HOUSES in the tarot

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 07 Nov 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

HOLMES	07 Nov 2004
in a way this is the decanates revisted. this morning as i sat there wondering about numerology and its elemental basis,, i recall how the houses were divide up into certain numbers were passive, and so forth. and that brought back the image of decanates wheel and i was pondering where the houses fit in there and i said AHA. all the two to four of wands are first house , all the 5 to 7 pentacles are second house allt he 8 to 10 swords are third house all the 2 to 4 cups are fourth house all the 5 to 8 wands are fifth house all the 8 to 10 pentacles are six house allt he 2 to four swords are 7 house all the 5 to 7 cups are eight house all the 8 to wands are ninth house all the 2 to 4 pentacles are 10 house all the 5 to 7 swords are 11 house all the 8 to 10 cusp are 12 house. further more queen of wands is 1 12 house and 2 first house knight of pentacles is 1 1 house and 2 2 house king of swords is 1 2 house and 2 3 house queen of cups is 1 3 house and 2 fourth house prince of wands is 1 fourth house and 2 fifth house king of pentacles 1 fifth house and 2 sixth house queen fo swords is 1 sixth house and 2 7 house prince of cups is 1 7 house and 2 8 house king of wands 1 8 house and 2 9 house queen of pentacles 1 9 house and 2 10 house prince of swords is 1 10 house and 2 11 house king of cups is 1 11 house and 2 12 house. in my system we will have all 1 suns, 2 moons, 3 mercurary 4. venus, 5. mars 6.jupiter 7. saturn, 8. uransu, 9 netpune, 10. pluto so for example three of swords, we would get mercuary in aroes. and mars in third house.

Fulgour	07 Nov 2004
Aces : Pluto Twos : Uranus Threes : Neptune Fours : Jupiter Fives: Mars Sixes : Sun Sevens : Venus Eights : Mercury Nines : Moon Tens : Saturn Wands : Aries Cups : Cancer Swords : Libra Pentacles : Capricorn So like the 4 of Cups is "Jupiter in Cancer" and so on through all the cards Ace to Ten... Mark Filipas Review

HOLMES	07 Nov 2004
Aces : Pluto Twos : Uranus Threes : Neptune Fours : Jupiter Fives: Mars Sixes : Sun Sevens : Venus Eights : Mercury Nines : Moon Tens : Saturn for the planets the planets i think he came up with were additions to the planets associated by the golden dawn with the spheres of the tree of life and not the decanates themselves. the standarized planets assocations made me question it and look further to why it was differnt from golden dawn. the system of houses refers to the golden dawn decanates system which i seen in wang qabalistic tarot which uses astrology and not qabbalah to come up with the planets in the signs. of course later on he gets into the sephiroth themselves however this system of houses doenst' use the sephiroth. but the natal chart for every house in the postion of aries on the decantes is house number one regardless of sign assocatied there in the signs. it is just that the golden dawn ended up making it aries. the signs . it would be harder to use the house system with these root elemental sign unless the four of cups was still in the decante wheel as the four of cups in the golden dawn tarot. upon which the four of cups would still be the fourth house, jupiter in the fourth house, and jupiter in cancer . where as golden dawn would have it four of cups , moon in cancer, moon in fourth house.

Fulgour	12 Nov 2004
The structure of the Tarot includes the three design elements: Organic, Geometric, and Abstract. Each only takes you so far.

HOLMES	12 Nov 2004
The structure of the Tarot includes the three design elements: Organic, Geometric, and Abstract. Each only takes you so far. what does that have to do with the houses,, if i am correct in understanding,, you are putting houses, decanates assoctions in with these things and saying it can only take you so far ? since there hasnt' been any work on how these houses can colour a minor tarot card ,, i would say it can take you pretty far in increased tarot knowledge, and awareness. now please explain for me what you mean by organic tarot, geometric tarot and abstract tarot, (on a side note i wonder how a philopshical tarot would work eheh )

Fulgour	12 Nov 2004
By using organic components to create a geometric pattern, you may find that the end result will be an abstract concept.

HOLMES	13 Nov 2004
for me what i am talking about is an abstract concept for in my limited materials of some 25 book (give or take,, i am too lazy to go count them eheh ) i haven't seen any minor card associated with any house for any readings. perhaps taking an abstract concept , putting it into geometric pattern will end up in with real organic componets with which to read the tarot. lol beats me what i just said.. my gut feeling tells me this can work.. what i need to find out is if the postions of the signs around the decantes were this standard before golden dawn.

HOLMES	13 Nov 2004
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-decanates.htm good description of decanates, however ,, the golden dawn system,(and toth and waite) seems to keep the decantes 1,2,3, aries while this system has it more mixed up.. http://www.supertarot.co.uk/ootk/ootk4.htm the super tarot people or person has arrived at the conclusion.. perhaps it is plain as the nose on my head. is then the standard to do the first sign like in the first link, then the second sign, and the third sign ? confusing .. """The first decanate of any sign corresponds to to the sign being studied so that the first deanate of Aries will relate to Aries. The second Decanate of any sign takes on the characteristics of the next sign in the same element and hence the second decanate for Aries is Leo. The third decanate of any sign is the last sequential sign within the same element and so for Aries it would be Sagittarius.""" of course of the system of houses,,it wouldnt' matter for the cards themselves would still deal with the first house , whatever three we put in decanates 1,2,3. edited to add,, looking at this system further on two differnt websites, it is clear it goes from aries, leo , saggiturs, then from leo , saggitaus, then aries,, then sag, aries, leo.. which would make the wands,, 2,aries, 3 leo , 4, sag, 5, leo, 6, sag, 7 aries 8, sag, 9, aries, 10 leo. however it is the system of triplicities, and not the ancient system, so that is why the golden dawn didnt' use it,, for it is a new system of decanates assocations,, , how can a person born under aries have leo after all.... unless it is aries , aries, and aries and leo.. which would make it more personal. stay tuned for in two years i shall study astrology lol

Fulgour	14 Nov 2004
12 Houses = Fire Water Earth Air Cardinal Fixed Mutable Aries = Mars Leo = Sun Sagittarius = Jupiter Cancer = Moon Scorpio = Mars Pisces = Jupiter Libra = Venus Aquarius = Saturn Gemini = Mercury Capricorn = Saturn Taurus = Venus Virgo = Mercury

Fulgour	14 Nov 2004
Why not try "adopting" the planet Venus for a year or so? Keep track of what Zodiac House she is passing through and who is keeping her company. Occasional companions of Venus are Jupiter, Mars, Saturn, and the Moon, though she will sometimes cross paths with the Sun and Mercury. Right now Venus is in Libra, dazzlingly paired with Jupiter. Mars is coming up, moving through Scorpio, presently the location of the Sun ~ while Mercury has taken one of his unusual little trips, and is off in Sagittarius with the Moon. Saturn, you will be happy to note, is in the sign of Cancer, though of course that is in fact the constellation of Gemini. Look for Castor and Pollux. Do please say "Hello" for me.

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