Georges Colleuil and the Birth Referential

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 23 Sep 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Diana	23 Sep 2004
It is with great pleasure that I ask you to go to Georges Colleuil's web-site: http://www.georgescolleuil.com/ and to click on the English flag to get to the English part of it, which has just been opened. (The different chapters must be clicked on at the top of the first page.) Georges is one of the finest tarologists in France today. His absolutely unique "Birth Referential" which is truly a masterpiece and an oh-so powerful tool to aid us on our life's journey, is explained there. (In brief... there are many ramifications which cannot be explained on a web-site). I have had the great privilege to have been entrusted with the translation of the English texts. My journey with Georges is not yet over, and we are working towards getting his works and discoveries known in the English speaking world. But while we wait for that day.... I do hope you will enjoy the treasure that is already being shared on the web-site.

Anna	23 Sep 2004
I've never heard of anything like this before. It looks like it will be incredibly insightful and a great way to explore the major arcane at in depth too. And its mathmatical!! Yay! :D I only read a fraction of the pages so far, I will explore further and report back :)

tmgrl2	23 Sep 2004
SO happy for you that you are involved with this project with George, Diana! Very interesting...but one does need further information in order to figure out and understand how to go about the process. Thanks! terri

Rusty Neon	23 Sep 2004
For interest's sake, I did a quick comparison of Colleuil's calculations for the Tarot Referential with 20th century Modern Numerology calculations, and I thought that I'd share my comparisons here. Please don't shoot the messenger! :) http://www.georgescolleuil.com/UK/calculate.php Colleuil's calculation of trump values for a number of the first 13 of the 14 houses is similar to certain calculations under 20th century Modern Numerology (MN). MN was founded by Mrs. L. Dow Bailey and expanded on by Florence Campbell and other numerologists based on combinations of numbers in respect of querent's month, day and year of birth and the current calendar year, and enjoys some following in anglophone and francophone countries. Colleuill's values for a number of the other houses are calculated using derived calculations from those other values. All values for the first 13 houses derive, directly or indirectly, from querent's month, day and year of birth and current calendar year. However, unlike Colleuil, MN also has other concepts (e.g., Expression Number) whose calculations are based on number values for letters in the querent's given name and family name. ___________________________________________ House 1: as for MN's Birth Day number House 2: as for MN's Birth Month number House 3: as for MN's Birth Year number House 4: as for MN's Life Path number calculation (year, month, day of birth). Houses 5 and 6: derived operations House 7: subtractive calculation of birth month from birth year as for a Challenge Number calculation in MN. See Decoz: Fourth Challenge Number calculation House 8: derived operations from the MN's concept of Universal Year and the derived concept of Personal Year (month and day of birth plus Universal Year). See here for tarot Personal Year card calculations. Houses 9 to 13: derived operations __________________________________________________ Colleuil's organization and ordering of the system of houses and his derived operations appear to be novel. Colleuil, building on the work of MN numerologists before him as they had built on the work of those before them, has made an interesting contribution to MN and to MN applications to tarot. Note Colleuil's use of MN's 'master numbers'. Like MN, Colleuil's system has 'transits', but I haven't had a chance to do a comparison of calculation methods. At the weblink above in my post, Colleuil refers to MN as traditional numerology. For those interested in a book in English tying together MN and tarot, there's a book by Sandor Konraad called Numerology: Key to the Tarot. And here's a handy website on MN concepts and calculation methods for the various MN concepts: http://www.decoz.com/Calculations.htm

Diana	24 Sep 2004
George's method is taught in seminars throughout Switzerland and France. Not only by him... but by therapists and tarologists who have USED his method countless times, and have never found it wanting. To become a teacher of this method requires a lot of time and study. Like I said, there are many many ramifications, some of which are described in his books. But already as a "simple" user, such as I am, it is a tremendous help in life. All I can tell you is that his system WORKS. Without fail. One can use it to truly understand our strengths and weaknesses. The reason I started working with him is because it works. And I realised that he is on to something big. Seek and thee shalt find. It's only by testing his method - with your birthdate, with the birthdate of others (his method has been tested with HUNDREDS of birthdates of people). You will see. For instance, it has helped me gain great understanding of my child and how I can help him best progress on his life's path during the few years he is living with me. I wish I had known of this method when he was born though. It would have given great comfort and support during some more difficult times. (Georges has not only discovered the Referential. His other studies on the Tarot are very wide-reaching.)

Anna	24 Sep 2004
I've tried it, and its pretty amazing stuff! I tried it this afternoon and its absolulty accurate, I am amazed and delighted! I always knew I was The Star at heart, George's method just prooves it :D :D :D

Astraea	24 Sep 2004
Wow, Diana, that is fabulous! I feel certain that the Birth Referential will yield very positive results and can't wait to explore the concept further. You have done a masterful job of translation -- M. Colleuil is fortunate to have found you. Thank you for providing the link to his site, which is now bookmarked.

Alissa	24 Sep 2004
Diana, this seems like very rewarding work for you indeed! My congratulations on the Good Spirits that brought this connection between you to you both. I've had to bookmark the site for a chance to look at it more closely, and figure out my own numbers (definitely not right now, I'd like to give it some time and concetrated focus!) Thanks for sharing....

wildchilde	24 Sep 2004
Thank you for sharing Diana! This is certainly an in-depth look at the cards from the numerical perspective. :) I do agree with Rusty Neon, that Colleuil's work has built upon a long historical foundation of using numerology and tarot together. (BTW, RN, thanks for the very cool link!!) I have been using a numerology chart from the Sacred Rose Tarot for several years. And I can attest that these charts DO WORK! They are extremely insightful and help us realize the duality of our natures as human beings, and can also help us understand our family members and friends in relation to ourselves. I feel that which numerological system you use is a matter of personal choice and depth of understanding. Some people are extremely "mathematically inclined", others are not. But that is the beauty of the numerology system. You don't have to be a math whiz to "get it", and if you are then you may find a way (like Colleuil) to go deeper into the system and create even more connections. Congratulations Diana for your part in this! You have done some very fine work and are very generous to share it with the rest of us!

Diana	24 Sep 2004
Quote: Originally posted by tmgrl2 Very interesting...but one does need further information in order to figure out and understand how to go about the process. What is available on his web-site is already a good start and can already yield much information. Be VERY careful to do all the calculations properly! There is a CD-Rom which can do these calculations automatically, which can prevent making silly mistakes. It's in French though. I don't have it, but I would imagine it would not need much knowledge of the language to use it. I will ask him in case anyone is interested.

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