Books to use with Haindl

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 05 Feb 2005, and now archived in the Forum Library.

bladeraven	05 Feb 2005
I was curious if anyone knew what books I can use in conjunction with my Haindl books?? would love to learn more about them and also find a way to make them less intimidating to me to use.... Lol..I think right now with everything going on..they are so strong to me.

NightWing	06 Feb 2005
Without a doubt, you need Rachel Pollack's "The Haindl Tarot - The Minor Arcana" and "The Haindl Tarot - The Major Arcana" (revised editions, 2002), in paperback for about US$ 13.99 each. Check at www.newpagebooks.com These are a great place to start, and might be all you'll ever need! Amazon should have them too. I'm very glad I got them...and at a good used bookshop at that. Best Wishes with a wonderful deck!

Khatruman	06 Feb 2005
NightWing wrote: Without a doubt, you need Rachel Pollack's "The Haindl Tarot - The Minor Arcana" and "The Haindl Tarot - The Major Arcana" (revised editions, 2002), in paperback for about US$ 13.99 each. Check at www.newpagebooks.com I have, as recently as three months ago, seen these books in discount book stores (such as Atlantic Books on the east coast USA). I think there has been an edition published which combines the two volumes. If you haven't purchased yet, check for discounts.

bladeraven	06 Feb 2005
Thanks!! I'll check Amazon first off..I was able to get R.Pollack's 78 degrees of wisdom..both volumes in one for 11.49..so hoping the same with those.

similia	06 Feb 2005
There another book on the Haindl by Pollack also. I think the 2 on each of the arcana were a bit too in depth for some, so now there's a all in one text designed for divination. I've seen it at Amazon also.

bladeraven	06 Feb 2005
Amazon had both the major/minor for under 8.00..curious if there is a two volume in one....thanks for the suggestions!! Can't wait to look at them and the 78 degrees whenever THAT comes in.

temperlyne	09 Feb 2005
The haindl was my first deck and I still have a special connection to the images. The books by Pollack really made me understand the meanings behind the cards. I did find however that the book made my associations with the cards to relevant, universal, epic or something.. I found it a bit hard to apply her interpretations of the cards to less relevant and more mondane issues. I almost felt guilty not using these cards for some great cause. But as I said I still love the images and these cards go a lot deeper than most and Pollacks book will help you reaching those depths.

Grizabella	09 Feb 2005
The all-in-one book is the one that comes in the deck/book set. I have all three books as well as a trimmed deck and a new, untrimmed deck. I keep them put away and every once in awhile I take a stab at studying the Haindl, but it's quite profound and I've never felt like I'm at the point where I can absorb enough of it to really do it justice. Maybe someday------

similia	09 Feb 2005
I just got Rachael Pollacks book on the Kabbalah, and is based around Haindl's painting of the Tree of Life. I've only read the first chapter, but it looks like it would be useful for the Haindl deck also.

Grizabella	10 Feb 2005
Books on I Ching, Kabbalah, mythology, symbolism----all of these would also be a help. If I were just beginning with Haindl, though, I'd stick with the three books specifically about that deck and then branch out further into those topics after getting the basic three down well. I think in those three books, you'll find a lot to study on for a long time.

RedMaple	11 Feb 2005
I have both of Pollack's books on the Haindl. I got the deck because I saw some paintings that I thought were quite wonderful, and wanted to try a more abstract deck. But I was very disappointed in the deck, and in the books, at least in the area of Native American symbolism. The entire deck of stones and the "Native American" ideas he uses are all pretty much bogus. I'm not an expert on Lakota spiritually, as that is not my tradition, but believe me, what he is saying is not authentic. None of the books about the Haindl will tell you this. I have written more on this on another thread, so I won't belabor it. But it is a huge flaw in this deck, which might be well-meaning, and interesting in some of its artwork. But in my opinion, it is a failed deck. BTW, this is only one of my objections to the concepts behind the deck. Another is the use of runes and Hebrew letters on the same cards, which he did specifically to "undo" the use of the runes by the Nazis to mark the death houses in the camps. A failed attempt, iin my opinion. I don't have an issue with runes in other contexts, but putting them together with the Hebrew letters has just the opposite of the desired effect -- it reminds me of the horrible use of them in the holocaust. I don't know if this will be considered a political post, I don't see how to separate those things, myself. But if you are considering studying this deck, then there should be an opportunity for you to read about the problems with the symbols and images represented. Hope this is a beginning of your exploration of that, as well.

bladeraven	13 Feb 2005
I appreciate you posting about that and I"ll look for your other thread about this...I love the overall look and feel of the cards and had been wanting them...I was given them as a gift which I love and adore...So now I'm just learning everything I can about them..

RedMaple	13 Feb 2005
I understand. It was a deck I wanted to like because of the artwork. Glad you are open to all info on the images.

NightWing	13 Feb 2005
QUOTE from RedMaple: "... I was very disappointed in the deck, and in the books, at least in the area of Native American symbolism. The entire deck of stones and the "Native American" ideas he uses are all pretty much bogus. I'm not an expert on Lakota spiritually, as that is not my tradition, but believe me, what he is saying is not authentic. None of the books about the Haindl will tell you this. I have written more on this on another thread, so I won't belabor it. But it is a huge flaw in this deck, which might be well-meaning, and interesting in some of its artwork. But in my opinion, it is a failed deck." RedMaple: Let's bear in mind that the whole concept of divination by cards in general, and tarot in particular, is both "bogus" and inauthentic as far as North American native spirituality and traditions are concerned. And of course there is no one native spiritual tradition, but rather a great many, probably hundreds, that vary from Indian nation to nation.

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