Insider, Spy or Hacker?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 24 Sep 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Flavio	24 Sep 2004
I believe in the theory that Tarot give us information accesing the collective unconsciuous, I was wondering what do you think about how Tarot access such information? as an insider who decided to disclose it, like a spy who manages to obtain confidential information, or as a hacker who says "free information for everyone". Please share your answers for two situations, when you're que Querent and when is someone else.

Moongold	24 Sep 2004
Flavio ~ Insiders, spies and hackers ????? Hehehehehe.... It sounds a bit conspiratorial, wonderful and slightly illegal but would make a great book. Boring, boring, boring ........... but I believe that access to this knowledge is given to us by Grace .... Spirit or Goddess ..... whatever word you use and that if our intentions are not good then the access will not be given in the same way. Moongold

Leleii	24 Sep 2004
I agree with Moongold, I also believe the knowledge is given by grace from the Mother. I think that the knowledge is here, but our minds can't receive it unless we use the cards, Or maybe the cards are an easy way of access our higher self. Good thread Flavio. I think the information is free to anyone who know where to look for it or how to look for it. Or is open to receiving the information... Everything is simple..we just make things complicated....

Umbrae	25 Sep 2004
When I was in the brokerage business, I'd use a three card reading before meeting a new client. They always loved the way I anticipated their needs. Was I a spy? Or an Insider...

Moongold	25 Sep 2004
You were simply using the Tarot for legitimate purposes weren't you? What do I need to know about this client's needs?

Teranar	25 Sep 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Moongold You were simply using the Tarot for legitimate purposes weren't you? [/i] Ummmm... most of the time I do.... ... ... Uhh, I mean... Umm.. I plead the 5th! I won't answer!

Macavity	25 Sep 2004
Years ago, a male friend of mine was engaged to be married. One day the couple had an almighty row and split up. (This was to be episodic!) A few days later, I received a frantic phone call from HER: "Where was Steve?" I was his "Best friend - Was he O.K?" Hmmm... Apparently he was - and dating one of her girlfriends... }) But this couple are now married for 20+ years, with three children. Did she ever know the truth? (There were other indisgressions) I doubt it. But I think this is how I see (many) requests for third party readings. "Does s/he love me?" "Is s/he being (un)faithful?". I don't feel it's MY place to comment - even if I (or the cards) were to "know" better. ;) I believe dialogue between two people (reader/querent) is just fine. I may think (risk calling a friend) a [mild expetive] - As I later did with Steve! But at least, s/he can make up their OWN mind - It may or may not be true, after all! I do sense some querents would be better off with a Pinkerton's detective? Or at least, an ongoing (mutual) communication. But I do sometimes sense the cards wryly suggesting the latter... :D Macavity

VGimlet	25 Sep 2004
I think it's more like an insider who decided to disclose it. I think the querent could be that insider too, if they had the tools. Wherever the info comes from, I think anyone can tap into it - I think most people just don't. And tarot is sort of like the secret words you say to the little window in the speakeasy door to get inside. :P

Cerulean	25 Sep 2004
because none of the themes you suggested works for my ideas or limited experience. When reading, I am not a spy, I am an observer. I am not an insider either, because my observations are external and I have no access to mysterious information inside of another's person heart and head. Nor am I a hacker who pulls out the information from someone's internal processes or mindset. I do believe sometimes the suggestions from the card scenes do cast a quieted and reflective impression, sometimes more like an image reflection from a mirror or camera-- but their angle of projection or reflection is an imperfect screen or story that says "what if". I believe that the scenes or scenario develops in my filmic imagination and then what follows is what I believe will help interpret is a story or scenic film in a relevant way. In this case I am a storyteller, although an imperfect one. When people read my cards, I can see their reflective takes on what they see---but I find their descriptions are a mirror reflection and probably a projection to use as a guide. I've had from different people insightful, excellent readings, but it is more like a friendly conversation or a sharing of thoughts... but nothing so grand or mysterious as the images of spy, hacker or insider seems to suggest to me. I think it's just my lack of understanding of what you are saying. Thanks for the question. It clarified to me how I see 'reading' tarot. Cerulean. ____

blackroseivy	25 Sep 2004
In years past, I had a "thing" going on with someone famous - never mind who or what. I used to "spy" on him with the Tarot cards, because it was the *only* way I could get any answers at *all*. To this day, to *my* mind, this was NOT unethical - in view of all he put me through. Just some thoughts on "spying"...

Diana	25 Sep 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Flavio I believe in the theory that Tarot give us information accesing the collective unconsciuous, I was wondering what do you think about how Tarot access such information? as an insider who decided to disclose it, like a spy who manages to obtain confidential information, or as a hacker who says "free information for everyone". Please share your answers for two situations, when you're que Querent and when is someone else. I don't think it would make any difference as to if you're the querent or if you are the reader. (Is this what you mean by "someone else"?) Also, I found it interesting that you said "How do you think Tarot accesses the information". You didn't say "How do you access the information." I think the Tarot (as opposed to just "Tarot") accesses the information as an insider. Kind of the "all-seeing and all-knowing" - kind of omniscient, right? Now, how we as humans access that insider information is another cup of tea. Like in any insider job, it is useful to have some connections.

Moongold	25 Sep 2004
Hi Flavio ~ The terms you used in your initial post - spy, insider, hacker all have commotations of illegality or activity with problematic ethics. Insider trading here in the stock market is illegal. I thought you were having some fun. :) I don't know whether the Tarot could be used for illegal activities. We've had some discussions here about it being used for "evil" , whatever that means to people. I must go away and do a reading about how I can ........ hmmmmmm .......... win the lottery :D :D :D.

Flavio	27 Sep 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Moongold The terms you used in your initial post - spy, insider, hacker all have commotations of illegality or activity with problematic ethics. Insider trading here in the stock market is illegal. Here is the heart of the question, we know that Tarot by itself do not have problematic ethics, it's the reader the one who can use or misuse the information from the cards. I was just curious to know what do AT members think about Tarot "information retrieving method" to my surprise :) there had been some answers like Cerulean's telling Tarot can be like a friendly conversation. Quote: I thought you were having some fun. :) Part fun and part trying to get candy for the mind... and you said in the first answers it sound conspirational but would make a great book... maybe it's just me and my over active imagination :) Quote: I must go away and do a reading about how I can ........ hmmmmmm .......... win the lottery :D :D :D. In a book from Sylvia Abraham, there is a spread to do that! ;)

Flavio	27 Sep 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Diana I think the Tarot (as opposed to just "Tarot") accesses the information as an insider . Kind of the "all-seeing and all-knowing" - kind of omniscient, right? Agree that the Tarot is an insider with good intentions, but we have to ask in the proper way with the right question to get answers. Quote: Now, how we as humans access that insider information is another cup of tea. Like in any insider job, it is useful to have some connections. Have a connection with Tarot is a very good contact indeed... you're right how the humans handle the information is (and had been) material for another looong thread, anyway it is wonderful the Tarot can provide information no matter our intentions, I think the Tarot always gives us the chance to decide about our next step after the reading.

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