coincidences

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 16 Jul 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

jade	16 Jul 2002
coincidences.......do you believe in them? i don't. i believe that everything happens exactly when it needs to and that there are no coincidences. so fellow aecletians..........what do you believe? jade

Ravenswing	16 Jul 2002
nah... synchronisities taking off again ravenswing

wavebreaker	16 Jul 2002
Nope, everything has a reason...

lunalafey	16 Jul 2002
I'm with you on that one. That is something i have instictivly known for as far back as I can remember.

Jimilyn	16 Jul 2002
Quote: Originally posted by stevepolsz nah... synchronisities taking off again ravenswing This goes ditto for me. Everything happens for a reason. People may call things coincidence because we don't see or understand the reason it happened. Jimilyn

Marion	16 Jul 2002
Once is happenstance, twice is circumstance, three times is enemy action.

Jenny-Li	16 Jul 2002
...I read both The Celestine Prophecy and The Artists Way on my vacation, both of them very pro-synchronicity, and yes, sure, it makes sense... But it doesn't seem to happen to me! What do I do wrong?? If I'm curious of something and want to get to know someone who knows more, I have to hunt that person down and usually pu-u-ull the information out of him or her... I don't just stumble on people who know all I need to know, like in those books... But sure I believe it, otherwise Tarot wouldn't work, and it does! I guess it's just that I don't see it... :) Jenny :)

truthsayer	16 Jul 2002
i don't believe in coincidences. maybe synchronicity at times but things have happened to me that had to be more than synchronicity and definitely couldn't be mere coincidence. when multiple things fall into place perfectly--that adds up to more than a random occurance. feels more like divine machinations to me!

jade	16 Jul 2002
jenny, it is happening to you. you just aren't seeing it that way. when you say something, or think something and you hear someone in line talking about the same thing. when you think, "man, i need to find something to stop this itch" and someone, in the article you are reading, is talking about lavendar and it's many properties............. when you wish that someone would assist you in something and then someone on the forum posts a message about it....syncronicity again! everytime you think, "wow, what a coincidence"......it isn't one, it's divine intervention, syncronicity, it's all just coming together for you! exactly how it should be. in light, jade ps just because you don't see it or acknowledge it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Jenny-Li	16 Jul 2002
Quote: Originally posted by jade it is happening to you. you just aren't seeing it that way. ps just because you don't see it or acknowledge it doesn't mean it isn't there. Yes, you're probably right. Cameron wrote something that kind of got to me, it makes sense - she wrote that once you start shaking that apple tree (the universe:)) things are going to start falling from it. Only it's more likely to be oranges than apples. I guess I'm looking so hard for apples, I don't see the oranges! (And besides I think I used to be too passive to even shake the tree to begin with...!) Thanks for the reassurance! :) Jenny :)

Lightlike	16 Jul 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Jenny-Li (And besides I think I used to be too passive to even shake the tree to begin with...!) Thanks for the reassurance! :) Jenny :) Well, it looks like to me that somebody (Jade) has already started shaking the tree for you... All you have to do is look for the oranges (synchronicities)... There's a Zen quote (I can't find it right now) that goes something like: when you are ready to learn, you'll find your teacher. So just keep your eyes open and you'll find whatever you need is already there, waiting for you.

lunalafey	16 Jul 2002
Quote: Originally posted by truthsayer i don't believe in coincidences. maybe synchronicity .... feels more like divine machinations to me! they are basically one and the same... In the book 'The Simulations of God' by John. C. Lilly,M.D. he says this: Synchronicity is the result of the effect of the human psyche upon events. This can be freely translated into antoher system which I derive from empirical science, a system I call "coincidence control". this book came to my via coincidence control, aka sychronicity I like to say that word coincidence is used by those that don't belive in sychronicity. To them it's just a funny random occurance.

jade	17 Jul 2002
so is a random act of kindness really random or is it planned by guides and spirits? hmmm jade

Lightlike	17 Jul 2002
Quote: Originally posted by jade so is a random act of kindness really random or is it planned by guides and spirits? hmmm jade Perhaps its both. Perhaps some of it is planned but then some of it is just one person being kind to another...which isn't entirely random either because the person choose to do something for another. Unless I'm misunderstanding your definition/view of a random act of kindness. I'm thinking of it as being something kind one person does for someone else (most likely a stranger) with no expectations of rewards or the like. Sort of like a driver seeing a person walking along the road and offering the person a ride to their destination without expecting compensation. I think guides and spirits plan some random acts of kindesses but then some people just choose to do random acts of kindess without their guides/spirits planning it. The reason I feel this is because I believe that its a mixture of free will and fate(or guidance of some kind)

wavebreaker	17 Jul 2002
I guess that person walking along the road looking for a ride was there for a reason, so that wouldn't be a concidence. And then you would have the choice to offer your "act of kindness" or not. So I don't think it's random that you are offered the opportunity to be kind to someone, but you do have a choice to take that opportunity. Which isn't really random, because you can choose... Hm, am I making sense here? ;)

Lightlike	17 Jul 2002
Yeah you are... I was sort of beating around the bush trying to figure it out but you pretty much said what I was trying to say. But since you still have a choice then its not entirely random or entirely planned.

Lightlike	17 Jul 2002
You know this sort of feels like the arguement: which came first, the chicken or the egg? Its almost circular in nature.

Jenny-Li	17 Jul 2002
Quote: Originally posted by tarotlady Hm, am I making sense here? ;) Absolutely! I mean if there was no room for choice, then everything really would be carved in stone, and a reading would be "right" or "wrong" and we wouldn't really have to care about anything, because there wouldn't be anything that could change events as they are meant to happen anyway. I think the beauty of it is how it all works together. I mean, as Jade pointed out to me yesterday: the synchronicities are there in my life too, I just don't see them! How many choices aren't we presented with every day, only we don't see them - or we choose to ignore them... Whichever it is, the choice was there for us anyway! Light and love, Jenny :)

PurpleGoddess	17 Jul 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Jenny-Li ...I read both The Celestine Prophecy and The Artists Way on my vacation, both of them very pro-synchronicity, and yes, sure, it makes sense... But it doesn't seem to happen to me! What do I do wrong?? If I'm curious of something and want to get to know someone who knows more, I have to hunt that person down and usually pu-u-ull the information out of him or her... I don't just stumble on people who know all I need to know, like in those books... Hi, I believe in everything happening for a reason that's ordained by the Powers that Be. I've read all Celestine Prophecy books except newest and found that in order for synchronicity to work you must not only pay attention to what's going on around you w/full awareness but also open yourself up to the experience. you must also pay attention to the energy that you put out into the world. I've often gone back through the books to re-read a particular chapter or principle. I would suggest you doing the same, desparation or forcefulness in manner only creates an energy block of sorts. I know I need to practice that concepts as well but it's basically because I'm not paying attention to the messages be given to me. It's not an easy concept to learn but once learned easy to bring up in learning and meeting people. Peace and light.

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