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Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 26 Jul 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.



jade  26 Jul 2002 
can you make superstitions come true simply because you believe in them?

like, if you believe that breaking a mirror is going to bring you bad luck......then will it?

hmmm,
jade :D 


fairyhedgehog  26 Jul 2002 
But not necessarily :)

If you break a mirror, I think that you are more likely to notice anything bad that happens afterwards and attribute it to the broken mirror.

There's been a lot of research done on people who think they are lucky and people who think they are unlucky. The main difference seems to be in how much attention they pay to the good and bad things that happen to them in life. So it is more a case of perception than of causality.

(Translation for non-native English speakers: it isn't that some people are more lucky, they just think they are and so they notice the good things more :) ) 


wavebreaker  26 Jul 2002 
I think you can. Isn't this what the whole placebo effect is based on?

Good point there, fairyhedgehog, I agree that perception can also be a very important part of it. Some people see a glass half filled with water as half full, others see it as half empty.. ;)
A lot of people only look at what they don't have, which will make them unhappy, whereas other people in the same situation will look at what they do have, which will make them happier than the first group of people. 


kayne  26 Jul 2002 
I am not usually a superstitious person but...

No one in my family will ever have white 'death' lilies in their house due to the superstition that they bring on death...

Reason:
When I was a child my Grandparents visited and stayed with us (we lived in a little country town at the time...) and Mum had been given a fresh bunch of wild white lilies. My Grandma insistant that Mum take them out of the house but she didn't. My grandparents left the next day and the following week my father died unexpectedly of a heart attack. Now, no one is blaming the flowers for this freak occurance but it is enough to prevent us from ever choosing those flowers...

I think some superstitions are around for practicle reasons... pretty stupid to walk under a ladder because something might fall on you from above... 


Liliana  26 Jul 2002 
I figure I might as well do certain superstitious things just in case :) Like knocking on wood, throwing salt over my left shoulder if i spill it, horseshoes, rabbits feet, stuff like that. If believing in a negative superstition makes it come true, then believing in a positive one should also work, so such hings should actually give me good luck :)

:THP 


Sam  26 Jul 2002 
I broke a mirror in Costco when I was 4 and didn't see any diff. 


Geenius at Wrok  26 Jul 2002 
Back in college, I believed in a thing I called "mailbox Zen": If you went to your mailbox expecting to get mail, you would not get mail. If you went to your mailbox expecting not to get mail, you would not get mail. If you went to your mailbox with no mail-related expectations—i.e., not thinking about mail at all—only then would you get mail.

I also believe that talking about something you're anticipating will come true before it actually does is guaranteed to prevent it. It's especially true when it involves job offers. I call this phenomenon "job jinx."

"Tomorrow is always betrayed by too much hope displayed" —Johnny Clegg 


Red raven  26 Jul 2002 
I have a lucky charm. it's a plastic lizard. hasn't really brought me anything super special, but on theflipside I'm not dead yet, so I say it's lucky :P

I suffer more from Murphy's Law. Hardly ever get bad luck, but I get Murphy's Law all the time. 


DarkElectric  26 Jul 2002 
Isn't that sort of how magick works too? Even in the field of quantum physics they are discovering that in many cases the outcome of a particle phenomenon experiment is actually influenced to a degree by the expectations of the researchers recording the results. The particles actually behave in the way the researchers theorize. It sounds weird, but apparently it's now being hailed as "Scientific fact"! And we've all heard the folk wisdom telling us "We bring our worst fears upon ourselves" and "Positive thoughts=positive results" I know for a fact that this is true. When a Gloomy Gus has a less than pleasant experience with something, invariably the person will moan, "I knew it! Nothing good ever happens to me!" so consequently, they see life as a place where they can't win, and they don't. Conversely, someone with a more positive outlook being faced with the same situation may say something like "Take a lemon and make lemonade!" and proceed to find SOMETHING good about it. I think superstition is like that too. We may be setting up the current of manefestation when our belief in something is so strong. I know that in spellwork, when I am absolutely convinced that my stuff will work, it always does. even when it's kind of an "On the fly" thing. When I am unclear in my intent, less than focused, or have possible subconcious doubts about the work, the spell either belly flops, or quietly fizzles away and goes nowhere, no matter if all of my materials, correspondences and other contributing factors are correct. My dad used to freak out if anyone in the house rocked a rocking chair with no one in it. He said it meant someone in the house would die soon. Me and my mom decided it was better to comply than to wig the poor guy out, so we never did it again. Both my folks are really old now, and since the three of us are all there is, and nobody is dead, maybe if we don't rock the chair we all can live forever?!!!:) 


tabbycat  27 Jul 2002 
kayne said
Quote:
I think some superstitions are around for practical reasons... pretty stupid to walk under a ladder because something might fall on you from above...

I always do walk under ladders - my way of raising two fingers at a silly superstition! I will admit to 'touching wood' to avert ill fortune and throwing spilt salt over my left shoulder, and when I'm serving up dinner, I always drop something on the floor as a libation to the Kitchen Goddess. Doesn't stay there long though, not if it's something that a cat might fancy! :D

Jilly 


Violet Gargoyle  27 Jul 2002 
I love studying superstition origins....

The one in my family was the first one I broke: According to lore around here, its is supposed to be bad luck to wear an Opal if your birthday is not in October, (where the Opal is the accepted birthstone) also Opals are suppose to be given to you and never bought for yourself (like moonstones)

Of course I was not born in October, but because I was married in October and it is my favorite time of the year, I have had no problem wearing opals all the time. I love them more than my own assigned birthstone. 


wavebreaker  27 Jul 2002 
Oops, I bought myself two opals and I was born in August... :D 


vision  27 Jul 2002 
kayne ~
Quote:
No one in my family will ever have white 'death' lilies in their house due to the superstition that they bring on death...

I love smell of white lilies. They are lovely and had them many time in my house and I haven't died so far kayne :)

Vision 


zorya  27 Jul 2002 
[quote]Originally posted by DarkElectric
[b]Isn't that sort of how magick works too? Even in the field of quantum physics they are discovering that in many cases the outcome of a particle phenomenon experiment is actually influenced to a degree by the expectations of the researchers recording the results.
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you beat me to it dark electric! yes! the particles appear, where they look for them.

i believe that if you look for bad luck, you will find it. if you learn to see that even what seems to be bad luck may lead to something good down the road, you stop fearing bad luck so much. when you stop fearing it, you will stop experiencing it as something that is only bad.... oops rambling now, lol. 


divinerguy  27 Jul 2002 
I don't walk under ladders. I stay away from black cats. I don't touch the chalk lines on a baseball field, and I pick up pennies.

I might be completely wrong, but why tempt fate? 


DarkElectric  27 Jul 2002 
You pick up PENNIES? But you're an ATTORNEY! You gotta stop defending winos, man and start representing incorrigible major league athletes! 


the hermit  27 Jul 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by DarkElectric
You pick up PENNIES? But you're an ATTORNEY! You gotta stop defending winos, man and start representing incorrigible major league athletes!


DarkElectric's right divinerguy...
And how do you expect any one to have respect for a rock and roll star named 'Slash' who picks up PENNIES! No one wants to throw their underwear at someone who picks up PENNIES! Not to mention classical guitarists doing a live unplugged album with you... come ON! :D 


divinerguy  27 Jul 2002 
Oh, alright. But I draw the line at nickels. 


jade  28 Jul 2002 
no, you HAVE to pick up pennies........if you tell the Goddess that pennies are not worthy of your effort to pick them up then why should she give you more?

i always pick up pennies :D

and nickels too heehee

love
jade 


the hermit  28 Jul 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by divinerguy
Oh, alright. But I draw the line at nickels.

ok... that's better.

By the way... congrats on your Nobel prize!
I didn't realize that you were THAT divinerguy! 


jade  28 Jul 2002 
did i miss something?

what nobel prize? 


the hermit  28 Jul 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by jade
did i miss something?

what nobel prize?


see divinerguy's profile :D 


lunalafey  28 Jul 2002 
It's a MANIFESTATION THING......
my ex used to say 'if you keep saying it it will happen'
the little things we do, like pennies and ladders etc. there is a big book I have seen that is the dictionary of superstions, I am not sure of the title, but it is possible that was it. IT'S GOT EVERY THING..the what, when, where, and how of individual superstions.


Quote:
Originally posted by Geenius at Wrok
If you went to your mailbox expecting to get mail, you would not get mail. If you went to your mailbox expecting not to get mail, you would not get mail. If you went to your mailbox with no mail-related expectations—i.e., not thinking about mail at all—only then would you get mail.


AHH, this is the same principal I became aware of as well. The hard part, once you have noticed the pattern, if you really want something so much that your SO hoping for it, and then trying to 'belive' you won't get it?
ouch.
So now I just ignore it all compleatly..... 


vision  28 Jul 2002 
Quote:
no, you HAVE to pick up pennies........if you tell the Goddess that pennies are not worthy of your effort to pick them up then why should she give you more?

That's right. They just know it's money but not it's value....

Vision 


Violet Gargoyle  28 Jul 2002 
But do you pick up ALL pennies, or just the side that the head is facing up?

And do you make the effort to put the pennies in a bride's shoe when you're done? 


jade  28 Jul 2002 
i pick up them all and no i don't give them to brides heehee

don't know any. i'm at the age where my friends are either married, or not getting married at all heehee

jade 


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