the loved one their soul mate.
I understand the concept of rephrasing as a means of empowerment, to give the querant the tools to take responsibility for and control of their destiny, but it has never 'come' to me how to do it naturally.
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| EminemsAngelBaby |
26 Jul 2004 |
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Hi Fulgour
I wasn't sure if these questions were 3 different people or simply 1 who is trying to cover all the bases:D
For me what I would do is a simple relationship spread that looks at the dynamics of the relationship in question. The spread would give me the answers to the questions.
One of my favorite general relationship spreads which can be used for any relationship:
It's from the book Tarot For Love and Relationships by Eleonore Jacobi:
1XXXXXXXX2
3XXXXXXXX4
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5XXXXXXXX6
7XXXXXXXX8
Cards 1 and 2 Presentation
These cards tell how each one acts towards the other and what is presented on the outside.
Cards 3 and 4 Picture of the Partner
These cards tell how the partner sees you.
Cards 5 and 6 Assessment of the RElationship
This shows what the partners think about the relationship or how they look upon it.
Cards 7 and 8 Desires of the Partner
These cards show what each person desires from the relationship and is perhaps not able to say aloud.
Card 9 What It's All About
The ninth card shows the topic of this reading.
I forgot to add: Things are usually quite clear at this point but if I was left wanting something more I would do one small spread about the specific question in mind. EAB
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| Frequency |
29 Jul 2004 |
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1. Wants to know if the loved one will be romantically involved with them.
2. Wants to know if the loved one loves them, or not.
3. Wants to know is the loved one their soul mate.
1. Is looking for an intimate relationship and wants to know if the other feels the same.
2. Wants to know if the other person will fulfill them spiritualy.
3. Hopes this relationship will last to.. ex: raise a family
If I was to answer this myself:
1) 4 of Swords
2) 10 of Wands
3) 5 of Stones
I strongly feel these cards can be anything, since mixing them and drawing them is a random outcome. You'll likely get different cards but the same interpretation.
Whoever this person is they know them already. They've likely just recovered from an argument or have taken down barriers exposing honesty on both sides. This person doesn't feel the partner has the time to fulfill their needs because they currently have too many responsibilites. Now is not a good time to jump into things because they feel they do not have stability. Advise them to be patient and look for stability. They are probably in denial and may not feel they need this stability. With patience this stability will begin to take hold.
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| Fulgour |
29 Jul 2004 |
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My heartfelt thanks go sincerely to everyone. Whilst revealing
any further information could compromise the confidentiality of the
reading, the key card turned out to be attributable to Mars in Leo.
Should there be any further developments I will certainly post them.
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| Fulgour |
29 Jul 2004 |
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...there remains the question of Soul Mates. This comes up
so often, and still I do not think I really know what it means.
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| Frequency |
31 Jul 2004 |
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I often feel I want someone to stay by me through thick and thin no matter what happened. I would give them the same courtesy. I think Frodo and Sam are wonderful soulmates this way, or Frodo and Gandalf, etc... It doesn't nescessarily have to be a woman and a man. I think if someone is looking specificaly for a woman they want that balance. Atleast they should. I often think about what I want from the women in my life and I am often very confused. I really am not sure about what I am seeking anymore.
I saw Angel's Egg at Fantasia Festival today here in Montreal. It's from the creator of Ghost In The Shell but it's not actualy for sale anywhere... I feel priviledged to have been able to watch it. At the end of the film, hardly anybody clapped. The subject of the film is about a young girl who carries an egg around with her but she doesn't know what is inside. I feel the idea with the egg was that it was life, and it was something she didn't see anywhere for a long time. The world around her is so dead, and quiet, that you hear every rustle of the leaves and footstep. Water comes out of fountains and you hear absolutely everything. Suddenly she's all too aware of her own existence. She fills fishbowls with water, and then holds them up to look through them. It distorts the world around her and she can escape. The film has about three or four lines worth of dialogue. The world is full of riddles and the ideas of the film are expressed solely through visual means. She finaly meets someone and she runs away at first, but they appear to be walking in the same direction. Eventualy the girl turns to check if he's still there and he comes out of the darkness to greet her and they walk together; totaly alone. Even when they have each other, she asks him "Who are you?" and he doesn't respond. At a later point in the film he asks her "Who are you?" and she doesn't respond. They don't know who the other one is, and they never know where they are going. They just walk aimlessly, but together. At night, the ghosts of men hunt shadows (of fish) that pass over the buildings. There are no fish left, but the men hunt them anyway. They throw spears at them hoping to catch them, but all the spears hit is rock, and often the spears will smash through windows...
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| Ace |
31 Jul 2004 |
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Originally posted by Fulgour
...there remains the question of Soul Mates . This comes up
so often, and still I do not think I really know what it means.
I think that is exactly the point. What is a SoulMate? Most people think of a soulMate as the ONE PERFECT PERSON. Which doesn't exist, I am not perfect, are you? Is anyone? A perfect person (for them, OK!) is one who never disagrees, fights, does anything to irritate them, smells bad, has a bad day, etc. In other words, very boring! but wait then they are not perfect... oops! paradox!
Well, I always just say, I don't do soulmates or believe in soulmates, so let us just look at this person and see how they fit with you, or look at your goals and see if any of them contradict and therefore keep you from finding anyone any good.
Especially since I know about 9 people now (I keep adding to the count) who found Mr/Ms SoulMate and it didn't work out. I guess that wasn't their soulmate after all...?
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| Frequency |
31 Jul 2004 |
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No I believe in soul mates. I believe Nicole is one of them. As I said in another thread, despite my anxieties that she doesn't want to get close to me, she's been extremely supportive and 100% understanding. She's also a Satanist. It's been really eerie when I've been with her, because she's not only changing my life but I've been changing her's aswell. We've been creating so much positive change just by hanging out together, and sharing our thoughts. I speak to a psychic online from Norway. We like a lot of the same music especialy black metal (black metal as a genre of music came out of the 'Satanic' metal underground in Norway). She does mirrorgazing and she's told me that this is a soul mate. She can see it. She can see how important we will be for each other. She also told me the power is in my hands to make this relationship last and I'm going to have to fight with her a bit to make that happen but it's all important, and the path she is on now away from me is a nescessary one. It's something she has to experience for herself. I've been doing tarot about this and it's been saying "She's the one you've been seeking, but you won't have her yet. Be patient and wait and eventualy your path with her will be revealed it's just not what you expect it to be or want it to be right now".
After seeing Angel's Egg, I understand our emotional distance from not only the world, but each other. I understand her need for privacy, and my need for privacy. We'll never be a couple that will hold hands in public, it's too special. That's the kind of relationship it would be if there ever is one. It will be extremely personal and private.
I've learned that the truth is extremely rarely accepted. The truth is we are individuals, and we are alone. I don't think she understands this yet. I'm hoping that when she is with this new boyfriend of her's, she'll begin to see that. After thinking about it for a number of days, this really is important to her. Even though it's the wrong choice I know it's still the right choice if only she'd make it the right choice, but I don't think she will. That's why I think it's a wrong choice. It's hard to explain.
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| HudsonGray |
31 Jul 2004 |
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So many people think it's someone of the opposite gender (thank you Hollywood for skewing reality once again!). Soul mates are people who know each other so well they can finish each other's sentences. It can be your grandmother, a parent, a love interest, a great friend, a son or daughter--and it goes both ways, you have to be as much for them as they are for you. Unlike Hollywood portrays, I think we change soulmates regularly, as nobody stays stagnant, everyone grows & shifts away from who they were in the past, so you'd actually have a succession of people recognisable as soul mates in the course of your life. Maybe two or more at once, in some cases--or none at all for years. I really don't think it's a once in a lifetime thing OR permanent.
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| Fulgour |
01 Aug 2004 |
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I have read some pretty heavy stuff about soulmates and the afterlife,
which may be, but in terms of the way people choose to ask their questions
the term is really just a kind of code for true love. What makes me ask
for clarification is that it comes up so often, and they do mean it nicely,
which makes me want to try and get inside the language, the sort of
special way people ask questions ~ what I sometimes call: Wish Talk,
kind of like when you close your eyes, and...
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| firemaiden |
01 Aug 2004 |
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Perhaps we are due for a heavy soul mate discussion in the spirituality forum. I sure would love to discuss this. :)
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| Fulgour |
01 Aug 2004 |
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Originally posted by firemaiden
Perhaps we are due for a heavy soul mate discussion in the spirituality forum. I sure would love to discuss this. :) We may no longer be discussing the original question, but we're Talking Tarot.
Mostly now it's about exploring the way Soul Mates are perceived, the ideas
behind the way this is presented vs actual experience, and how that relates
to readings, questions, answers... Jump right in!
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| firemaiden |
01 Aug 2004 |
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soul mate questions, a beloved topic... I believe/do not believe in soul mates.
I believe we have many kindred souls. I believe, if we connect to another on a spirit level, we are connecting to spirit -- both tapping into the universal pool. It is easier to do this with some people, and harder with others, for whatever reason. But people with their windows... provide a glimpse here and there into the greater spirit. I do not believe there is an exclusive "one".
So if someone asked me a soul mate question -- I might translate this in my head into "is this a person with whom I can easily have a deep soulful spirit connection".
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| Cerulean |
01 Aug 2004 |
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0446672653/ref=sib_dp_ln/002-8939479-6605635#reader-page
Hope you can see it the article.
I think this psychologist and his patients were probably suggesting more than one connection. They expanded the definition beyond which what might feel immediate. Some connections show some unfolding over time...and they were suggesting beyond the immediate aspect of a romantic male/female.
I'm not certain about my specific beliefs, but there are those that believe in related lives over different generations to explain deep connections with different people--not just one. I think that is a more sophisticated and expanded answer to an idea of one-soul-per-life-mating and connection. I think I buy into this idea more, because of loving connections with different people in different contexts.
Since Frequency gave a nice scenic description of a modern theme that played on the idea of 'soul-mates,' I'd like to introduce a fun take on this when I saw with friends...Hedwig and the Angry Inch.
We found it hiliarious, although there's a beautiful song illustration a Platonic concept of the "Origin of Love." His discussion said in the beginning of humanity we were were quadapeds that were complete with each joined soul--but we were separated by the jealous godlings and Zeus. So forever we search for the original completion of our souls in this life. That actually seems more like the one soul-per-mate-lifetime connection...
As Firemaiden noted, these ideas are no longer connected to the original question--just touch on the concept of soulmates. Thank you for allowing us to expand on this idea---because I'm revisiting some beloved connections with others in a few weeks...
Oh, and I am using the spreads in Karmic Tarot by Edain McCoy to explore this more with my tarot decks...I am curously using this with the Buddha Tarot (Robert Place). In my funny mind, there's a connection somewhere...
Best wishes,
Cerulean Mari
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| Fulgour |
26 Aug 2004 |
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What exactly is a Soul Mate?
A Soul Mate is a kindred soul with whom you have a special connection, spiritually as well as physically. Now don't get the idea that physically means sexually or through a love type relationship, because it doesn't. It can be platonic, it can be as mother and daughter and so on.
A Soul Mate is unique to others we share time, experience and karma with in that they come into our lives to help us learn a major spiritual lesson that will hopefully propel us over a deep chasm that has long been part of our spiritual psyche. A soul mate can be a lover, a friend, someone who suddenly comes into your life and then just as quickly moves out (after the lesson is over).
They don't come into every incarnation, which is one of the things that make a Soul Mate special. I've noticed that a lot of people think the person they're married to or madly in love with is their soul mate. That's a sweet thought, but it doesn't work that way. Those people who you feel this unique closeness to are simply souls that you have spent many lifetimes with in the past. You have varying degrees of karma to share with these souls on many levels on for many subjects. They are special in their own right, but they are most probably not a "Soul Mate".
What is a Twin Soul?
A Twin Soul is a little harder to explain. At the time of your creation into a spiritual essence, you were created with an equal counterpart. Many people call this simultaneous creation of two spiritual beings the birth of Souls, thereby making your counterpart your Twin Soul. These two souls progress along their spiritual paths on a very individualistic basis. Never incarnating together, and most likely not even in the same solar system. It's part of the Universal balance, the creation of Yin and Yang so to speak.
http://www.paganspath.com/meta/twinsoul.htm
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| MeeWah |
26 Aug 2004 |
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Souls are genderless.
Thus, a soulmate not necessarily of same gender nor of same generation. Surpasses boundaries of a given relationship which may be that of mate/lover, friend, relative, co-worker.
More of a vibrational frequency. Of similar experiences &/or understanding. Shared experiences which may or may not be from past acquaintances. None of those necessarily contribute to soulmate status as apparent connections can be as lessons/ karmic aspects; of past memories or of past relationships.
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| lark |
26 Aug 2004 |
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In doing reading for others the question of when they will find a "soul mate" comes up so often.
People seem to think that a soul mate happens without effort.
You just meet them and you connect.
They are immersed in your soul and you in theirs.
And so they are on a quest for this illusive thing called a "soul mate."
Some people are even very afraid they missed this person, passed them by somehow in this life and so missed their chance.
My personal experience with my soul mate has been so different.
Over the years our souls have learned the subtle signals of the other.
Untill now we finish each others sentences, know when one is in pain or danger, feel each others joys or sorrows.
Its been a long process.
I expected the best from him and he from me.
And so we became the best we could be for each other.
But it was like water, dripping on a stone.
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| MeeWah |
26 Aug 2004 |
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Relationship queries can offer more defining results whence approached in terms of potential for growth. Past associations, shared experiences nor common interests do not of themselves guarantee a viable relationship (of any kind). In addition, the individual potential for growth contributes.
Look for the potential based on the individual attributes of both parties & *the complementary qualities of those attributes* which could signify a willingness to work together; to help each other grow on all levels. If there are individual agendas at cross-purposes, the potential would tend to be ill-aspected or ill-defined.
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