Hookers

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 03 Apr 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Musicman	03 Apr 2002
With all this talk about celibacy, sacred virginity and sex, I thought I would get see what were peoples view of having sex with hookers. Do you think they are doing a service or do you think they are doing a disservice? looking forward to reading the replies.

funkpuss	03 Apr 2002
Well my sister is a prositute and she hid it for years. She got pregnant at 15 and got into it when she was young and she even started up her own escort agency. She made ££££££ BUT she is now bankcrupt and always suffered depression and she is sooooo materialistic and unhappy. She has no self worth, I think she may have stopped it but she does not want to go back to earning £5 per hrs when she hade made £3.000 in one day!!!!! She is very bitter towards men and I feel very sorry my nephew. What is he gona grow up to be like?? …a rapist?? I myself had thought about it, even quite recently after I had split with my ex-boyfriend and I went to an escort agency and ……… I will NEVER do it again. It was the way I felt at the time and my ex-boyfriend went to see one when he was 21 because he could get a girlfriend but he fanasicies about them all the time and other girls and that’s what killed our relationship. We both was addicted to pornography from a very young age BUT it killed everything and I still love my ex-boyfriend very much and he wants kids(NO WAY !!) we have got to sort this out before it’s too late. I didn’t see anything wrong to start with, but it caused me to have a break down. We are both having therapy. I thought that there was nothing wrong with it unless your cold, detached and strong, but it’s not as black and white as that. Soooooo what about you then what made you post this question????? On the other hand it’s good if a man has sexually fustrated he can go and have a quick one instead of going out and rapping someone. I have also had a relationship years ago with this guy and his mother was a hooker and it didn’t effect him but I asked him when if I became one and he told me that he wouldn’t mind BUT I said what if I was to have sex with your Dad how would you feel. He didn’t like that of course. But I have more self worth now and would do it. Not even for the money as money doesn’t make you happy. I would think about it as it seems unlikely that someone could form a “normal” relationship after doing such a thing. Even though I have seen documentary’s on TV about it and some of the husbands run the business for the wife……..total madness!!!! and it's like a drug you always want to go to the next level. I'm sooooooo glad that I didn't fall into that trap. FP

truthsayer	03 Apr 2002
i'm so against prostitution that i need be brief to avoid controversy and offending anyone. i realize that's prob impossible so i will try to be very tactful. in a perfect world, women and men would never need to do something so degrading to their body, psyche, and spirit as selling their most intimate self. in a perfect world, there wouldn't be a need for such services. i don't condemn prostitutes. i wish there was some way to change the world so that they wouldn't be led to this line of work thru desperation or whatever reason. it's a very dangerous line of work and the risks for being raped(yes a prostitute can be raped), murdered, beat up, becoming pregnant or developing a sexually transmitted disease that w/ life altering(or ending) effects are quite high. i'm not happy with the ppl who take advantage of them. i know a lot of prostitution evolves around drugs and addiction. i've worked as a counselor w/ ppl in this situation so i'm not just speaking from an armchair view. it's a complicated issue w/ no easy resolution. my heart goes out to those trapped in this scenario. FYI, an alarming number of girls and boys who were sexually molested by family end up in these circimstances. i guess that's another reason why i have such a strong opinion. if you grow up feeling like you have no value, no self-worth,no self-respect, and your physical/emotional/spiritual boundaries were cruelly violated by ppl you loved and trusted then it's not such an incredible leap to become a prostitute. we tend to treat ourselves w/ as much dignity and respect as we learned was our birth right as children. thank-you. rant ended.

Umbrae	03 Apr 2002
It is never Okay to “use” people. It is injurious to the spirit in/of both. How do you justify supporting a “trade” that is based on subjugation of the spirit?

Kimon	03 Apr 2002
Hello, prostitution and fortune telling are probably the oldest professions of mankind. My position to both is quite the same. There is the ideal world somewhere out there...and we are here, playing tricks on love or destiny. And in the end it´s always another, higher one that takes decisions. There are surely holy things in the world, and not so few, but are we able to live that way? Greetings, Kimon

Musicman	03 Apr 2002
I hope I don't offend anybody with this reply, so please forgive me, but first up *rape* is NOT a sex crime, it's a power crime, a crime where a man wants to dominate a woman in some sense. A crime comitted by a coward. It really pisses me off when the media or society in general blames hookers or the way women dress for their ills. It's just another way males can control women in my view, and I'm a male! If you are secure in yourself or have your personal values then it's bullshit to say "oh she was wearing nothing' or 'she was wearing a sluttish outfit and got me horny'. Thats just an excuse for aour weak, cowardly and uncontrolable urges of a male. I have studied pyschology for years and I have had many hookers over the years and though each reply so far is valid and true there is also another side to the coin. There are some hookers who are not in for the drugs, who are very intelligent and also the most wonderful human beings. I have learned alot form my experiences. it takes a certain kind of woman to do something like that. I agree there are the women that dispise men and are drug takers, I have experienced that side too, and it's not pleasent. Like i said I am not disregardintg your views or experiences just showing you there's another side to the debate. Thank you for listening

Kiama	03 Apr 2002
I have no expereince of prostitution. I don't know ny prostitues, and all I know about it is what I have learned: The cold hard facts. So, here's the persective from a 17 year old girl.... :eek: As far as I know, some people are pushed into prostitution. There are many factors, and to go into them now would require more time and space than I am willing or able to give! An example may be the need for money. Prostitution does not require good grades, credentials, long hours... And most of the time, if you're on the luckier end of the scale, your 'punters' are regulars and are not mean, abusive, etc to you, but know who you are aswell, and are attentive. I certainly refuse to blame prostitutes for what they do. Many people say money can't buy happiness... I say that may be true, but it bloody helps! I would be much happier with 3 grand in my pocket at the end of the day, than I am now with 40 quid in the bank! My life would be a hell of a lot better. If I had kids, I'd be able to feed them decent food, buy them decent toys, buy them books to read and help them with their school work... Introduce them to the wonders of the internet, take them on trips, etc... Without worrying about not having enough money to pay for the phone bill/food bill. Isn't this the life most people would like? Yes, there are the unlucky prostitutes, who fall into the drug trap, who prostitute themselves merely to get money to pay for the drugs they need... But this is a rare case! The majority are what I mentioned above. And with the unluckier cases, I believe that society does not do enough to help them. The laws of the land are weighted against the poor, the people brought up to be criminal, the people trapped in an endless cycle of drug addiction... Once our society has sorted itself out, has given the much needed support to people, maybe we will see an improvement. As it is, I know one woman who has a 5 year old daughter. She is single, working part time, ad trying to live on the pitiful amount of money the govrnment give her as support. She's fast failing. Good people these days are getting slighted, whist there are people who don't care about getting a job, and just want handouts, who are getting all the moeny! My Father is out of a job at the moment, through no fault of his own. He is 60. He gets a very small amout a week, in which to support Mum, himself, me, and two other daughters aged 8 and 10. He's trying to send me to university in September! Again, the money is not enough. He is searching for a job. But cuz of his age, it is unlikely he will get a decent one, despite his excellent credentials and expereince. He is trying so hard to do all he can to get money... Yet people who aren't looking for a job, who just sponge off the tax payer, are getting the same amount, possibly more than him, even though they have no kids, no martgage, no wife to suport... This is not right. Until the big cheeses of the UK government get down 'to our level', and try and live on the same money we do, I doubt anything will change. Prostitutes get very bad treatment by the law, by the government, etc, esp. the more unfortunate ones. Here, Mr Blair, have the same pension as our grandparents get per week, and try and live on that, will ya?! Okay, so I went off at a tangent, but it all boils down to the same thing... I don't blame prostitutes for what they do. Its a job. Good luck to them. Yes there are risks, but they know that, we know that. There are police cars that roam the red-light districts at night to make sure the women who work there are okay when they get out of a car, and to check license plates just in case.... Um, I think I'm done.. Kiama

blue	03 Apr 2002
I have no first hand experience with prostitutes. That doesn’t stop me from having an opinion. Prostitution seems to me to be one of the only honest exchanges men and women engage in. Neither party is asking the other for validation, security, control or fulfillment. They're not there to fool one another or pretend to be someone they aren’t. It’s only about what each of them want, money and sex. It’s what every one wants to some degree. And I know some of you will say you aren’t interested in sex, I don’t believe you for a second unless you are posting from the dead. Fool yourself if you must, I'm wearing my X-ray glasses! Is it moral? I don’t know. If I thought it was I suppose I would have spent some time with hookers. Could anybody loan me a few bucks ‘till payday?

slinky_jo	04 Apr 2002
The thing that makes me wonder is this - prostitution used to be a sacred thing in the time of goddess-orientated societies. It really makes me mad and sad to see what has happened to it in this partiarchal society. I hope I am not offending anyone, these are just my musings ???

Starwoman	04 Apr 2002
Hi Musicman, I havent had any experience with prositutes, so this is just my opinion, even though I did think about it when I was single, but I think it was primarily for the attention I would get, I thought that would be gaurenteed, because I would be paying him. Anyway I can see it as a service if the guys are single, that sounds feasible, but if they arent single, well then its got a very different feel to it. If I found out my guy was going to prostitues I would be devasted. I dont see it as sacred sex , that to me is with someone you have established something much more with. Sacred sex to me is not just physical,it is also emotional and spiritual, so I cant see how you would have that with someone you have no relationship with. I want to feel connected to the person , so i can enjoy it to the fullest degree. Just my opinion as I said, Starwoman

Kiama	04 Apr 2002
Quote: Originally posted by slinky_jo The thing that makes me wonder is this - prostitution used to be a sacred thing in the time of goddess-orientated societies. It really makes me mad and sad to see what has happened to it in this partiarchal society. Very well noted! It was the ancient Celts who would send a priestess to a man who was about to be crowned King. The two would make love, and usually the priestess was a virgin. The union would bless the field and the new King's reign. I believe the priestesses of Brighid in Kildare, before the Christian take-over, were sacred prostitutes... Kiama

New River	08 Apr 2002
wasn't Mary Magdalene, Jesus's friend, said to be a prostitute? i agree the most with what Diana said. and what blue said. and again voice my opinion that society spends way too much time judging every one. what is a worse crime-- a woman honestly selling sex for money or the huge scandal going on right now about priests molesting children? love, light and hope, New River

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