Boss caught me reading

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 04 Jan 2005, and now archived in the Forum Library.

bladeraven	04 Jan 2005
Ugh..had to share this with ya'll...was at work and during lunch a coworker wanted me to do a reading so I did...and another coworker decided, hey she'll get her reading done to...so we're sitting there and talking and my cards and book was out and my boss came by and was not happy... He pretty much freaked is actually a better term...and kept telling me..put them away put them away...uhm okay...so I did. I was so rattled the rest of the day after lunch...I told the ladies..sorry but if you want me to read...I'll just do it after work somewhere else and not during lunch anymore....

WalesWoman	04 Jan 2005
What an unnerving experience...atleast it was on your lunch break and not on company time! EEKS!

bladeraven	04 Jan 2005
what bothered me the most was...I've had my bible wide open on numerous occassions and it was no big deal...yet..I'm discussing the tarot and have a book explaining what it was about...and he freaks...yet hours later engages in "guy humor" with the other guys...GRRR....

dadsnook2000	04 Jan 2005
You are in Texas. George Bush country. Don't they hang people there for doing things that are a little wierd? You need to move to a Blue State. Ha. Perhaps he was worried about clients seeing you read Tarot. Large companies anywhere also tend to be conservative. As far as work goes, we often have to compromise -- or leave. I know how you feel. But, then, I've left a lot of companies. Dave.

bladeraven	04 Jan 2005
lol...true...where I am ...it's away from clients..though I would think they would be offended I leave my bible wide open...lol.. I think what irk me was this was at lunch too....I could see if I was supposed to be working on the big report and decide to let the Fates type it up for me...lol

jmd	04 Jan 2005
Can someone's supervisor or employer tell an employee what they may do or not do during that person's lunchtime????? Where are we heading?

Lurea	04 Jan 2005
If it's on company property, YES. I work for a Catholic hospital, and there's loads of things you are absolutely not allowed to do on hospital property. (Like mention the word 'abortion'.) I would never dare to do a reading at work, even on my break. And only one person at work even KNOWS I read Tarot.

Thirteen	04 Jan 2005
This makes me angry--and there really should be something you can do about it. Frankly, what if it was part of *your religion*? Some of us include Tarot as a part of our religious rituals. If an employee is allowed to pray or read the Bible during lunch, they should also be allowed to read tarot cards (unless, of course, you're charging money for it--then it's business). I would call this religious discrimination among other things. The only question is, is this a temporary job or is this your career. If career, and you're going to be under this guy for a while, you might want to look into what you can do about it--because he would now seem to have an open bias against you. If it's just a temporary job, well, it's still wrong but might be more trouble than it's worth to fight it.

bladeraven	04 Jan 2005
It's a career...and this is the kicker ...I have OPENLY read and study my bible out in the open....and yet...I was discussing the tarot with a co-worker who was curoius..which was why I brought my cards to work...He (boss) knew my degree (30 hours short but still) is in anthropology...I had a book explaining the significance of the Tarot.... I understand he's a Christian..so I am but I'm sorry..but if I can read and study my bible OUT in the open and that's more likely to offend EVERYONE...I think that's wrong...and to top it off...there's a freaking flyer for BIBLE STUDIES...It's not like I posted outside my cube...tarot readings at lunch... Lol..okay I maybe the only Christian to complain about this..but I don't think it's fair I can read/study my bible out in the open...there's freaking flyers for bible studies...and he freaks because of ONE minor incident....Not only that..during halloween..the place is plaster from roof to floor with not so Christian symbols and ideas...GRRRRRRRRRRRRR

bladeraven	04 Jan 2005
if he says anything about it tomorrow, I'm going to tell him...my coworker found out my degree was in anthropology, I took a Folklore class and a class called Magic, Witchcraft and superstition (all true), I told her about my tarot deck and how it interplay with what I've learned and learning and she wanted to see them...I waited till lunch and not during a big meeting (no not going to be sarcastic..lol)..and showed them to her then...oh well...

Dark Inquisitor	04 Jan 2005
dadsnook2000 wrote: You are in Texas. George Bush country. Don't they hang people there for doing things that are a little wierd? You need to move to a Blue State. Ha. None of that!! I live in a "Blue State" and people here are just as bad. It's just the state of things as they are. Christians have the advantage in most circumstances , but not all. And they think nothing of it either. Legally it may be acceptable to read tarot during breaks, or there may be certain sticky company policies prohibiting all kinds things. One never knows, and it's a person by person thing usually. It just ends up being better to keep the cards private until you know for sure, unless you are looking for some excitement and don't mind vicious gossip and rumors being spread about you. I don't think you owe the boss any explanations at all. It is really none of his business. And he is probably not going to accept your views on it if his mind is already closed. It would be nice if he would accept you for the good person you have shown yourself to be and trust that.

bladeraven	04 Jan 2005
*nod* for me I felt it was a huge conflict...and imposing personal views..I read and study my bible during lunch...there are fliers for bible study (not a christian based company) and as an afterthought..during a lot of business conversations and even just in passing during work..he would talk about Christian related matters to me..such as turning to the Bible for solace...etc. You know what...even today...he took the coworker to another room to pray with her come to think of it...yet I had done what I did during lunch and even then...to answer questions she had.....she wanted to look at them because she wouldn't have had access at any other time and was curious...She knew as well as everyone else I was a Christian...they've seen my bible (should bring stephen king next time like my boss and coworker's like to read)... Come to think of it..not even going to bother finishing up my bible study during lunch...I know I do have a Stephen King book somewhere or I'll borrow my boss's book since he's finish with his...lol..it's just actually silly though...lol I take a 30 minute lunch..I read I eat...then I go back to work...he's complained I need to be more social...LOL...Unfortunately I just happen to have an A.A. in Sociology, pending B.A> in Anthropology, and I'm a Christian Freak...lol This is the same guy who goes to the bar afterwork when my boss boss..treat's our floor department to drinks at the local bar..and to top it off..I don't even go to the bar..I don't drink...yet..he goes there and gets tipsy...Lol..I just think it's really funny and moronic..

Dark Inquisitor	04 Jan 2005
It's kind of interesting to watch taboos mutate. Maybe one could stand up at work and announce that one was an alcoholic, or an adulterer, or had once gone to prison for some lesser crime. But read the tarot ? EEEEEEK !

Corso	04 Jan 2005
I myself am from Texas, so I understand. People around here do seem to freak out a little. After all, it's not in the bible belt for nothing. In my business, when a client comes over to pick up a book, and generally sees my deck on my desk, they tend to cut the chatting a little short to get out faster. My boss on the other hand is much more... open minded, but that's because he was born and raised in New Orleans(and he also happens to be my fiance) I understand how you felt though. It's either a game to most people, or a huge taboo sin. *sigh*

bladeraven	04 Jan 2005
Lol..no kidding...just the more I thought about it..it's really moronic..I didn't do anything wrong..I wasn't gambling...I wasn't drinking alcohol (like a few managers and co-workers have openly done during christmas holiday)...my boss goes to the local bar when the dept boss treats us all..yet he and everyone notes that I don't go to the bar...and that I spend too much time working and less socializing..lol I should have a sign that says..i can either be social or anti-social..pick one and leave it at that...lol but still..more and more that I think of it...it was moranic...coworkers have played hand held video games at their desk during lunch...played on Ebay..and I was giving *gasp* a rehash of a college course using my cards...lol and not only taht...*gasp* he heard me talking about maybe my coworker should *gasp* consider turning to God more (she's catholic).. I guess praying before I eat my lunch should be stopped too??

Rosanne	04 Jan 2005
Have you seen or ever played Cards in your Lunch Break? Does your Boss ever toss a coin to see who is paying at the Bar for Drinks? Methinks he protesteth too much... maybe he is really wanting a reading.. or maybe you can offer a talent swap, one reading for one 'being prayed for'. Anyway it is a trial to have a new soul as a Boss. He has many a journey to live through yet; you can take solace from that. Regards Rosanne

bladeraven	04 Jan 2005
actually this is my first and probrably only time to show my cards at work...it was more to appease a curious co-worker...they are in my purse all my time though...I usually try to refrain from carrying my cards around work with me...(lol I can't be sarcastic like this at work)... As for my boss..he's flip coins...said let's conjure a miracle, etc. etc...I personally think he over reacted...If I was showing porn to the coworker..then yeah...he could have said something...but I really think he over reacted and shouldn't have been so ....excited for lack of a better word... It really bugged me he kept saying..put them up put them up and that one (book) too....so I guess tomorrow I can't read my bible...seriously going to find a non offensive book to read during lunch...like Lady Chatterly's Lover.....LOL

Corso	04 Jan 2005
Ah, Lady Chatterly's Lover... Right, that wont raise a few eye brows. ;) But you know what they say, people are afraid of what they don't understand.

Dark Inquisitor	05 Jan 2005
The next time I saw the boss I would be very tempted to stick up a couple of fingers over my head and silently mouth something incomprehensible at him, just to see how far he would jump. But then, I don't have to work there. Do you think he will start a prayer group effort against your tarot reading to influence you to see the error of your ways?

Maggie Bell	05 Jan 2005
Trade a reading for a prayer ... see how that goes over. Shaking my head in disgust and sympathy, Maggie PS Where I work, "guy" humor is a big no-no ... I think the law calls it Sexual Harassment.

ncefafn	05 Jan 2005
Dark Inquisitor wrote: It would be nice if he would accept you for the good person you have shown yourself to be and trust that. A recent study conducted in both blue and red states included the question, "Is it more important to believe in God and the right religion than to be a good person?" Fifty-nine percent of those polled in the red states answered "yes." Brace yourself: Forty-seven percent of those polled in blue states answered "yes" as well. This is the US. Tolerance is not our strong suit, unless the person requesting tolerance is exactly like us.

Shade	05 Jan 2005
Maybe it's just because I'm a Californian and don't ahve as much trouble in this arena, but I think I would force the issue. I would make it clear that during my lunch break I could do any activity I chose and my boss has no place telling me otherwise while I'm on the clock. This is probably more abrasive than most people would do and I understand that, but I think it is important to not let people go too far with you.

Aoife	05 Jan 2005
bladeraven wrote: actually this is my first and probrably only time to show my cards at work...it was more to appease a curious co-worker... A few days ago you said: "I had a coworker whom I read for a few days ago, that was a born again Christian...She kept telling me..I shouldn't be near them or around them and it really sparked a very wonderful conversation between her and I.." So its known by some in your workplace that you're interested in tarot. And you're aware that some colleagues do not understand tarot and may perceive it to be incompatible with their religious beliefs. So I'm curious why you wanted your boss to know. You could have predicted how your boss would react? Yet you seem both angry and worried about the repercussions. So what really lies behind your decision?

Fudugazi	05 Jan 2005
Lurea_aure wrote: If it's on company property, YES. I work for a Catholic hospital, and there's loads of things you are absolutely not allowed to do on hospital property. (Like mention the word 'abortion'.) I would never dare to do a reading at work, even on my break. And only one person at work even KNOWS I read Tarot. What about the much-vaunted freedom of expression? I don't think property rights exceeds this - it's an unalienable right of the indvidual. Reading tarot cards and books or defending abortion are both freedom of expression issues, wherever they take place. Lurea_aure, there a Catholic priest on this forum who has posted on one of the "Christian and tarot" threads - he reads tarot, and sees no contradiction. Tarot has its roots in Christian medieval Europe after all. Bladeraven, your boss sounds like a thoroughly unpleasant individual, phallocratic as well as intolerant and dictatorial. Are you sure you want to continue working in a place that does not support your spiritual path? Edited to add: I just saw this was my 500th post! I'm very glad I reached that auspicious figure in a post defending freedom of expression and the right to read tarot :D

lunalafey	05 Jan 2005
If I was you, I'd get the company rulebook and educate myself. Once that's done. Do as you will and are allowed. If you have problems, document them, and refer to rulebook and follow proper procedure; filing a report or what ever. If you get fired or demoted or anything because of your interests; sue them for lots of money!;) I don't think it was right for anyone to restict what you do during your break time. As pointed out- there is really no difference in the Bible & Tarot.

Alta	05 Jan 2005
Hi bladeraven, This happened overnight for me, so I just saw it. I realize that I am going against the general tide here. I think you should leave your cards home from now on. Don't make any comments. Continue Bible study if that is acceptable. This is your career and he is in a position to make you very unhappy with your job. Keep in mind that bosses generally don't stay forever. Your other option is to leave and find a more open working environment. Anger and resentment of your boss will make the working relationship difficult. Continued feelings of oppression will also make you feel bad. You have to make a decision. Accept it or leave. Anything else just turns into the equivalent of poison creating talk and thoughts. Just my two cents. Worked for a lot of bosses in my life.

Moongold	05 Jan 2005
I agree with Marion. It is simply a matter of being strategic. What battles do you really need to fight? Maybe this is not one of them.

Fudugazi	05 Jan 2005
I also agree with Marion and Moongold. Given the moral and rights issues - and these are strong - you have a clear choice, which is both strategic and spiritual. Whatever you choose to do, stay and keep your cards at home, or leave for a more congenial environment, don't let the atmosphere where you are get poisonous, your peace of mind would be the first to suffer.

Waterdancer	05 Jan 2005
I am a lawyer so I can tell you that under the First Amendment and also under Title VII (which applies to the Federal government and most large companies) you absolutely have the right to display religious or spiritual objects in your workspace and to discuss religion or spiritual matters at lunch. If there is an open bulletin policy you have the right to post notices about prayer meetings. Catholic hospitals may be exempt from Title VII, I am not sure. However, just having certain rights doesn't mean that there won't be negative consequences if you exercise them. If it were really important to you to bring out your cards at work, it might be worth taking a stand. If it is just an annoyance, I might not be willing to fight it. If your boss threatens you. I would look to see if Title VII applies to your workplace.

SunChariot	05 Jan 2005
Wow, I am sure that was rather startling when he reacted that way! Poor you.:-( There is a big difference between the Bible and the Tarot to some people. Some people see them as opposites. They see the Bible as being associated with G-d and the Tarot as being associated with the Devil. Judging from your boss' reaction I would bet he is one of them. And yes it really is silly. I cannot imagine ever associating the Tarot with anything negative. It is so full of light and joy. It is the tool that most keeps me feeling enlightened and connected to the world and everyone. Well, it's just his loss, Bar

SunChariot	05 Jan 2005
Thirteen wrote: This makes me angry--and there really should be something you can do about it. Frankly, what if it was part of *your religion*? Some of us include Tarot as a part of our religious rituals. If an employee is allowed to pray or read the Bible during lunch, they should also be allowed to read tarot cards (unless, of course, you're charging money for it--then it's business). I would call this religious discrimination among other things. The only question is, is this a temporary job or is this your career. If career, and you're going to be under this guy for a while, you might want to look into what you can do about it--because he would now seem to have an open bias against you. If it's just a temporary job, well, it's still wrong but might be more trouble than it's worth to fight it. I love the way you said that: "Some of us include Tarot as a part of our religious rituals". I never stopped to think of it in those terms, but maybe it is that to me. I'm glad you put that thought into my head. :-) I do feel when doing a reading that I am connecting to G-d, that the answers come from there. It is quite a spiritual, religious kind of experience. Although I have always been quite a spiritual person, but never very religious. Tarot may be my only religious ritual. :-) Bar

DeLani	05 Jan 2005
Waterdancer wrote: I am a lawyer so I can tell you that under the First Amendment and also under Title VII (which applies to the Federal government and most large companies) you absolutely have the right to display religious or spiritual objects in your workspace and to discuss religion or spiritual matters at lunch. If there is an open bulletin policy you have the right to post notices about prayer meetings. Catholic hospitals may be exempt from Title VII, I am not sure. However, just having certain rights doesn't mean that there won't be negative consequences if you exercise them. If it were really important to you to bring out your cards at work, it might be worth taking a stand. If it is just an annoyance, I might not be willing to fight it. If your boss threatens you. I would look to see if Title VII applies to your workplace. Here, here, Waterdancer. Of course no-one can make this decision for you, but I'm seeing a lot of "just leave your cards at home, don't make a fuss" type advices here....come on now people! How do you think fascism takes hold? By people just rolling over, just taking it, when their rights are violated. If you don't stand up for your rights, you won't have them anymore. Today it's the pissy boss freaking out over a lunchtime Tarot discussion, tomorrow it's bookstores refusing to carry "the devil's picture book," then I guess it's "fire up the ovens." If you don't stand up for your own rights, who will? BTW - I think Catholic hospitals are exempt because they are specifically religious organizations. If your company isn't a certified non-profit religious organization, I believe you still have rights. Stand firm, friend. May the spirit be with you.

RufusJ	05 Jan 2005
Hmmm... I wouldn't do anything differently than you already have up until now and wait to see if anything happens. This may be a hiccup in your work life, or it may be the beginning of an .. interesting .. time. Do whatever it is you would normally have done if this hadn't happened. Keep your eyes and ears open though. Y'know, maybe I have a paranoid personality or something but is it possible this was a set up? I mean, how "fortuitous" that your boss walked by right at that time. Unless it's normal for him to be doing that (walking past you every day in the cafeteria kind of thing) I'd wonder about the timing of it.

MeeWah	05 Jan 2005
I live & work in an area that is dominated by ultra-conservative mores. For me, the practice of Tarot is part of my spiritual life & also a part-time job. Whilst I am not aggressive about my beliefs/allegiances nor do I publicize them, I do bring my cards to work with me as I work on readings during my breaks & occasionally for co-workers. Some work associates know of my "side" job & have been/are private clients. I avoid discussion of the non work-related whence on-duty to prevent any appearance of the inappropriate & in view of the responsibility of my position--I lead a department. I am conscious of not only my personal rights as an employee but as a representative of middle-management. I have my own office but choose to not display any personal objects in order to maintain a strictly business atmosphere & also due to its lack of real security. The last unavoidable since the office serves as command-post electronic-wise & must remain accessible to management & certain other employees. There are broad employer-employee relations that are duly observed according to the company policy & which are generally shared by most companies; however, some employers are more aware or conscientious. The observation of law also depends on the individuals charged with their enforcement which may not be wholly appropriate for whatever reason. Some companies provide sensitivity training for management regarding employer-employee relations which my company does; however, I notice the applications of relationship-related directives differ from location to location &/or according to the management personel in place. I have worked for numerous management individuals & teams over the course of many years & seen the extremes from the respectful applications to the outright & flagrant violations. As the company is union (though I am not a member I am still under the auspices of the union contract), in the event of a lack the union may be prevailed upon to ensure that certain individual rights in the workplace are not fringed upon, but most situations that arise at my location seem to be of other than freedom of speech. Each individual must determine the ethics & the practicality of adhering to any private affiliations in an employer environment. Such an environment can constitute private property & subject to the proprietor's discretion.

Fudugazi	05 Jan 2005
DeLani wrote: I'm seeing a lot of "just leave your cards at home, don't make a fuss" type advices here....come on now people! How do you think fascism takes hold? By people just rolling over, just taking it, when their rights are violated. If you don't stand up for your rights, you won't have them anymore. Today it's the pissy boss freaking out over a lunchtime Tarot discussion, tomorrow it's bookstores refusing to carry "the devil's picture book," then I guess it's "fire up the ovens." If you don't stand up for your own rights, who will? I would be careful about what comparisons are made. Petty tyrants have always been with us - no doubt even in the caves they had them! - and alway will be. They exist in offices, families, clubs, churches, you name it. That's a far cry from Auschwitz, unless the whole system is set up to support petty tyrants and give them absolute control - and thus turn them into big tyrants. Against that we must always be vigilant. With petty tyrants we must do our best to disarm and undermine them. Question their diktats. And not stay in their sphere of infuence. I'll be the first to go to the barricades to fight fascist views, wherever they are found; similarly, bullying in offices is a real problem and must be resisted. But one must fight smart and appropriately to the problem at hand. Since it is a private company that is in question (am I right, Bladeraven?) then it might be more intelligent to leave and join a company that does not hold such views, and, in leaving, make the point that that is the reason, and even, possibly, go public - e.g. write to the local paper, so people can find out what kind of company it is (phallocratic, intolerant, etc.). There are many ways to skin a cat...or rock a boat!

Greyling	05 Jan 2005
Turning to the unknown for answers manifests itself in many different behaviors. You said that your boss flips coins, asks for miracles. I'm sure this has been mentioned here before, but a good many Christians practice--whether knowingly or not--bibliomancy with their Bibles. They let the book fall open to a page and look for answers in whatever verse their eyes land upon. Accordingly, they will often act on the advice they infer from those words. (Sounds a little familiar. We say tarot cards are just pieces of paper. So are the pages of a Bible.) In their minds, this is acceptable because they are seeking guidance in what they believe is the word of God. However, they have been taught to distrust people who seek answers in ordinary or contrived objects, such as tarot cards. I'm not accusing your boss of practicing bibliomancy. He may or may not. Many people do it rather unconsciously. I'm just offering it up as a congruent example. Anyway. Advice! You could always light a card on fire, stick it in your mouth, and say you were taking a smoke break.

Moongold	05 Jan 2005
Greyling wrote: Anyway. Advice! You could always light a card on fire, stick it in your mouth, and say you were taking a smoke break. He may regard that as even more inflammatory than Tarot reading :)

miss_apples	05 Jan 2005
I used to read my cards at work all the time. The only problem I had was people kept asking me for readings and it became tiresome. I guess if I was in your situation I would politely ask your boss why he thinks reading tarot on your lunchbreak is a problem. That way he can tell you his issues on the subject, you can tell him yours, and maybe you can come to an understanding. Ask him if there are any rules against stuff like that and ask him if he could please show you the page in the employee handbook where it says so. If he is still being a meanie about it after you try and be nice and continues to tell you to put those away without giving you a feasable explanation, then you can pull them out constantly at will plus complain everytime you see anyone else doing anything "religious"...lol. j/k...dont do that.

Nevada	05 Jan 2005
BladeRaven, The decision whether to fight this or not is entirely up to you, and it's a choice. I think it's important to look at it that way, no matter how angry it makes you or how much fear it causes you. There are some things that are worth fighting for and others that aren't. You have to weigh all the factors. How much would fighting it affect your employment security or chance for advancement, and on the other hand, how much does the boss's attitude really hurt you? Everything in life is a tradeoff. It's fine to say that everyone should have freedom of expression, yet there are friends and family with whom we choose not to discuss certain things because we just don't want the heartache that would be caused by the dispute. I knew a woman once who had been a fun and lighthearted coworker and moved on to work at another place where she came up against sexual harrassment of the worst kind. She fought it. And she was miserable, very depressed, the next time I heard about her. She was like a whole different, and very miserable, person. In that case I think she was in an intolerable situation either way, if she put up with it, and when she fought it. But in that case I think she was right to fight. But your situation is not the same, you haven't been put in an intolerable position, even though it is somewhat shocking, angering and limits your behavior and expression to some extent. Fighting it could cause a worse problem, though. So you have to ask yourself what this is worth to you. Pick your fights. lunalafey wrote: If I was you, I'd get the company rulebook and educate myself. This is good advice, and good information to know, no matter what you decide! Nevada

HudsonGray	05 Jan 2005
Wow, totally different than when I brought one of my decks to work to let a co-worker see what tarot was. Her daughter wanted to get into it and the mom needed to be ok with it first, so we went over the deck during lunch hour. She took it back to her section afterwards, to keep trying small readings, so it did cut into the work day, but it was a slow day & nobody complained. She, and the other person working in shipping AND the guy from Finance all spent over an hour of time each with the deck doing readings on their own. Nobody complained, nobody got upset it was tarot. No fuss at all. Not at all like the time I was doing a part time job at the City Clerk's office in Brookfield and had brought in a bag of catnip for a co-worker. The police dept. was hooked onto the building so just as I handed the zip lock baggie over in the lunch room in walks this officer with his side arm & stops dead....Geez! Well, he knew what pot smelled like & this wasn't it. I actually ended up bringing in a bag of the stuff for his cat too, the next day. But talk about being 'busted' on something that was legal!

Maggie Bell	05 Jan 2005
Re: a good many Christians practice--whether knowingly or not--bibliomancy with their Bibles. They let the book fall open to a page and look for answers in whatever verse their eyes land upon. My great grandmother was a powwow and she used the Bible for spell working all the time. Also invoked the name of Jesus Christ to stop bleeding and so forth. She was a devout woman. Maggie

WolfSpirit	05 Jan 2005
I agree with Nevada: though you are in your right to fight for your freedom of expression, you don't have to - you are also free to let it go. It may also be a matter of how much your co-workers want to back you up, or if you will end up all alone. And if you can handle this alone, or want to. Maybe it will feel more like freedom to you to leave tarot out of the work place completely - after all, it is just a working situation, not soul mates who you feel you have to share everything with. Maybe your co-workers are ok to work with, but just not compatible to tarot - maybe then it is not worth it to jeopardize a good work relationship, even though it is your right to do so if you want to - it is really up to you. If you would like to do something for the promotion of a better understanding of tarot, you can do that in your spare time too, when you are in a less vulnerable position than in a work situation, where you can't get out of when you want to and depend on financially. HudsonGray - that catnip story was so funny :D

HudsonGray	05 Jan 2005
LOL, I felt like a drug dealer! It was one of those gallon size zip lock baggies!

MeeWah	05 Jan 2005
HudsonGray's account reminds me of an incident at work after the manager of another department handed me a small jar of home-grown dried rosemary during a break. We share an interest in gardening & cultivating house plants. The day before she had promised to bring some rosemary. Almost as soon as I took it, I was summoned to the head mgr's office, where both the head mgr & his ass't were sitting at his desk. I immediately knew I had been watched. They demanded I hand the jar over. I was furious, but limited myself to stating "That is rosemary, an herb." They ignored me & took turns examining the jar & opening it. Then they sat back & stared at me. I stared back, & held out my hand to take it. It was obviously reluctantly returned to me & I left the office without speaking further. At the first opportunity I told my friend what happened. She was also furious; wanted to pursue the matter as she was sure she was being subjected to harassment by the ass't mgr. I advised her management has the right to demand to examine anything brought onto the business premises or to search places such as the employee lockers without permission. Her harassment issue, however, another matter. That management team is no longer in place due in part to the company policy to rotate management periodically. The ass't mgr enjoyed the power of her position & abused it. Complaints regarding her general conduct were filed against her by not only employees but also by customers who witnessed her behaviour. An indication of how thepowersthatbe thinks: she was promoted to head mgr & transferred to another location.

bladeraven	05 Jan 2005
Okay first and foremost..NO ONE knew I did or do Tarot, other than my coworker..It was a one time deal....I don't do readings at work or anywhere at all.....Only at home. Aoife...I'm inflamed because he reacted in an unfair and unjust manner...I brought my cards for her to see..that was it..I dont' normally bring my cards to work or anywhere else...they are usually at home...However...when I have my bible out in the open to study (I'm a Christian)...that was no big deal.... what really made me upset is that he had no problem with me studying my bible, but the one time I showed someone my cards, just because he walked in..he reacts in that manner....I could see if he ask questions or simply pretended he never saw it... today however was different...lunch time again...and this time I'm writing notes while reading my bible and openly and clearly EATING.. He comes in and gets upset that I'm not working (during lunch??) My co-worked jumped to my defense and went...she's on her lunch break...he told me it was high priority to get a job done..I told him..no problem..I'm almost done with lunch and the person who has the information I need is gone for her lunch...basically, I can't do anything on our lunch break...he left..I resume eating and 2 minutes later..he pokes over the cube and goes...You have to make it YOUR priority...I just looked at him with a mouthful of chicken...literally...I should have tried talking to him then. My coworker got P.O.!!! She went...he's after you for yesterday....it was obvious to everyone... I overheard him tell someone..I can't believe she is goofing off and reading her Bible...and they went..it's lunch time....everyone else is gone for lunch...what do you want her to do on HER LUNCH BREAK, you can't tell her what to read and btw..I thought you were a Christian too?? My immediate supervisor made sure I was okay...kept asking if I was alright (when I tackled the really not so important project...removing sheets of paper from a stack of printouts) and if I needed a break, etc...I told him, "I'm fine" soon as it came time to leave for home..I just quickly grabbed my stuff and left FAST...sorry..... It's okay for me to read my bible out in the open...for him to openly pray with another co-worker and yet he walks in me talking to another co-worker DURING lunch about tarot and he gets upset!!! She went...he can't tell you what to do when your off the clock...then she pointed out a fellow cube mate next door...who sleeps during work hours...even the vp has talked the manager (don't worry..they aren't having an affair...he's 25, she's 50, I'm 31) about her.... Oh man...he got several people pretty ticked off...even my coworker. There are Bible Studies posted around..found out we have a few Muslims...not a good thing... There was no intention for anyone including my boss to know..he just walked up to me and my co-worker while we were talking to each other..away from everyone...I didn't put up huge blinking lights saying..here I am... A lot of people felt he was way way out of line.

Corso	05 Jan 2005
Well, I have a feeling things are about to get...VERY interesting... Best of luck to you. *hugs*

bladeraven	05 Jan 2005
If he does anything..I'm going to file for religious discrimination against a CHRISTIAN.....one thing I want to get straight with everyone... I DON'T DO TAROT READINGS AT WORK...IT WAS A ONE TIME DEAL. My co-worker wanted to see them..and she saw them...and he walked in...big deal... He wants to fall flat on his face..go for it...the cards stay at HOME...they are not at work...I keep a bible in my desk.... He has an issue about that..well..he needs to quit praying at work...

Fudugazi	05 Jan 2005
So what have you decided to do about it in the end?

bladeraven	05 Jan 2005
Nothing..I don't do readings at work It was a one time deal he wants to go on a crusade...go for it... that's harassment and he has to prove what?? She does bible study at work okay...so he needs to shut up about his church involvement. What is he going to say..she's lying that she's a christian and she really is a witch?? oh that's going to go great...Everyone thinks he is nuts for going after me for yesterday... They were basically...they've seen him drunk...he doesn't see the whole department going after him for being a bad christian. It happen on my lunch break.....oh well...that's like going after my coworker for reading Stephen King...

bladeraven	05 Jan 2005
footnote...i have a coworker who will vouch for me...even my immediate supervisor has warn him that if he becomes a zeolot..that'll cost him his job.. Can we say religious discrimination... I'm not going to do nothing... He has a problem with it..He has to deal with it..maybe he is feeling guilty for worshipping the devil in truth...I don't know and I honestly don't care.. If he is going to hold his religious views as a basis to go after me..that only goes so far... I'm still going to take lunch otherwise HR is going to go after him since it's mandated we have to take our lunch and can sleep during it for all they care... What's next?? He's going to go after the co-worker who runs during lunch? Getting the picture..I'm not worrying or angry...just ticked at how stupid and moronic he's acting...it's different if I was doing a drug deal or something... Bottom line...I didn't do anything wrong..I didn't do anything illegal.... This is a matter that he has a personal issue that HE has to deal with..he takes it out on me...it becomes too obvious...and he can kiss my christian butt for all I care.

Nevada	05 Jan 2005
He was out of line. You're entitled to a lunch break, and you should be free to spend the time as you like. Good grief, when I was a supervisor I would much rather someone sit quietly in their cubicle reading a Bible during their breaks than have them going around distracting people who were working. It sounds like he's the one with a problem. Hopefully he won't continue to make it yours. Best of luck with this situation. Nevada

Flavio	05 Jan 2005
bladeraven wrote: This is a matter that he has a personal issue that HE has to deal with..he takes it out on me...it becomes too obvious...and he can kiss my christian butt for all I care. I'm glad to see you realized that, the problem is his not yours :) this is a great thread, in less than 24 hours (at the moment typing this post) it has collected a lot of answers and points of view. I'm a closeted Tarot Reader at work, but if I need a "reading" for myself I use my PC to generate a random numbers between 0 and 78 as pulling cards from a deck, it has proven useful among other moments, whenever I have no time in the morning to pick up my card of the day before leave home :)

bladeraven	05 Jan 2005
Thanks...I don't think it's going to be an issue and he'll drop it...Heavens...it's not like I drew a white chalk circle..and started burning candles and started to throw bloody parts into a pot...oh nevermind..that's how my mom cooks.. Bottom line..I needed to VENT...so I shared it here.... He was way way out of line...... and he went farther by doing what he did to me today...do it again..and we will have issues...and he will have to prove it and he can't.... It looks funny if he says well she had tarot cards during lunch...uhm..okay and then what?? He will also have to condemn me for studying my bible in my cubicle and then heaven forbid...taking a 30 minute voluntary lunch instead of the required hour lunch (that I can get in trouble with..our company is big on promoting well being and even has a medical center in the building and a contract with the local daycare...they have a huge issue about employees not taking care of their own well being..they provide free therapists/counselors and promote anything that benefits the company) Bottom line..he wants egg in his face...go for it. My pastor would love to talk to him. My boss should be concerned about work...Not his own moral issues...and he raises a stink...well...he'll be asked if it disrupted work..uhm no it didn't..so then why wasn't HE WORKING??

bladeraven	05 Jan 2005
come to think of it...that's like if my boss was a vegetarian and got mad because he saw me eating chicken....

RufusJ	05 Jan 2005
Wow, it's even weirder than I thought! Bladeraven, you go girl. That dude has no reason to hassle you. Sounds like you've got some good folks sticking up for you.

bladeraven	05 Jan 2005
lol..more as I think about it..I really don't care...if people are going to think that of me even after 4 months of knowing me...I don't really need to be their friends...I go there to work that's it.. They don't like my jade..oh well..the scratchign they see on it is chinese and it means good luck.. they think I'm a devil worshipper...go for it......shows how ignorant they are...given that I'm reading/studying the bible everyday...I wear a cross....my pastor calls up there to chat AND the head head boss assistant is good friends with my pastor...and she and I tend to do church activities together...

bladeraven	05 Jan 2005
Lol..I'm going to head offline..need to get ready for work tomorrow and find the bible abc flash cards my co-worker is borrowing.... I guess I should call my boss and warn him that she is going to teach her grandkids their abc's and bible stories using biblical flash cards...and gasp..maybe even teach them old maid (notice the sarcasm??) lol I just needed to vent because he just went way out of line... he walked in in the middle of A conversation DURING lunch with no clue what was going on...and now he is acting like a freak. This doesn't happen everyday...This doesn't and didn't happen during work hours.. If it did and he was having to give me warnings I could understand...but this was just completley moranic.....and a one time deal... He just went out of line....BIG TIME.

Francesca	07 Jan 2005
He probably believes very earnestly in Satan,and that your tarot is a tool of said Satan which is why he freaked out on you. It sounds like his response came more from emotion and fervent belief than reason. Tarot is one of those things that seems simply inappropriate to bring to work. It's a little like wearing a bathing suit to work. Francesca

Lewen	07 Jan 2005
All the same, I would document everything that happened from the very beginning to when he freaked about your 'not working' during your lunch break. CYA..cover your butt...(okay...should typed "B" there but you get what I mean!) I've had a workplace situation that had I not only documented the time, the date and place and who were around, it could have turned out worse. Always document because when called to recollect back, sometimes we get hazy on some important details. If this had happened to me, I'd just continue to do what I always do, work do my thing and go about business like usual. If the boss continues to act like an a** then it's on him. Don't let him get to you. Have a lovely weekend and remember...document...document...document!!! :D

SunChariot	07 Jan 2005
Francesca wrote: He probably believes very earnestly in Satan,and that your tarot is a tool of said Satan which is why he freaked out on you. It sounds like his response came more from emotion and fervent belief than reason. Tarot is one of those things that seems simply inappropriate to bring to work. It's a little like wearing a bathing suit to work. Francesca I'm with Francesca. He is obviously terrified of the Tarot and you can't control those kinds of things easily. NO, it's not rational, but when something terrifies us we are not rational. It's like if I knew someone had a phobia of spiders, I wouldn't pick one up and put it under their noses so they can get a good look. That would be cruel. I don't think there is ever a need for cruelty. And although it makes not sense to me either, there are people who are terrified of Tarot. It is a fact of life that I need to accept. I guess we have to accept that people have irrational fears of some things. I know I have a few little phobias of my own. And if I would want people to respect mine, then I need to respect theirs. I always have a deck in my purse, I will tell people it is there, but I don't tend to pull it out unless I am alone or unless someone asks to see it. Bar

bladeraven	08 Jan 2005
The funny thing is that he was "requested" to take some vacation time away...when he came back...his attitude has changed quite a bit

Alta	08 Jan 2005
Changed for the worse I take it you mean? Probably a good story there. If he was already 'requested' to take time away from work, clearly higher bosses have noticed his erratic behaviour. hehe, that could help.

bladeraven	08 Jan 2005
They did...plus he had ask another employee at lunch to put away their book for fear it would cause a "disruption" with others...bad part..the employee was Muslim and reading the Koran.

SunChariot	08 Jan 2005
bladeraven wrote: The funny thing is that he was "requested" to take some vacation time away...when he came back...his attitude has changed quite a bit He was probably under a lot of pressure from work, home and everywhere at the time of the "incident", probably quite near a burnout. That kind of reaction doesn't come from nowhere. He had to have been in alot of pain. If they requested he take a vacation, he was likely losing it and acting a little offbeat in other areas too, enough that it was noticeable. Poor thing, he must have been really in a state.:-( I amsure they told him to shape up when he comes back or he will be fired. Bar

ragsrulz	08 Jan 2005
I am intrigued by the anthropological (?) significance and the tarot. Are there any books you can refer?

stella01904	08 Jan 2005
MM ~ This is such a big forum, if I'd seen this thread earlier I'd have jumped in with my two cents. Speaking as a fellow resident of Texas, AND living in a fairly small and backwards town, I have to say I haven't had that problem. I've read cards at work before AND been "caught" by the boss. He and I both know that as long as I show up, do the work and don't steal he's getting a bargain at the wage they pay and I will do anything on my lunch break I please as long as it is legal and I am back to work on time. Also I am an "out" Witch, so nobody can hold Jesus over my head like a club to tell me what to do and what not to do. They don't have any leverage with me. The only reason I seldom bring my cards to work anymore is that everyone was trying to get free readings out of me - even though their churches forbid it (readings of any kind, paid or not ;) ) I agree with the person who told you to sue if this kind of thing keeps up. BB, Stella

augursWell	08 Jan 2005
Dark Inquisitor wrote: The next time I saw the boss I would be very tempted to stick up a couple of fingers over my head and silently mouth something incomprehensible at him, just to see how far he would jump. Thanks for the laugh. :D

augursWell	08 Jan 2005
After further reading of this long thread I am now feeling remorseful about laughing at Dark Inquisitor's funny joke. I see now that this "boss" has a number of issues going on, none of which seem very positive. I would tread lightly here and not antagonize him mainly because he has focused his attention on you for some reason or another. Let that attention move on to something else as I hope it will.

bladeraven	08 Jan 2005
Still DI suggest is a good one...lol

Arnnaria	08 Jan 2005
I don't know if anyone has suggested this, but being the Libra I am, have you thought of showing him a religious themed deck like the Tarot of the Saints?

Dark Inquisitor	08 Jan 2005
augursWell wrote: After further reading of this long thread I am now feeling remorseful about laughing at Dark Inquisitor's funny joke. I think it's ok to laugh at humorous suggestions we would like to carry out in real life but usually can't. Sometimes life is just so full of crap, you have to turn it on it's head for a minute and try to see the bizarre for some relief.

Shalott	09 Jan 2005
Gawd, my blood is boiling just reading about this "boss." I don't think it's political or even a religious issue: I think it's about control and the corporate world is so good at promoting neurotic control freaks to management. But, if this guy is letting Christians read the Bible but preventing Muslims from reading the Koran (at lunch, none the less!), he may not be long for your company, one can only hope. Sick the ACLU on his butt and he'll be rueing (sp?) the day...

tao51	09 Jan 2005
Isn't lunch your own time. I keep a deck in my desk. While I may not be reading for others at my work place, I have read for people over the phone. There are people playing cards on computer so why not the tarot. I think that Texas must be too busy to think.--Tao

augursWell	09 Jan 2005
Dark Inquisitor wrote: I think it's ok to laugh at humorous suggestions we would like to carry out in real life but usually can't. Sometimes life is just so full of crap, you have to turn it on it's head for a minute and try to see the bizarre for some relief. I fully agree. In this case though the guy and the situation gives me the willies. :(

bladeraven	09 Jan 2005
It's just...ahhhhh...lol

Red Emma	09 Jan 2005
jmd wrote: Can someone's supervisor or employer tell an employee what they may do or not do during that person's lunchtime????? Where are we heading? Good question, JMD. The answer is more encouraging than one might think. A generation ago, anyone who dared to let employers know they read tarot was in really deep trouble. In the 1970's I had a reasonably successful PR firm. Then one day I was sharing a sack lunch with a couple of the women in the office of my biggest client. The gals had a tarot deck, and were reading for me. Unfortunately the big boss stopped in. I never received another assignment from the company. No muss, no fuss. Just quietly assigned to limbo. I believe at that time there were only a few decks on the market. These days there are counless decks, and they're pretty much sold everywhere. Well, maybe not in the Deep South of Scarlett O'Hara country. But as I look around at the reasonably acceptableness of occult practises, I feel encouraged. I do believe the Age of Aquarius is manifesting itself. Pretty slowly in some places. But it is happening. Bless the good Goddess.

bladeraven	09 Jan 2005
Plus we live in a very diverse world.....Even though it's lunch..the scenerio question too would be...would it be different had it been at a resturaunt, in the park, etc??? That becomes an issue of it's a Saturday, you're at the park in town and boss catch you reading...can he legitamate do something (sorry for the misspelling).. Of course..lunch is lunch..that is our time..not company...are we going to be given a thicker manual of what we can and can not do at lunch...so we can no longer read books, must have the books pre-approved, read magazines provided the company... I think that begins to fall in the issue of First Amendment rights....Lunch is our lunch...for those (I'm a single mom) who can't afford to go to the cafeteria or outside...what do we do then...we sit at our desks...and so we just eat?? My cube mates take lunch.....and go somewhere else..I don't due to economical reasons....Yet then if my office worker can read Stephen King...what can I read?? I read my bible, but another fellow employee couldn't read the Koran?? That's just...aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh.....LOL

Red Emma	09 Jan 2005
bladeraven wrote: Of course..lunch is lunch..that is our time..not company...are we going to be given a thicker manual of what we can and can not do at lunch...so we can no longer read books, must have the books pre-approved, read magazines provided the company... I think that begins to fall in the issue of First Amendment rights....Lunch is our lunch...for those (I'm a single mom) who can't afford to go to the cafeteria or outside...what do we do then...we sit at our desks...and so we just eat?? You're right, of course, Bladeraven. The thing is, companies form perceptions of employees' usefulness to a business on hunches and instinct. And in places like Texas, the instinct is to walk a straight, narrow convenional line. Even if one were to take the boss to court for killing off your First Amendment rights, you'd still be faced with a jury of individuals who are a broad-based reflection of community values. I do still remember the sixties and seventies when the boss of a PR company I worked for, said, "Clients won't accept women account executives." Within a few years they were forced to present both male and female account executives to clients. Maybe we can only wait for the world to come around. I strongly believe that it is coming around. Thank the good Goddess.

Nevada	09 Jan 2005
As far as reading books (as opposed to Tarot cards), it used to bother me if certain people, such as occasional troublesome coworkers, always wanted to know what book I was reading. (I used to read every day during lunch and on my ride home, and in some places that was looked on as unusual--especially in my vanpool, where most of the guys would sleep through the ride.) I formed a habit, for a few years, of keeping whatever I was reading inside a cloth book cover. In light of current trends, it wouldn't surprise me to see people doing this more often. What you choose to read is your business, no one else's. Nevada

stella01904	10 Jan 2005
Red Emma wrote: The thing is, companies form perceptions of employees' usefulness to a business on hunches and instinct. And in places like Texas, the instinct is to walk a straight, narrow convenional line. MM ~ That's what they'd like you to think. Historically, though, Texas is a state of iconoclasts, nonconformists, characters. In fact, you HAVE to be a bit of a character to live here. Also, I do wish someone would fire me based on hunches, instinct, spectral evidence - I could sue for a bundle! Quote: Even if one were to take the boss to court for killing off your First Amendment rights, you'd still be faced with a jury of individuals who are a broad-based reflection of community values. I think I already mentioned here that that I had to stop bringing my cards to work because all the evangelicals were bugging me for free readings. Community values are nebulous, at best. Also, they shouldn't be allowed to override the Constitution. One has to be vigilant, especially nowadays! BB, Stella

Red Emma	10 Jan 2005
stella01904 wrote: MM ~ Also, I do wish someone would fire me based on hunches, instinct, spectral evidence - I could sue for a bundle! BB, Stella All of which I'm really glad to hear. I was, of course, taking examples from my own work experience in the 1960's and 1970's. That things have come this far is very good news. Reinforces my belief that the Age of Aquarius is creeping up on us.

bladeraven	10 Jan 2005
wow...talk about an active thread..lol..I didn't expect my experience to cause such a varied and wonderful discussion.. things are still going at work..he seems a little more...persistant again with me...that's fine....bigger fish to fry then him...everything happens for a reason...otherwise I guess I'll just have to pull out my voodoo doll from my drawer and put it aside my framed picture of the great pumpkin on my cubicle shelf.

WhiteWolf	11 Jan 2005
What a fun thread! lol. I just started reading it today and didn't make it all the way through, but I had an experience at work a couple years ago regarding tarot as well, although mine is quite different! I also live in the Bible Belt and this area especially is very "ModernChristianized" with a lot of judgement and hypocrisy. I was working at a bank call center and since I worked evening shift, I would sometimes bring cards in with me, although I would be discrete. There were a select few who knew I practiced tarot and a couple who were interested. My boss (or supervisor, rather - I had several bosses!) overheard someone asking for a tarot reading and he said, "Do you really do tarot readings?", which really got me nervous and I felt on the spot. I told him yes. He was simply curious and our brief conversation led to him asking for a reading! One day after work we went into the lobby after everyone had left and I brought my Osho Zen Tarot in with me. Not only did it go well, he was having a hard time holding the tears back! (I tend to dig deep, especially with that deck). A friend of his was there, so I read for him as well - I felt more challenged in that reading - and I have found that if a querent is more concerned with testing the reader rather than being open-minded, the reading isn't very fluid at all. Anyways, this is my little story that I thought I'd share. However, I live in an area where it easily could have gone the opposite direction much like yours!

Haunted	15 Jan 2005
WhiteWolf, that's a great story. Bladeraven, hope you keep us up to date on the situation. It's been a disturbing and inspiring read.

bladeraven	15 Jan 2005
most I can say right now is that his attitude is very....uhm..oppressing..but I'm finding out that a lot of other people are having problems with him now...he had suggested to one lady who was pregnant if she could just hurry it up and if she really needed all that time off...I think he's just nuts...

Majecot	15 Jan 2005
I think perhaps he in not cut out to be a supervisor, his peopke skills are lacking, and he sounds like a lawsuit just waiting to happen!

bladeraven	15 Jan 2005
Uhm..all I can say is..uhm...yeah.

Dark Inquisitor	16 Jan 2005
bladeraven wrote: most I can say right now is that his attitude is very....uhm..oppressing.. Perhaps you should start wearing some protective stones to work, if you don't already.

Stregaverde	16 Jan 2005
bladeraven wrote: most I can say right now is that his attitude is very....uhm..oppressing..but I'm finding out that a lot of other people are having problems with him now...he had suggested to one lady who was pregnant if she could just hurry it up and if she really needed all that time off...I think he's just nuts... Okay, that's just whacked. This poor guy is obviously out of touch in general. At least you know that it's not personal.

bladeraven	16 Jan 2005
I've actually started looking for some stones to "display" at work or keep in my drawer and even a pendant to wear but wasn't too sure what to get..any ideas...as far as a pendant..I'm actually looking at something that is attractive (hey I'm a woman) and yet I can wear out and about and won't attract attention....yet I can use in my "work".... With stones, I can just leave them in my office drawer and say..oh..something that Jacob got while we were out and about and say nothing else much about them.... but I like to have something to wear daily too...but it needs to be able to blend with an office suit or out and about daily life (I live in a small town of 1,000) I want to the Magick Cauldron in Houston but nothing there really jumped out...Trust me not a conflict of beliefs.... As much as I say I'm a Christian...I'm 95 percent Witch...you just can't take the Witch out of a Girl....

Haunted	16 Jan 2005
Maybe you could pop into the Crystals & Herbs forum for some advice on how to deflect his bad vibes. Recently, I've been wearing a not-so-subtle middle eastern amulet... but I live in a city of millions. Maybe with all of that Bible reading he's doing, he'll come across something that will alter his un-Christian outlook. Maybe he just won't come in one day and that will be that. Sounds like he's on the road to ruin anyway.

bladeraven	16 Jan 2005
Lol..well..the fact that different people are being affected by him doesn't say a lot about his management or people skills..

paradoxx	20 Jan 2005
reminds me of a manager I had at one time, thing was though he was an avid supporter of Israel and used subversive symbols of Israel during 2002 when tensions over there were strong. He made it a point to express his judaec nature in an outward and unprofessional manner but made it a point to call out everyone elses flaws that he deemed nessacary to. However, his selective nature was that of if he didn't like something he would obsess over it for a while. The workplace ended up degrading into a battle of 'who could be more politically incorrect' and shut down. I think he had something to do with it looking back, he didn't seem to help matters, but the corporation was determined to make us look bad no matter what. HMMM, I think I will do a tarot reading on that subject while it is on my mind. Thank you all for providing me an outlet for this pent up memory. later.

bladeraven	22 Jan 2005
ROFLMBBO...okay I saw this when Aeclectic pulled up... http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/books/putting-tarot-to-work/ Maybe I need to buy my boss this book?? LOL

Haunted	22 Jan 2005
LOL... what a nice surprise for him to find on his desk!

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