Elvis is dead & I don't care.

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 16 Aug 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Dark Inquisitor	16 Aug 2002
If you are easily offended and believe everyone must be nice all the time, this is not the post for you. You should go watch Teletubbies now instead of reading this. There will be unpleasant personal opinion & maybe even stereotypes expressed, but it does not pertain personally to you . It is also specific to America, and is not intended as global commentary. Elvis is still dead, but is still the lead story on many news programs this morning. Way too many. Every year, the cultural bones of Elvis Presley & Marylin Monroe are dragged back out & forced on people like myself- innocent people who want nothing to do with it. So this is equal time for those of us who are very, very tired of it. I don't get it. As far as I can tell, they were both neurotic, white,celebrity drug abusers. Yes, they had talent. But there are many people who have talent and are not revered his way. Both had sort of grown-up baby faces. The Cute Factor. Not any kind of transcendent or ethereal beauty as you might find in Renaissance art, but just kind of a common, baby - face thing. Plus, Elvis wore white shoes. Men in white shoes scare me. Elvis' bad taste is legendary. Yet celebrated. ?. He took elements of African American music & made it palatable to racist America. While the real thing was left behind . I'd rather have the real thing, it's way better. I'm sure Marylin was a good actress, but as far as I can tell, she was mostly good at combining stupidity with sexuality . Always a big seller. Not something to be admired for. Lots of women do it everyday and don't even know it. Take Lauren Bacall for example. A very good looking woman & talented actress. Still alive & working, seems intelligent. Not too celebrated however. Of course, Elvis & Marylin both died young, and we will never have to watch them age. Has this made them immortal in the minds of the public? Just where ARE the minds of the public anyway? Does the Tragic Factor of early death make people to want to disinter these two every year & try to give them life again? Id like not to have think about either of these two celebrity mummies anymore! Tarotphelia

Umbrae	16 Aug 2002
Wait a moment- Elvis is dead? Well then who is that that works over at Conklin's Electric in Lynnwood? __________ At least the Egyptians left their mummies in the ground (sort of). We need new heroes. Those two are a tad moth eaten. The poor guy who flushed Elvis's last turd, imagine how he feels...

divinerguy	16 Aug 2002
You forgot Lady Di and JFK. They're also on the National Enquirer Top Ten list.

Faerie Lin	16 Aug 2002
This morning I turned to one of those major national news shows and I saw the HUGE/taking up the whole news show story of Elvis. I turned to my husband saying "I'm tired of all this..." So I turned to ANOTHER morning news show and BAM, the same thing. Good to know I'm not the only one who just doesn't freakin' care!!! GOOD POST!!!!!! Lin

Minderwiz	16 Aug 2002
Being extremely old I was a fan of Elvis when I was at school. However I agree that he's dead in the conventional sense of the word and that he is not hiding away or working at Lynnwood (Besides he'd be collecting his pension by now). Most of the publicity is designed to sell Elvis memorabilia, records, etc rather than real respect. Its people cashing in and flogging a dead Elvis. I suppose also that just because he had a good voice (and he did) shouldn't make him an icon - 'a man's a man for aw that' as Rabbie Burns said. Better to simply play his records as and when they are requested. I suppose there are the conspiracy theories that Elvis and Marilyn were murdered, spirited away, abducted by the FBI/Aliens (or possibly both) - however most of those are designed to sell stuff too. Better to let them rest in peace Minderwiz

wavebreaker	16 Aug 2002
Guess what: it's not specific to America... I've been hearing about Elvis all day on the radio, they had a news item on it on tv yesterday evening, filming Dutch people visiting Memphis. I think there's even a special Elvis day in a town here in the Netherlands because Elvis' manager was apparently originally from that town... It doesn't really bother me that much though, some people just need some sort of hero to look up to. As long as they won't force me to adopt him as my hero... ;)

Diana	16 Aug 2002
Hey, I hope I'm not going to offend anyone here, but I think ELVIS ROCKS! When he sings "Love Me Tender", I feel like I'm travelling to the Moon. And "Blue Suede Shoes" - wow, there's nothing that gets me onto my feet and dancing quicker than that. I love you, Elvis! (In spite of all your oddities.)

divinerguy	16 Aug 2002
Diana - please don't hate me, but Elvis didn't make Blue Suede Shoes famous. It was made famous by Carl Perkins, who was a friend and contemporary of Elvis. http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=165 Elvis also did the song, but most people remember Carl Perkins.

napaea	16 Aug 2002
i just hate the paparrazi and media in general. 1. why do we chase celebreties around like this? a musician or actress nowadays cant' take a pee without some camera up their business (ha ha play on words there, for those of you slow on the uptake) 2. back in the good old days we actually covered STORIES. like those 2 girls that got kidnapped in US. we need to know about that kind of stuff, do we really need to know if Pamela Anderson is wearing makeup today, or where she got her coffee? 3. when they're dead, honoring them is fine. but do we have to spend hours and hours covering these issues when there are wars to cover, and even more, plenty of people out there who are good humanitarians that the world doesn't even know or care about!! why do we focus attention on the bone headed football player at a party doing drugs, when we could be looking at the local science teacher who raises money for amnesty international?! 4. and why - please god - why do all the women on the news sound like broken cheerleaders with emphasema? what, you have to go to school to learn to talk like a drag-queen-robot? talk like a human, for god's sake!!!!!

catlin	16 Aug 2002
I think all this crap around Elvis, Monroe, Lady Di, JFK etc. is just a big promotion thing. Mass media pull them out now and then like a kind of monster of Loch Ness to fill the medias when there is nothing else to report or when the sales figures decline. I remember when Lady Di died I was at a friends who started to lament and weep as if Lady Di had been a friend of hers. I do not lack in feeling but I thought this pretty exaggerated and a bit hysterical.

DarkElectric	16 Aug 2002
Dead celebrities work a lot cheaper than live ones, and NEVER argue about pay raises, or who is getting THEIR money. America has, in my opinion, a twisted perception of many things. We have "The Death Cult" and "The Youth Cult", but the majority of us are really equidistant to either end of this spectrum. We are seemingly ignored, yet are inherently expected to finance this gruesome operation. Either we are being lured by advertisers into spending inordinate amounts of money catering to the whims of our children and adolescents, or we are chasing after plastic surgeons because we are warned that we are obsolete by age 40. As far as the Elvis thing, too much marketing of culturally created "memories. A lot of money to be made selling thin air, isn't there.

Diana	16 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by divinerguy Diana - please don't hate me, but Elvis didn't make Blue Suede Shoes famous. Hee, hee! No hard feelings, divinerguy. But please don't hate me, I've never heard of Carl Perkins! :D Okay, so Blue Suede Shoes is out. How about Jailhouse Rock? Can I keep that one?? I think Presley had the most amazing voice. I could listen to it for hours and not get tired. In fact, I've had a marvellous day today listening to the radio, and tonight I'm going to watch the TV (I normally dislike watching TV), to watch extracts and interviews and stuff on him. But I really hope I haven't offended anyone by saying this.

Kiama	16 Aug 2002
Hmmm.. I grew up when Elvis had been dead a good few years... (Decades!) so I can't really say I know much about him. But what I do know, and I hope that nobody is offended, esp. Diana, is that, whilst Elvis did have a nice singing voice, andhe did do something new with on-sage performance, that real;ly as it. He didn't start Rock 'n' Roll, nor did he start a new style of music... Elvis was admittedly around during the first few yearsof Rock n' Roll, but only after it had become known with 'Rock Around The Clock' blasting onto the cinema screen... I don't like hismusic much either, although I can see why others would enjoyit. Kiama

midnightmerry	16 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Tarotphelia If you are easily offended and believe everyone must be nice all ... I don't get it. As far as I can tell, they were both neurotic, white,celebrity drug abusers. Tarotphelia Well, you had me until I got to the phrase, "...both were neurotic, WHITE, celebrity drug...." I accepted your warning that this was not meant as a lovey-dovey post, but I have to ask what WHITE has to do with you liking/disliking anyone?? Came across as rather racist, sorry. Past that and as a native Memphian, I can agree with a lot of what you wrote. Yes, I like Elvis, but watching this spectacle here in Memphis year in and year out is a study on human gullibility and cult-worship. There is no doubt in my mind that thousands of years from now, archaeologists will dig up surviving Elvis material and conclude he was an American deity- perhaps the god of music and love, I don't know. The frenzy here is unbelievable and if you think Memphis (the City) is not doing everything in its power to promote Graceland and Elvis, think again. The City reaps big bucks off Elvis, as does everyone involved in the EP publicity machine. I do believe that Elvis changed the face of music and yes, I also think the man had talent. But admiring someone's work is a far-cry from the EP force-feeding we are exposed to every year by the media. It's really overboard and I have to wonder who is greasing who's palm to keep this publicity dog barking.

jade	16 Aug 2002
here i am, coming onto the forum to get away from the publicity of elvis's death and WHAM! i get it in the face. i guess you did exactly what you were trying to avoid! heehee jade :D

WolfSpirit	16 Aug 2002
Enjoy your Elvis Diana :D I'm not really fond of him myself, but musicians I admire sometimes mention him as an influence which is good enough for me. This thread seems to be more about media and commercialism than about the man himself.

Umbrae	16 Aug 2002
I cannot handle all this in one day. First I find out that Elvis is dead. Now I find out he's white. Dead and white. My day is ruined. Wha....Princess Di? I'm outta here, this is too much. Next thing you know, someone will say that both Ken Kesey and Jerry Garcia have passed on. Jeez! That'd be a sad day!

Kiama	16 Aug 2002
ROFLMAO! Umbrae, you crack me up... I narly choked on my pizza! (If I had died it would ae been ll your fault! }) ;)) Kiama

Pollux	16 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by WolfSpirit This thread seems to be more about media and commercialism than about the man himself. I am not sure the two are not related, and probably Tarotphelia's intention was not to talk about his music, after all... ;) In my REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY humble opinion... Elvis is ok. ;) I can't choose a side. Probably none must be chosen, or need to be. Elvis, his music and his impact on society and culture and what not are one thing, and the advertising indursty, the speculations and the economical exploitation of it are quite another. As far as ELVIS is concerned, I never felt such a great impact on me, or Italian society either (but the odd imitator - if someone is curious to know the man, PM me... ;)). But undoubtedly his music can be appreciated, and some of his songs are CLASSICS. I think I share Diana's position in this sense ("Love me tender" wakes the Fa@@ot inside me *ROFLOL* :D). As for the documentaries and all, I am a Gemini: I love to learn and get to know all those useless detaiils and curiosities... but after a while I am BORED!. This not due to Elvis though, as I explained. ;) As for the speculation and the nice embroidering around it, one word: çr@p. Diana, let me take your internationalist hand! *Pollux and Diana travel to a free country were doubtlessly no reconomical speculations exist, and most of the flags have only one colour... whose name is hidden in this sentence...;)*

Umbrae	16 Aug 2002
I shall slide into serious mode here for just a second. I hate the media with a passion. Out here, Seattle way there was an accident on a bridge. The Times reported that the truck driver (truck shown jackknifed at the back of an 11 car pile up) caused the accident. That was wrong. A while back (1992-3), they had the big deal about some Palestinians that Israel expelled that were forced to live in tents during the winter, and it was cold. The media neglected to discuss the fact that NO other country would allow these men onto their soil. They lionize folks who deserve no glory. Jack Lemmon had far more talent than Elvis, but he did not shake his hips. True, Elvis gets a small amount of credit for hip movement into the music scene, but he did not create rock and roll. If you want the father of Rock and Roll you have to go all the way back to Ludwig Von Beethoven, who was the first man to break the rules of counterpoint. Critics in his day he stood solitary an insulted. Weber said of Beethoven’s Seventh Symphony, “The extravagance of genius have reached the limit; Beethoven is now ripe for an asylum!” Marilynn Monroe was not an artist. She was a hack actress who was well ahead of her time, and changed the world by posing nude in an era and country that was not ready for such exposure. And the media creates an illusion of that which never existed to sell copy, and folks buy it. Real news they bastardize with a political and personal bias. Right now, the media is gearing up for a one-year anniversary of September 11th. I have been contacted to rehash my story. I told them I would get back to them. I have to live with what I saw every single day. Will it really help anybody else to see what I saw, feel what I felt? Or will they gain more market share off my horror. Folks with rabid hatred toward the spiritual movement should redirect their hatred towards something really hateful. The media.

Diana	16 Aug 2002
Pollux, can I have this dance please? They're playing "Love me Tender". I don't care that Elvis didn't invent rock and roll. I don't care that he's white. Nor that he took drugs. Nor that he became neurotic towards the end of his life. All I know is the joy he gave to millions of people. And to me. Media is something else and I'm not getting into that here. But when we talk about John Lennon, on his 25th anniversary of his death, I will also be watching TV. And Imagining.

Jenny-Li	16 Aug 2002
Well it kinda relates to Elvis I guess, but hardly to the topic, but I dare put it here anyway: I have always wondered about the expression "Elvis has left the building" - now, what's up with that?? Jenny :D PS: To respond to the thread, I agree that the annual media circus on the date of a celebrity's death is terrible. Don't they have better things to spend their energy and working days on?? And Umbrae: :* I love your posts! You caused at least one major laughing fit in Stockholm this Friday evening! ROFL :D!

Marion	16 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Jenny-Li I have always wondered about the expression "Elvis has left the building" - now, what's up with that?? I have read that they said that after his concerts to tell the groupies etc who were hanging around that he had gone. I have heard it was almost a feature of his appearances, well, after his appearances. Diana, Pollux, I like some of Elvis' songs too.

HOLMES	16 Aug 2002
gee elvis, buddy holly, johnny cash, chuck berry are like gods to me , that includes henry fonda, jimmy stewart bogy, includes lou thez, chief wahoo mc daniel, for what they did, their spirits may haved moved on to others lives and such. what we are remembering are the impacts others had on our lives. weeach remember someone who has touched our lives by their actions thus makin them influential for good or bad. when they do that to lots of people they are considered great and the masses famous or infamous depnending on what they did. this not only includes actors singers, celebrities like reslters boxing but normal people who have truly rose to the occasian like ghandi, joan of arc, buddha, jesus christ,(whether or not people believe that he is god or not it must be acknowlege he was a spiritual man, a teacher an idealist who died for what he believed) im the years to come when people have stopped chanting elvis name every year and he passes into klegend like robin hood, king arthur, the essence of who he was and wehat he did will be still seen much like people still listen to beetoven, mozart sur some people take it to far like any pop culture pheonam like star wars, star trek for example (3000 miles from graceland heheheh) yet the true test of a icon is if they if they are around 100 years after they are dead (hank williams is doing for himself :O)) (let;s not for get scot joplin, and robert johnson) almost up to the 100s heheheh i think be aa lot harder to forget people in the years to co,me for we got recorded performances, news documentary, cds that will make the hundred test obsolete all that being said i like elvis for his music, hispersonality and i wonder will there be another king?

purplelady	16 Aug 2002
I'd rather watch an hour long show on Elvis , OR Princess Diana , even if it is old news, than watch another 10 minutes about 9/11.

floracove	16 Aug 2002
I understand and appreciate what you all think and feel... I love Elvis! I was raised on him. I love all the old rock and roll, and country songs! I would rather see his old movies and listen to his records than watch the same old stuff about him every year... Marilyn M. Well I haven't seen much of her but know who she is...A sex kitten...Well so am I! I just don't take payment for it. I cried when Diana died, but my brother had died 2 weeks before that and I was weak, but she did touch alot of people and brought a more "personal" feel to the way people viewed the royal family, so I think she did ok... I think they all should be left to rest in peace... (Some native American's had a custom of not speaking the deceased name for just that reason) As far as Sept. 11 of year last. It tore my heart, and I don't see any sense in bringing it all back up.(IMHO) The money they spend to rehash everything over and over again, could be put to a better use. (IMHO) *gives Umbrea a great big hug* So sorry you had to go through such as that... And hope you never have to go through anything any worse! ***LOVE 2 YOU ALL***

the hermit	16 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Umbrae If you want the father of Rock and Roll you have to go all the way back to Ludwig Von Beethoven, who was the first man to break the rules of counterpoint. CORRECT! Thanks to you from a would-be musician/guitarist. Quote: Originally posted by Umbrae Right now, the media is gearing up for a one-year anniversary of September 11th. I have been contacted to rehash my story. I told them I would get back to them. I have to live with what I saw every single day. Will it really help anybody else to see what I saw, feel what I felt? Or will they gain more market share off my horror. You need to do what's best for you, not the media, or the country or the world. Quote: Originally posted by Umbrae Folks with rabid hatred toward the spiritual movement should redirect their hatred towards something really hateful. The media. unfortunately for us the media is fed by the collective and often morbid desire to see more, read more, hear more... As Walt Kelly, creator of Pogo, penned... "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

Dark Inquisitor	16 Aug 2002
[quote]Originally posted by midnightmerry [b] Well, you had me until I got to the phrase, "...both were neurotic, WHITE, celebrity drug...." I accepted your warning that this was not meant as a lovey-dovey post, but I have to ask what WHITE has to do with you liking/disliking anyone?? Came across as rather racist, sorry. I was listing things they had in common: neurotic white celebrity drug abusers talented baby-faced Unfortunately, concepts of beauty in our society are still tied to being white, and can be a factor in how widely accepted a person is. Great strides to counteract this have been made, but it still lingers. Also, for the lovers of Elvis' music , I did state he had talent. He is just not my taste. My point is that it's just too much and my thread was a reaction to it being so inescapable. Equal time at last! Tarotphelia

the hermit	16 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Umbrae I cannot handle all this in one day. First I find out that Elvis is dead. Now I find out he's white. Dead and white. My day is ruined. Wha....Princess Di? I'm outta here, this is too much. Next thing you know, someone will say that both Ken Kesey and Jerry Garcia have passed on. Jeez! That'd be a sad day! Umbrae... about Ken and Jerry... well... I think you should hear this from a friend so... you better sit down... (uncorks bottle of Jack Daniels) and have a sip of this first...

HOLMES	16 Aug 2002
*WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT WAYLON JENNINGS?* *grabs a cup and walks over *toasts "to elvis, waylon, roy, hank. and evey other brave soul famous or oterswise; *drinks and gargles* *then spits and gasps for air for never drank jd straight before*

the hermit	16 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by HOLMES *WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT WAYLON JENNINGS?* *grabs a cup and walks over *toasts "to elvis, waylon, roy, hank. and evey other brave soul famous or oterswise; *drinks and gargles* *then spits and gasps for air for never drank jd straight before* yes HOLMES, him too... but you're supposed to sip JD... that's why they call it "sippin' whiskey"

Starfish	16 Aug 2002
Okay, I need some sips of that JD.... Here in my part of Michigan, we do a "Dream Cruise" with cars cruising up and down a major road about this time every year. It's this weekend and my family and I just returned from viewing the cars cruising (mind you, this continues the ENTIRE weekend, tying up traffic and making it nearly impossible to go anywhere by automobile). We stood by a radio station booth and they kept playing ELVIS music... ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! Now don't get me wrong, he sang some lovely songs, and in his prime was quite the eye-candy, but if I hear Blue Suede Shoes one more time..... Fellas, pass me the JD.... :T7C Starfish

the hermit	17 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Starfish Okay, I need some sips of that JD.... Here in my part of Michigan, we do a "Dream Cruise" with cars cruising up and down a major road about this time every year. It's this weekend and my family and I just returned from viewing the cars cruising (mind you, this continues the ENTIRE weekend, tying up traffic and making it nearly impossible to go anywhere by automobile). We stood by a radio station booth and they kept playing ELVIS music... ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! Now don't get me wrong, he sang some lovely songs, and in his prime was quite the eye-candy, but if I hear Blue Suede Shoes one more time..... Fellas, pass me the JD.... :T7C Starfish sounds like maybe you need a "slug" rather than a "sip"... just don't choke like HOLMES did :)

Starfish	17 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by the hermit sounds like maybe you need a "slug" rather than a "sip"... just don't choke like HOLMES did :) Is there enough in the bottle, Hermit? }) As for choking on whiskey, shan't happen - I'll be sipping it. BTW, love the title "Druid" - excellent description. :T7C Starfish

the hermit	17 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Starfish Is there enough in the bottle, Hermit? }) As for choking on whiskey, shan't happen - I'll be sipping it. A good host always has a few more coolin' down in the spring house :) Here, let me pour y'all another glass...

the hermit	17 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Starfish BTW, love the title "Druid" - excellent description. :T7C Starfish some day I'll be a Druidic Sage

jade	17 Aug 2002
and i hope that i'm here to toast you on that day :D love jade

the hermit	17 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by jade and i hope that i'm here to toast you on that day :D love jade until then, have a glass with us and we'll toast old friends, here and gone...

VGimlet	17 Aug 2002
"...a toast, to absent friends...." Isn't there a song by someone called "Elvis is Everywhere?" Even if there isn't, it's running through my head. LOL.

Melvis	17 Aug 2002
While I liked Elvis' music a bit, I don't go into mourning and wear black every year on the anniversary of his death. It's over. It's done with. I'll just enjoy the music he left us with, thank you very much. Regarding the media, don't get me started. Oops...too late. You could take a week's worth of news programming from all the major channels and boil it down to about 30 minutes of real information. The rest is media manipulation and it makes me cringe. It's all just filler cr@p that someone 'focus group' has indicated is exactly what everyone wants to see, or else it is judgemental commentary on a news story from a supposedly impartial news reporting program. Just watch your local newscast and count how many times they use the words "shocking" or "tragic". Unless they are direct quotes from a source in the story those are both words of judgement that have been crafted by a newswriter in an attempt to inflame your sensibilities against some injustice. I guess if I'm all worked up about a news story I just heard I may be more likely to visit my local Jiffy Lube which was conveniently advertised in the commercial that followed the story. And heaven knows, if my local news anchor can't whip me up into a frenzy about the "senselessness" and "brutality" of a litterer caught on tape tossing a MacDonald's bag out her car window, I certainly will exercise my option to change the channel to the competition. While I'm on a rant... ...if I have to see one more "Dateline" hour-long epic on the horrible travesty against humanity that was committed against some poor slob who was in the wrong place at the wrong time (when it could have taken just 2 minutes of time on some overnight program to tell this schmuck's non-story) I just might die. Either that or I'm going to find that guy named "Stone" (?!) and give him a swirlie. Phew. I feel better now. Maybe I'll go listen to a little 'Viva Las Vegas'...maybe pour myself a sip of JD... Peace, Melvis :TSTRE

the hermit	17 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by VGimlet Isn't there a song by someone called "Elvis is Everywhere?" Even if there isn't, it's running through my head. LOL. yep... "Elvis is Everywhere" by Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper (but I can't remember what I had for breakfast... scary)

DarkElectric	18 Aug 2002
OH MY GODS! Somebody else who will admit to knowing who Mojo Nixon is! And Skid Roper too! YAYY! And I never said ol'Elvis didn't have talent, he sure did. But the horrendible media circus that still continues years after his death is yet another example, at least to me, of the old adage "Nothing Exceeds like Excess". And as far as Princess Di, nobody seems to remember that we lost Mother Theresa that same week. Princess Di was cool, but we really shouldn't forget Mom T. She was one of my personal heroes. Anybody who could get $$$out of Charles Keating and give it to the poor is real OK by me!

jade	18 Aug 2002
i always remember them together. it was a very sad week for me. two of my personal heros......princess di and mother t. both did amazing work with very different lives. love jade

january	18 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Tarotphelia Elvis' bad taste is legendary. so un-capricorn!! (We share a birthday, January 8.... along with Jimmy Page, David Bowie and Stephen Hawking). But seriously, I never could quite grasp why celebrities are celebritiies and and the upper echelon of which are granted immortality. Elvis's "kingship" is sort of tantamount to Columbus'. Columbus did not discover America, he just helped make it known to the rest of the world. Others (Vespucci, Erikson) have ventured to the new world prior to his journey, but for some reason, Columbus (in the US) is celebrated. And, as someone stated on this thread... (sorry I can't find the original post... please raise your cyber hand for credit!!!) that Elvis made rock and roll "more palatable to the public" thus making him the king of rock and roll. What is it about being in the public eye that is so fascinating? do celebrities serve as vehicles of transference for many of us? By gossiping about their faults, we look better. By saying we know they go to Starbucks on Third Avenue it makes us feel more valid. The vultures of media capitalize on their appeal or create an appeal (ie, Backstreet Boys, N'Sync, et al.) As Ubrae stated... And the media creates an illusion of that which never existed to sell copy, and folks buy it. By having their lives constantly pushed in our realms it becomes a viral love/hate affair of escapism. Hey, take his music for whatever it means to you. I enjoy some of it myself, I just don't understand the heraldry! Perhaps some of us just have some sort of planetary magentism. ~ january

the hermit	19 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by january Hey, take his music for whatever it means to you. I enjoy some of it myself, I just don't understand the heraldry! Perhaps some of us just have some sort of planetary magentism. ~ january Some managers hire better PR firms than others do... even after you're gone.

lunalafey	19 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by the hermit Umbrae... about Ken and Jerry... well... I think you should hear this from a friend so... you better sit down... (uncorks bottle of Jack Daniels) and have a sip of this first... Have no worries Umbrae, Jerry live on!!! My daughter was born the year after his death on his birthday. She has a white leaf birth mark growing out of her belly button and 2 thick clear hairs among all the fine light brown ones...... And SHE SINGS oh so sweetly and naturally....

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