Dreaming About The Lover's Path

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 20 Jan 2005, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Sophie-David	20 Jan 2005
Well, this is a bit of a funny one - but what do you expect, its me. ;) I am studying the Legend deck by looking at a card per night and reading the accompanying story just before I go to sleep. This often causes me to have a dream related to the card. Last night was the Seven of Swords. Last night's dream went this way, not really a dream of images but of concepts: to create a Lover or Integrated Man (the dream equated the two) take one Emperor, add one Temperance, and finish off with a Two of Cups. You will then end up with a Marc Antony. When I woke up I realized that the dream would be referring to the Marc Antony from Lover's Path. I went online to Kris Waldherr's Lover's Path site at http://www.artandwords.com/lptarot/museo.html and pulled up the Cleopatra and Caesar card. Sophie agreed that Caesar and Marc Antony were equivalent as far as the dream was concerned. I don't have Lover's Path yet but it was already on my wish list. Its obvious from having this dream that I'm going to have to bump it up in my spending priorities. Interesting how dreaming about one deck brings forth a recommendation to another. Also its somewhat fun to be assigned a scavenger hunt in order to decode the meaning of a dream! Anyway, my questions are, since I don't have a decoder ring for the deck, which Majors correspond to which Lovers card? Specifically, 1) Cleopatra and Caesar - looks like Strength because it has a lion 2) The Emperor 3) Temperance 4) And - which couple is on the Two of Cups? Then I'll have to figure out how this all relates to the Legend Seven of Swords! :) Cheers David

BlueLotus	20 Jan 2005
Sophie-David wrote: Anyway, my questions are, since I don't have a decoder ring for the deck, which Majors correspond to which Lovers card? Specifically, 1) Cleopatra and Caesar - looks like Strength because it has a lion 2) The Emperor 3) Temperance 4) And - which couple is on the Two of Cups? Then I'll have to figure out how this all relates to the Legend Seven of Swords! :) Cheers David To answer your question 1) Cleopatra and Caesar were depicted on Major #VI LOVE, otherwise known as 'Lovers' on most decks 2) The Emperor, named on this deck POWER depicts King Arthur and Queen Guinevere. 3) Temperance , known on LP deck as BALANCE, shows Venus and Vulcan 4) Two of Cups shows Tristan (a knight) and Isolde, daughter of the King of Ireland.

Cerulean	20 Jan 2005
http://www.tarotpassages.com/Pages2/LoversPath.htm I think these are the answers--I had to quickly scribble your questions down and check the book: 1. Cleopatra and Mark Anthony - fertility when she was pregnant with his son. She is an Egyptian queen at the point that this scene is depicated; the cats seem to be representing this aspect. 2. Emperor - Arthur and Guinevere 3. Temperance - Venus and Vulcan 4. Two of Cups -- Gorgeous suit of Tristam and Isolde shows Tristam wooing for his friend King Mark the lovely Isolde I've done a layout with this with some tarot-minded friends and they found it was a beautiful deck, which led them to look at 'relational' questions. The friends were both men. One of them was Italian-Irish and recognized most of the allegories with a few nudges from me. I tend to like historical courtly love poetry from Italian sources. Regards, Cerulean.

Cerulean	20 Jan 2005
http://www.astroamerica.com/t-sale.html I see that someone else also answered your question...hope my small notes add a little bit as well. I like to use this deck for 'special' readings rather than an everyday one. Regards, Cerulean

Fulgour	20 Jan 2005
Cerulean wrote: I like to use this deck for 'special' readings rather than an everyday one. Now that would be something I could dream about, a reading by Cerulean from The Lover's Path Tarot.

gypsy_morrigan	21 Jan 2005
Actually, Cleopatra and *Caesar* are the ones on Major Arcana III, the Empress or Fertility as Kris renames it. I think this pair is a great one to illustrate this card, as Cleopatra and Caesar's liaison was mainly to engender a child, their son Caesarion. Both hoped that this child would someday rule both Rome and Egypt, becoming a magnificent leader. So in this picture, Cleopatra is not only pregnant with their child, but symbolizes their hopes and dreams that they want to flourish. Marc Antony's affair with Cleopatra wouldn't work for this card I think, because not only did they not have children, but the affair led to both of their deaths. Not very fruitful! And Major VI, Love, is another Egyptian couple, Isis and Osiris. I would highly recommend to you this deck. I got it a few days ago and love it to pieces already :). I, like Cerulean, think it will be reserved for special readings.

Sophie-David	21 Jan 2005
Thank so you much Feebie & Cerulean, I was glad to have the answer before I went to sleep again, there could be a follow-up tonight. :) Its interesting that the dream sequence or formula starts with the Emperor as Arthur and Guinevere since they are the Emperor and Empress in the Legend deck that I am currently studying. There is no way I could have known that since that particular card is not at Kris's site, she only shows 21 Majors there. So the dream starts with the Emperor as Art & Guen who in Legend are not on the best of terms, then fuses them in Temperance - Venus & Vulcan, then affirms their union in Two of Cups (but my sense of the Two of Cups is that it is a union of two loving but autonomous entities, not a complete loss of identity as is implied in Temperance, so I consider the Two as a more healthy state), then loops back to a pregnant Empress as Marc & Cleo. It occurs to me that in my recent history the Connolly Empress gave birth to a child named Arthur in a meditation on the World card, indicating the upcoming birth of a creative project from the union of the internal masculine and feminine, i.e. the Inner Beloved web site. So there could be a further creative development coming and I think that today I have an idea what it may be, but we'll see - it certainly wasn't anything that I had thought of before today... Now the Legend reading on the Seven of Swords is rather unorthodox, but fits this theme quite well, from A Keeper of Words: Quote: Inspiration. Ethusiasm. A new direction and purpose. The beginning of a new enterprise... The renewal of spirit and ambition Thank you for the sale note, Cerulean, but unfortunately AstroAmerica wants US$17.25 to ship to Canada. I would be much better off with Amazon.ca at Cdn$30 and free shipping if the order total is >$39. But having gone to Kris's site now I'm waffling about buying the Limited Edition again. ;) When you dream about a deck like this its pretty difficult not to want the most complete version of it! To be forever without the Artistry card - sigh! But at about twice the Canadian cost of the regular deck and book from Amazon.ca, because of the $15 shipping charge from Kris (free shipping from Amazon). Choices, choices... :confused: Anyway, my dreams await me. Thanks again. David PS - Oh, I just read your post Gypsy, the moment I was about to post this one. Yes, you're right about Marc and Cleo of course, I remember now. But Sophie had already given me a waiver on that this morning, that I could take Marc Antony as being Caesar for the purpose of interpreting the dream, so it all works out. Yes, I think can't avoid this deck anymore. :)

BlueLotus	21 Jan 2005
Oops, sorry for the confusion David. :eek: ( when was the last time I checked my eyesight? I can't even remember ) Yes, it is Major # III FERTILITY, otherwise known as the Empress in most decks, that depicts Cleopatra and Caesar. Thank you for correcting me gypsy.

gypsy_morrigan	21 Jan 2005
That's ok, I wasn't sure myself so I had to get out the deck and check :).

Cerulean	21 Jan 2005
in the context of the dream and reading! That would make for a wonderful meaning that works. By the way, does anyone else think the Egyptian link is with the cats or is it just me? Regards Cerulean

Sophie-David	22 Jan 2005
Feebie wrote: Oops, sorry for the confusion David. :eek: No problem at all Feebie, thank you for responding so soon. Last night was the Eight of Swords, and I did have dreams of entrapment, but nothing relevant to the topic at hand, and nothing specific that was apparently worth remembering by morning. However, I did see the Legend Seven of Swords "Inspiration. Ethusiasm. A new direction and purpose" confirmed today, as I suspected it would. The new and surprising development of creativity I was alerted to by yesterday's dream - ending with the pregnant Cleopatra - appears to have two aspects: 1) Yesterday, MoonMaiden proposed a Study Group on the Connolly deck, which I was certainly enthusiastic about and quickly agreed to. As of today two more people have already joined us, so I think we have a viable start. 2) Due to the nasty winter weather, my wife and I didn't get a chance to buy each other birthday presents - she was born the day after me. So we just suggested that we each spend our birthday money as we wished - which was exactly $30. The Lover's Path is $30 at Amazon.ca, and I feel that it is the perfect present to receive from my Beloved. So its on its way! Thanks again for helping with the clues! Yes, I do think Egypt and Cats go together, and Cats and Empresses too for that matter. David

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