Okay - there's another voice on my tarot tape HELP

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 22 Oct 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

scribe	22 Oct 2004
Hi guys So after my hapless reading with the Psychic Nazi (see vicious spirit guide thread) I go and get a reading with a nice woman. Now, 3/4 through the reading she alerts me that a female ancestor that knew me as a little girl is a guide and loves me very much. Grand mother, great grand mother... she's a singer. This could only be my great grandmother who was a professional singer. However, I retort that I was surprised by this as I have harboured some resentment towards her as I discovered a few years ago she 'allowed' (blind eye) her brother to abuse my grandmother, for 6 years. We discuss this a bit and move on to looking at my writing etc. I get home and play the tape back. Over the discussion about the peadophile and my great gran there are audible sexual groanings and deep breathing. Male. It's faint at first and builds. When we finish (ahem) our conversation about my great gran, it stops. This was a brand new tape out of the packet. The groanings are not audio dropouts (I have a film background) or anything else. They are audible OVER our dialogue. I've replayed it a dozen times. This is truly freaky. Any thoughts guys? Was that bastard, long, long, long dead child molestor in the room?

Tarot Sparrow	22 Oct 2004
If you're serious about this...that is truly freaky. I don't know what to tell you, since I've never experienced anything like that...I hope you figure it out.

scribe	22 Oct 2004
Never been so serious. Now I heard the three big groans from across the room and had to rewind it a bit to hear the earlier faint ones. I might take it to a friend's house. She used to be a radio producer.

Sulis	22 Oct 2004
Quote: I've replayed it a dozen times. This is truly freaky. Any thoughts guys? Was that bastard, long, long, long dead child molestor in the room? It does sound freaky, I don't know what you're really asking for here though - why not take it to a paranormal investigator? Sulis xx

Eco74	22 Oct 2004
I have read that sometimes memories and feelings that we carry with us are so strong that they can invoke responses like sounds and/or poltergiest-type events... Getting in contact with someone who is more knowlegeable in the areas of the paranormal seems like a good idea, as Sulis suggested. Definately freaky... Also the idea you have on checking out the tape is something I'd want to do aswell, just to see if the sound is imposed or just "tape-damage". Paranormal investigators also check things like that out.

Anna	22 Oct 2004
Scribe, this is just my own opinion based around what my guides and experiences with working with guides has taught me. Please take it with a pinch of salt, no offense is intended :) I disagree with the psychic that you had your reading with that your grandmother is one of your spirit guides. I have been told (by my guides) that we have Spirit Guides and we also have Spirit Helpers. They are two sperate groups. Sprit Helpers are our friends and family members that have died. They choose to be with us in our lives because they love us very much and are commited to helping us emotionally and psychologically. Spirit Guides are not family members. Their job is to guide our spiritual development. They are highly evolved souls. Often when people see spirit guides, they think that they have seen an angel. This is because of the incredibly pure white energy that spirit guides have, and the wonderful feeling of love that they bring to us. This is what I have come to believe, and remember, its personal opinions and not facts! The kind of experience that you have with the tape has nothing to do with spirit guides I would say, and it seems important to make that distinction. If your grandmother is around you a lot, prehaps she is trying to communicate a message to you? Prehaps something that will help you to work through your resentment towards here? This happened with my Grandfather acctually. I really disliked this man when he was living, and a friend who is a medium picked up on his energy around me and was able to give me a message from him to say that he wished to be forgiven for the wrong he had done in life, and that he was being helped in the spirit world to grow and change as a soul. So now, I think of my grandfather with a lot of love rather than anger, which I think is just what he had wanted to happen :) I'm not sure about the noises on the tape. It does sound very disturbing indeed. Prehaps this has to do with the message your grandmother is trying to get through to you? I'm not sure. EVP, electronic voice phenomenom is not uncommon. I think that this is how you would describe what was picked up on the tape. If you do some searching on the net, I am sure you will be able to find out more about it! Anyway, thats my thoughts :D

floracove	22 Oct 2004
On the radio this morning our local guys, were talking to a guy who worked at recording voices from cemetaries & haunted places. They gave this site. http://ghostpics.com/ Put, Ghost Voices on recorded tape in the search box. :)

WalesWoman	22 Oct 2004
I am still having chills from your post. I don't think this was your spirit guide either. Your grandmother may be needing some closure or forgiveness, as well as being tied here by your feelings as well as by those who blame her for their abuse. Your strong emotions could have triggered something, a spiritual vibration, summoning an energy that was the manifestation of what happened at that time or even the entity that caused this. All that negative energy about this could be drawing itself to you, like a magnet. Definately get this tape checked out and do some cleansing, get this energy out of your life as soon as possible. I'd also check out this nice woman, and where the location is. Like what is above or below or beside where she does her readings. It may have been something else was going on at the time and you didn't hear it. Just fishing for logical explanations, she could be a real charlaton, with sound effects that go along with what ever her clients start talking about.

Eco74	22 Oct 2004
Digging.. Can't help it, my mind just starts drifting sometimes. Can you somehow look into the past of this great gran you were talking about? Is it possible that she is also tormented by the knowledge now and wants you to know that she knows now? Or even deeper, could it be that her "blindness" was caused by personal experiences being blocked out and this has brought on the weakness that you see in her? Granted, this is not an easy thing to look into and is certainly not the easiest of paths to explore, especially with all that emotional trauma.. But still, IF the tape turns out to be legit (and not damaged tape or noisy neighbours that were not heard at first due to distraction) it might be worth looking into because in many cases knowledge is the only way to disperse these things.. I hope it will all clear itself up soon so you (and your great gran) can find some peace.

SongDeva	22 Oct 2004
ghostvillage .com has evp's as well, and you can even send you tape to some of the community there who will check it out. The voice, if it was EVP, could have been this relative, or it could have been some other discarnate acting up. I will point out that anger and resentment (i.e., fear) are what help this type of spirit to thrive. Yet another good reason to release those emotions from where you (general, collective you) have stored them. They live on fear, are drawn to it, and energetically, at lease from what I understand, anything that is not love is fear. As others have said, cleansing and centering are important. Maybe visit a healing next time, rather than a reader.

scribe	22 Oct 2004
Sorry to sound Valley but this is ICKSVILLE Really. My producer friend kinda declined, but I have some audio engineer friends that perhaps could look at it but... it's on mono magnetic tape... I'm thinking dump the horrible thing. I hoped/thought of the bonking neighbours above shop etc. but it was a noisy place and it's a distinct overlay... I mean our breath was not audible... EEEEEEKKKKK!!! And the SUBJECT MATTER just makes it all the more repulsive. I want to destroy the tape but would like just one other, for witnessing sake, to hear it and then it's history. WalesWoman I sincerely hope your hypothesis is right... I guess I should switch to a paranormal forum now. This is awful. I feel this hideous bloody responsibility to DO something about this tape.

scribe	22 Oct 2004
Quote: Originally posted by SongDeva ghostvillage .com has evp's as well, and you can even send you tape to some of the community there who will check it out. The voice, if it was EVP, could have been this relative, or it could have been some other discarnate acting up. I will point out that anger and resentment (i.e., fear) are what help this type of spirit to thrive. Yet another good reason to release those emotions from where you (general, collective you) have stored them. They live on fear, are drawn to it, and energetically, at lease from what I understand, anything that is not love is fear. As others have said, cleansing and centering are important. Maybe visit a healing next time, rather than a reader. Yeah well I've check out a few of these 'ghost recording' sites and they sound like (sic) the local schizophrenic's ramblings. Dunno. I have to think about what that would achieve. Yes, confirmed, peadophile returns. Should I be expending my time on the sicko? Making him important? I think it's a sign to put down the cards. I'm not scared per se but.... unsettled by this development.

Anna	22 Oct 2004
Scribe, you don't NEED to do anything about the tape, and it isn't your responsiblity to deal with it. I'm not suprised that you feel sick, its really horrible. If you want to destroy the tape, do it. As I said, EVP is a common phenomenon, (if this is EVP), there is lots of evidence already, so desroying the tape won't make any difference to that. Prehaps if you aren't sure, put it away in an envelope somewhere and forget it for now. This isn't your responsiblity!!! And, there could be very real, down to earth, practical explantions for what you hear on the tape.

scribe	22 Oct 2004
Thanks hon. I do know some audio engineers though. Maybe they'll be able to shed some light. It's loud. There's no other explanation. Brand new tape.

wildchilde	22 Oct 2004
Hi Scribe, I have followed your "vicious guide" (who isn't a guide) thread and also have read this jaw dropping thread. I am sorry that you are going through such difficult and scary experiences and hope that you find whatever assistance you need to move beyond these things. Whatever you decide to do to protect yourself and move beyond this is the right thing to do! I just have a few comments if you don't mind my butting in:) Although extremely scary and disconcerting, I think it would be helpful to you to seek out someone who is knowledgable in entities of this sort to help you clear yourself from his energy. (ONLY someone who is knowledgable and trustworthy!!) You are obviously someone who is "open" to this type of energy which means you need to be extra careful about what energy (entities) you are allowing into your personal space and take extra steps to keep out those who wish to do you harm. This is just my "assessment" FWIW, but judging from the opening statement in your vicious guide thread and your experience related here. I believe that the "vicious guide" and the spirit energy on the tape are the same entity. This entity has attached itself to you and caused you a lot of grief and confusion. He is on a "power trip" and will only continue his shenanigans and get stronger the weaker and more afraid you become. (as someone else already pointed out: he is feeding on your energy). Here is the thing, this is what ALL pedophiles do (whether they are alive or dead like this one)...they feed on the spirit energy of the innocent. Perhaps your great-gran coming through to you was trying to warn you of his presence and what he is capable of and let you know that you must take a different road than she did and find the strength to confront him. (again I caution you, NOT to try and confront him alone) If it is any help, maybe you could start considering this "spirit" just like you would a flesh and blood human being...IF this were a flesh person would you allow them to torment you and victimize you in the same ways? No, you wouldn't! But you would be scared and you would have to seek out help and guidance to put a stop to the abuse. To me, the voice heard on the tape is this entity's way of continuing to intimidate you and otherwise "screw with your head", just like he did to his victim(s) when he was alive. Personally, I feel like you should perhaps stop being concerned about having the tape "analyzed" to see if it is "real", and start taking steps to protect yourself and clear this a**hole from your personal space. I wonder if you can go back to the psychic who did this reading and ask for further guidance? Maybe if you explain to her what happened and what you are feeling now, she can help you find the assistance you need? Also, it is important to remember that if you yourself have experienced sexual abuse in your lifetime...you owe it to yourself to seek out psychological/spiritual counseling that feels comfortable and healing to you immediately. It is a difficult and painful reality to confront, but it is not impossible and you can do it and transform your life for the better! I wish you all the best and hope you find something useful from the posts here. One simple but powerful thing you can do right now to try and protect yourself from this energy is to visualize White light all around your person. Envelope yourself and your own spirit within the protection of this light and verbally or mentally state that you are establishing your own personal space and that no other energies are allowed within that space with you without your express consent.

HudsonGray	22 Oct 2004
I think you should play it back to the person who was giving you a reading & get their opinion, then maybe just leave the cassette with them if you don't want it anymore. This way she gets to hear what was in the background, at least. (You're sure it wasn't some sort of setup like what Whoopie Goldberg used in her seance stuff on the movie 'Ghost?').

loveinspirit	22 Oct 2004
im sorry to hear about this tape, it must have made you feel terrible.. and i am going out on a limb here its not something i do normally , i hope it makes sense to you. if no one else understands..... did you like playing with the loo as a child? shoving things down it...if so its ok, , ok i might get kicked off the forum............. but the message on the tape how you heard it, isnt how they meant you to hear it.. some how they give messages scary for some, but they still want to know they are still around... so i can understand your distress it has happened to me before please dont worry about it, it just gives you more stress.

HOLMES	22 Oct 2004
i would take it to your reader in order for her to use her senses on what bleed through in her reading. what i think it is,, is a clue as to why she allowed it, she was abused her self and couldnt relate it to the psychic, so she showed you ,, knowing that you would hear the tape. 1. you know it is real now, 2. you have to learn to protect yourself 3. you got a new understanding of to how she allowed it. (check carefully if you must,, i woudl wager it didnt' start til just around them when you asked how could she let it happen )

scribe	22 Oct 2004
Quote: Originally posted by HudsonGray I think you should play it back to the person who was giving you a reading & get their opinion, then maybe just leave the cassette with them if you don't want it anymore. This way she gets to hear what was in the background, at least. (You're sure it wasn't some sort of setup like what Whoopie Goldberg used in her seance stuff on the movie 'Ghost?'). Howdy I called the reader and she was trying to find a rational explanation for it. She really didn't want to know actually and said "there must be something wrong with the tape. This has never happened before" etc. She didn't give any advice about it and no, she didn't offer to listen to it back. Got rid of me rather quickly. She was certainly blissfully unaware of any bad entities around during the reading, that's for sure. You know, when I was learning tarot, the most pressing question for me was "are there bad spirits?" I guess I'm not that knowledgeable about the differences in the seemingly complex hierarchy of the spirit world. Bad entities, good spirit guides. When there's a baddie around, how can I trust any reading? I don't feel scared... just irked. A sound engineer friend is touring but she gave me another contact. Apparently soundies are all into paranormal audio stuff. Perhaps I'll get a healing/clearing done...

scribe	22 Oct 2004
Quote: Originally posted by HOLMES i would take it to your reader in order for her to use her senses on what bleed through in her reading. what i think it is,, is a clue as to why she allowed it, she was abused her self and couldnt relate it to the psychic, so she showed you ,, knowing that you would hear the tape. 1. you know it is real now, 2. you have to learn to protect yourself 3. you got a new understanding of to how she allowed it. (check carefully if you must,, i woudl wager it didnt' start til just around them when you asked how could she let it happen ) This is sounding plausible actually. It hadn't occurred to me that my greatgran might have been abused by her brother. Perhaps that's what she was trying to tell me. Though, that could have happened in the reading, not this freaky, gross method.

scribe	22 Oct 2004
Quote: Originally posted by wildchilde Hi Scribe, I have followed your "vicious guide" ( who isn't a guide ) thread and also have read this jaw dropping thread. I am sorry that you are going through such difficult and scary experiences and hope that you find whatever assistance you need to move beyond these things. Whatever you decide to do to protect yourself and move beyond this is the right thing to do! I just have a few comments if you don't mind my butting in:) Although extremely scary and disconcerting, I think it would be helpful to you to seek out someone who is knowledgable in entities of this sort to help you clear yourself from his energy. (ONLY someone who is knowledgable and trustworthy!!) You are obviously someone who is "open" to this type of energy which means you need to be extra careful about what energy (entities) you are allowing into your personal space and take extra steps to keep out those who wish to do you harm. This is just my "assessment" FWIW , but judging from the opening statement in your vicious guide thread and your experience related here. I believe that the "vicious guide" and the spirit energy on the tape are the same entity. This entity has attached itself to you and caused you a lot of grief and confusion. He is on a "power trip" and will only continue his shenanigans and get stronger the weaker and more afraid you become. (as someone else already pointed out: he is feeding on your energy). Here is the thing, this is what ALL pedophiles do (whether they are alive or dead like this one)... they feed on the spirit energy of the innocent. Perhaps your great-gran coming through to you was trying to warn you of his presence and what he is capable of and let you know that you must take a different road than she did and find the strength to confront him. ( again I caution you, NOT to try and confront him alone ) If it is any help, maybe you could start considering this "spirit" just like you would a flesh and blood human being...IF this were a flesh person would you allow them to torment you and victimize you in the same ways? No, you wouldn't! But you would be scared and you would have to seek out help and guidance to put a stop to the abuse. To me, the voice heard on the tape is this entity's way of continuing to intimidate you and otherwise "screw with your head", just like he did to his victim(s) when he was alive. Personally, I feel like you should perhaps stop being concerned about having the tape "analyzed" to see if it is "real", and start taking steps to protect yourself and clear this a**hole from your personal space. I wonder if you can go back to the psychic who did this reading and ask for further guidance? Maybe if you explain to her what happened and what you are feeling now, she can help you find the assistance you need? Also, it is important to remember that if you yourself have experienced sexual abuse in your lifetime...you owe it to yourself to seek out psychological/spiritual counseling that feels comfortable and healing to you immediately. It is a difficult and painful reality to confront, but it is not impossible and you can do it and transform your life for the better! I wish you all the best and hope you find something useful from the posts here. One simple but powerful thing you can do right now to try and protect yourself from this energy is to visualize White light all around your person. Envelope yourself and your own spirit within the protection of this light and verbally or mentally state that you are establishing your own personal space and that no other energies are allowed within that space with you without your express consent. Thanks so much everyone for your support. Bloody hell eh. I am not an abuse victim fortunately but thank you for your kind words. Mum was highly vigilant given the family history. I'll get a clearing/healing thingy and take it from there I guess. Although, I'm kinda surprised, if the hypothesis is true, that my powerful spirit guide can't shoo away the pedophile. Forgive me if this is distressing for anyone here. I guess I didn't think.

Diana	23 Oct 2004
scribe: The contents of your two threads (the Vicious Guide one as well as this one) could serve as the background of a novel or a short story. Although as you're a writer, I suppose you have thought of this already... ...

Eco74	23 Oct 2004
Quote: Originally posted by scribe Although, I'm kinda surprised, if the hypothesis is true, that my powerful spirit guide can't shoo away the pedophile. Forgive me if this is distressing for anyone here. I guess I didn't think. Your spirit guide is just that. A Guide and nothing more, which is there to nudge you and guide your spirit on its way towards learning and enlightenment. Your spirit is still in control though, and if you are having trouble hearing your guide over the disturbance your spirit somehow "hangs on to" in its resentment, anger or disappointment there's really not a whole lot your guide can do, until you get past the distortions, tune in to your guide and open yourself up for the communication. The idea of a cleansing/clearing/healing sounds like it will be a step on the way to just that. Clearing off the disturbance and opening yourself up to your true guide.. And as far as 'distressing' goes. What is distressing must be dealt with and dragged out into the light in order for it to be cleared up. We're worried out of concern (hence our somewhat distraught posts) and really do want for you to get past this. Any little thing we can do for you along the way will make us happy and seing you starting to work things through and finding strength to deal with it Somehow (i.e. the way that you feel most comfortable with) is truly wonderful.

MeeWah	23 Oct 2004
As Moderator, I have not stepped in regarding this thread because I have no "proof"--however, can no longer ignore the impressions which strongly indicate misrepresentation nor the implications. Therefore, I am closing this thread & taking full responsibility for my actions. `

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