reading for a clone

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 02 Dec 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

jumptothemoonyea	02 Dec 2004
Hello, I would like to ask a question: assuming there are human clones (or soon to be), or partially/completely genetically engineered human beings how would reading for them be different from reading for/about regular human being would the energies be the same? thank you

Flavio	02 Dec 2004
What a strange question but interesting question!. I think a reading for a clone would be the same as for any other human beign because: :OL This clone has the right to make its own choices, so she/he can change her/his destiny, Tarot readings are not written in stone... not even for clones. :OL A clone is supposed to be an independent copy of the "original beign", it would only be a physical copy, the mind and feelings of that clone would be different, do you have any worry reading for twins? they are physically the same but they don't act or feel the same way. ADDED: I believe a Tarot reading can be given to anyone or anything that have an identity whether natural or given like people reading for pets, this is a little bit off topic (I think) but I have even read for a puppet, of course from a fun point of view.

April	02 Dec 2004
I hope this is something that never have to deal with in real life. Do you mean is the energy different from someone who is not a clone, or do you mean different from the energy of the person they were cloned FROM? If you mean the former... thery're still a human being with a soul, and I assume they act and react the same as the rest of us. Is the energy different for a "test tube baby"? The latter... That's not any different than reading for twins, some similarities and some differences in the reading depending on their life paths. This is purely speculation as I have never read for a clone. I don't think science change spirit (or whatever you might call it). Peace, April

jmd	02 Dec 2004
I'm sure I've read for clones... (or perhaps that's 'clowns'... I'll have to think about this one) To be sure, reading for different individuals is just that: reading for different individuals. Even reading for the same individual at different times, or sequentially, will reveal different things. Readings for indentical twins should not influence the reading simply because they are identical twins. But I suspect there is a different unstated aspect to the opening question, in that what is also being considered is that a human being developed out of cloned cells is intrinsically different - somewhat as implied in a film from the 1980s or early 90s I simply do not recall the title of. There, the assumption is somewhat that a human clone is no more than a robotic piece of flesh without the equivalent human capacities that we each have. It remains 'programmed' for various tasks only, acting and seemingly believing itself to be as human as everyone else. In such a scenario, the very question about what a human being actually is becomes centrally important. To be sure, human beings are somewhat more than what I described above: they are essentially, in my view at least, spiritual beings in a process of incarnation and discarnation, progressively over long periods of time showing transformations towards further awakening in ever higher spiritual realms. A 'clone', in this case, is no more than a means by which to prepare a vehicle for the incarnation of a spiritual being. As such, we may seriously question whether we have the skills by which to alter another's vehicle. In terms of reading for someone inhabiting such a body, however, is there a reason to seriously think the reading would be significantly different? Another question that may be raised with related considerations is whether or not it is possible for a non-human to incarnate in a human vehicle (body). At the very least, Christians would indeed view this as feasible (Christ being the ultimate example) - yet even there one would have to consider that there are spiritual constraints in place that safeguards the process. If we get to the unfortunate stage of cloning human life, I would consider that the vehicle is not for whom I am reading, but the incarnated spiritual being who inhabits that body - as for any other reading.

Vincent	02 Dec 2004
jumptothemoonyea wrote: Hello, I would like to ask a question: assuming there are human clones (or soon to be), or partially/completely genetically engineered human beings how would reading for them be different from reading for/about regular human being would the energies be the same? thank you I'm not sure what 'energies' you might be referring to, but it does raise some questions if we expand it. Is there any reason that readings should be limited to humans? Many people have done readings for pets and animals, but once again is there any reason it should be limited to animals; why not plants or objects. Not long ago, I saw someone waving a crystal over a book in an occult bookstore. I didn't ask her what she was doing, but I assumed she was trying to gain some insight as to whether the particular book was going to be of value to her. And, even though I believe that divination might be the most accurate way of gaining that knowledge, it seems that Tarot might make an equally accurate assessment of a book's worth. The logical extension is of course; is there any reason why we should perform readings for only tangible objects? Can we ask the Tarot about the nature of Love, Truth, or the meaning of life?; can we inquire as to the nature of Tarot, what makes it work, or indeed whether it does 'work'?; can we ask it why there is 'something', instead of 'nothing'? And, if it cannot answer, can we ask it why not? Vincent

Fulgour	02 Dec 2004
Come, weigh me the weight of the fire or measure me the measure of the wind or recall me the day that is past.

jumptothemoonyea	03 Dec 2004
thanks eeveryone for helping me with this confusing subject as jmd correctly noticed jmd wrote: But I suspect there is a different unstated aspect to the opening question, in that what is also being considered is that a human being developed out of cloned cells is intrinsically different it is the absence of ANY energies that bothers me - no ehteric, no astral, no spirit - as some people think. what to tune in? when reading? nothing? :)

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