Xmas Hostility

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 03 Aug 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Dark Inquisitor	03 Aug 2002
I can tell from some of the responses to my Xmas Tree Deco thread that some of you may be harboring pent up hostility to the whole Xmas season. Please post here all of your angst, bad feelings, terrible memories, & ventilations on the subject. Exorcize yourselves to your heart's content. Merry Bitter-mas, Tarotphelia

DarkElectric	03 Aug 2002
I'll never forget the time I went to the mall, and sat on santa's lap, only to realise that he had a boner. Serves me right I guess, for doing that kind of thing at 17...

lunar_rabbit	03 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by DarkElectric I'll never forget the time I went to the mall, and sat on santa's lap, only to realise that he had a boner. Serves me right I guess, for doing that kind of thing at 17... OMG! That is so gross! <>> Yucky!

Dark Inquisitor	03 Aug 2002
Sometimes I think the best way to deal with the Xmas decoration nightmare is just to haul everything out onto the front lawn in a big Xmas pile of crap ball and plug it in and leave it there. I am also very sick of religious cards telling me how wonderful the sender & their faith are. In other words , have a nice Xmas before you burn in hell. Tarotphelia

the hermit	03 Aug 2002
I'm not troubled or angered by the xmas celebrations as much as I'm amused at all of the christianity overlaying the pagan beginnings of this "holiday". As I'm sure many of you know decorating the xmas tree, hanging lights in windows, giving gifts, the yule log, roasting things over the fire, all come from older, pre-christian "pagan" traditions for the celebration of winter solstice. :D

RedWood	03 Aug 2002
the fact that I can not go to the store without being yelled at and elbowed..The suicide rate...The constant complaining of lack of money before and after the holiday..The religous freaks bugging me..HEHE then I mention i am into Tarot and then there is a big debate..I WIN they leave hehe..(ok that was not necessarily a bad thing..sometimes you just get in the mood!! to debate)

DarkElectric	03 Aug 2002
I really dislike the crass commercialism. It's all about $$$$$$$$$$. It makes me very sad. No wonder people feel like committing suicide, and do it. It must make a lot of people feel inadequate, if they don't have money, or don't have family or both. And the Salvation Army bellringers drive me nuts. You come out of the gracery store, and if you don't put anything in the pot, they chase you ringing that damned bell. It's like they are trying to embarrass you by sounding the cheapskate alarm or something. Hey,it's not like they don't make enough money off of me, I can't afford to shop anywhere else :P

cjtarot	03 Aug 2002
Hi all, I respect your holidays...respect others..I know Christmas is screamed at you everytime you turn around..and I'm sorry, BUT.... It's CHRISTMAS....NOT XMAS... XMAS takes the religion out of the holiday and that's my gripe...it would be like you celebrating one of your most holy holiday's and reffering to the Godess as..Oh YA HER.... I think all religions should celebrate their holidays..and put up lights, decorate to high heven..as long as it is in HONOR of the true reason for the celebration and not some joke about "GUESS WHAT I GOT"..It's not about you...or who's front lawn has the most shtuff on it. Blessings to all Cj

RedWood	03 Aug 2002
I respect your decision on the Christmas for xmas..but I dont think Christ was born then...If i celebrate it..we have decided to do winter solstice...So to me..xmas is more like it then Christmas..out of respect for you cj..I will type it Christmas not xmas..That is also one reason i am not teaching my son about christmas...It is all about the presents..I grew up without Christmas and am glad of it..My family did not stress about money we did not have anyway...We could barely afford to eat sometimes let alone worry about christmas presents...i like being able to buy all year round for my son..not just say wait for christmas...

cjtarot	04 Aug 2002
RedWood, Didn't mean to bite...it's just that I was raised to always honor your God/Goddess's name by putting it in caps and writing it out. One way we honor the religion, not the hoopla is by having a birthday cake and sing happy birthday to Jesus..on Christmas eve. It helps to remind the kids why were here...and make sure they know it's not about the presents... bty..one thing we teach them is the reason you use an evergreen is because it represents eternal life, we decorate it to honor the eternal life of the Lord (decorating is a family and friends afair with verry unbreakable handmade ornaments). My thing...keep the religion in the holiday..presents, candy..what ever you exchage comes 2nd.. Blessings.. Cj

the hermit	04 Aug 2002
Cj: I too wish to apologize if my writing style offended. It wasn't meant to. I often don't capitalize god/dess, jesus, buddha, christ, christian, pagan, wicca, witch, druid, celtic, etc. I also don't always capitalize u.s., america, europe, england, etc. I mean no disrespect. It's simply an expediant way of typing quickly in chats and forums AND of showing equal respect for religious concepts in which I no longer believe as well as those I do believe in. As a young catholic at catholic school we were taught that it was alright to write xmas as the x stood for christ and his cross. It was taught as a short hand method, similar to the sign of the fish that early Christians used to semi-secretly identify themselves to each other. The nuns encouraged this sort of thinking. I might point out that for those who don't know, the word Christmas itself is short hand/contraction for Christ's Mass as normally said beginning at midnight Christmas eve or at sunrise Christmas morning. I will try to be more diligent in capitalizing words of religious significance in the future

wavebreaker	04 Aug 2002
The reason why I dislike Christmas is mainly because of the hypocrisy: people talk about "Peace on earth" and being kind to each other at Christmas, and as soon as Christmas is over they fight with their friends again, ignore their family again, cease-fires are ended and people start killing each other again... "Peace on earth" and being kind to each other should be celebrated 365 days a year, not just two days. And then there's the commercial side of it, all the money people are spending just for themselves: on food, fancy clothes, expensive presents nobody really needs. If they would only give a part of that money to charity, at least they would have done something useful with it... And then finally there's the fact that you're not allowed to not like Christmas. It's all over the place, every shop you go into has Christmas music in the background and you're supposed to be happy and enjoying it... Well, I don't see all these people who claim to enjoy it being very happy, all being stressed out because of all the shopping they still have to do... ;)

Mermaid	04 Aug 2002
It means I get to go home and see my folks! And it means I get ... gosh... NINE holidays a year! HOORAY FOR HOLIDAYS! edited to say - green doesn't show up very well, does it? Sorry folks!

Mermaid	04 Aug 2002
Actually, I do have one gripe (a teeny weeny one!) which is that I just don't understand why people have to run round in the summer sun putting up fake pine trees, baking hot dinners, and sending cards with snow on... my family has always just had a barbeque! :D

Umbrae	04 Aug 2002
I hate/love Christmas. I hate the fact that it has become all about the dollar/euro. I hate the fact that Christians had to re-write history in order to celebrate the solstice. I hate the fact the folks go out and take a tree that hurt nobody, cut it down so that it dies slowly, humiliate it as it dies slowly by hanging gee-gaws on it, in front of a window so it can watch trees outside live as it dies. I love family and friends gathering. I love folks singing together, I love the personification of Gebo, and its ties with the solstice. Call it what you will, but I call it X-Mass. Christ was not born in December.

Dark Inquisitor	04 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by the hermit Cj: I too wish to apologize if my writing style offended. It wasn't meant to. I will try to be more diligent in capitalizing words of religious significance in the future Please don't ! Be yourself. Otherwise you encourage nitpicking and politically correct facism. People must try to realize that others are not attacking because of differing views or styles of writing. If I want to use an X to shorten Christmas, so what? Or an X to make it more generic so as not to offend those who are offended by Christmas, so what? It's no big deal. If you want to capitalize, so what? If you insist Xmas is about Christ only, so what? If don't agree, who cares???? I can disagree if I want to- so what? We are not rewriting the Declaration of Independence , it's not so important! We cannot make everyone the same, or everyone agree- what a bore if they do. I am beginning to think we should just start exchanging recipes and talk about the weather. Tarotphelia

Dark Inquisitor	04 Aug 2002
PS- People complain about materialism & commercialism at Xmas. But if it stops, the American economy is a dead duck.

Liliana	04 Aug 2002
I hate the expectations put on me by certain family, dollars and cents spent are supposed to equal out if the dont I get holy hell. One year I was very very poor and had to get everyone gifts from the dollar store, i was made to feel guilty for it the rest of the year. Tis crap. My birthdays December 21 too, so I really prefer Yule as its more a spiritual celebration than the gimme of Christmas, but at least I can say, unlinke most kids born this time, I did not get ripped off in the birthday present department, I just ended up with a huge amount of stuff in December lol Now Halloween, thats my holiday, tons of fun and no one expects a thing from you if you cant stay home to give candy :) :THP

Diana	04 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Tarotphelia I am beginning to think we should just start exchanging recipes and talk about the weather. Tarotphelia: you are quite welcome to start a thread on the weather. Actually, it has been pouring with rain for the last two days, and the sun has just come out here in Switzerland. It's cold for summer, but at least now we can go for a walk without getting soaked. About Christmas. I LOVE Christmas. I love all the lights, the decorations, the music, the Christmas carols, people going out to choose presents for the ones they love, the smell of cinammon and ginger when I bake the biscuits, the mince pies (those are great fruity tartlets that the British eat at Christmas), the bells that ring and ring and ring at midnight from all the churches all over the town, the joy on my son's face when he sees the candles all lit and his presents under the tree, the peace and goodwill that everyone longs for in their hearts but which is difficult to keep up all year long, the family reunions for those who have extended families (I do not unfortunately), the hugs and smiles on everyone's faces. For those who are Christian, I think it wonderful for them to contemplate the birth of their saviour. For those who are pagan, it is wonderful to celebrate their solstice. For those who just love celebrating, it is a perfect occasion. Long live Christmas. p.s. as for the trees: when a tree gets cut down for Christmas it's soul gets sent immediately to the place where trees go when they die, and its looks down on earth and sees how beautiful it looks, it sees the wonder in the little child's eyes when he/she opens the door and see that beautiful lit tree in his/her living room. And the tree is happy to have given such joy. And in it's next life, it will surely be rewarded greatly. (And that is the end of once-upon-a-time story.)

amyel	04 Aug 2002
As I grow older, and now that I have kids to worry about, it gets more & more....depressing. I enjoy the festivities. But I hate having Christmas shoved in my face before Halloween is even here! And I hate the expectations of expense. I hate putting my efforts into making something and having it ... not valued. However, I love shopping for gifts for others. The only one who stresses me out regarding gifts is my hubs. I refuse to spend alot of money on him because he always loses those gifts. And those are the ones I spend effort in thinking about & buying! He didn't grow making lists, as my family did, and I suddenly find myself at a loss of what to get him. So *that* kinda stresses me. But I do enjoy shopping for my stepkids, niece & nephew. That's fun. However, for my step-kids, the adults in their lives have all agreed we need to cut down. They have the holidays with us, another celebration with mommy & step-dad, another with hubs' family, another with my family...you get the picture. Overload!

cjtarot	04 Aug 2002
Liliana, I hate the expectations put on me by certain family, dollars and cents spent are supposed to equal out if the dont I get holy hell. One year I was very very poor and had to get everyone gifts from the dollar store, i was made to feel guilty for it the rest of the year. Tis crap.... Unbelievable...some of the most precious gifts come from the dollar store.. Or even better, just a simple tray (dish) of cookies with a bow..baked with love and what a treat.. Tell them..TIS CRAP..and here's your $.50 gift..lol Blessings Cj

jade	04 Aug 2002
i LOVE christmas and yule. actually yule is the one pagan holiday we never miss celebrating. i adore the way strangers come out and assist people with open hearts and open minds. i love the look on my kids faces as they see the gifts growing under the tree wondering which ones are theirs :D i love the lights. the baking. the time spent together. i love the anticipation of christmas morning, the making of the 'peanut butter covered pine cones for the birds' (yule) i love everything about my christmas and yule celebrations cause i only do what i believe in. the kids are not allowed to buy store bought gifts (for any occasion) so they are off in the craft room making our gifts. (one of my favorites....ever......was when my son learned how to cut with scissors and i got a gift bag FULL of different coloured paper all cut up :D:D:D:D) those are the gifts that i love the most. christmas is whatever you choose to make it. you can make it commercial, you can make it about family, you can make it about stress.......your choice. my choice is about giving and sharing and loving and smiling :D in light, jade :D

amyel	04 Aug 2002
When it is time for the kids to think about gifts for others, I also try to encourage them to make gifts. They get an allowance, and I (we) rarely pay for the gifts they choose. I try to instill the concept of not spending more then you have and that making gifts is more special and personal then buying them. There are always exceptions. For example, their maternal grandmother (a wonderful woman, BTW!) collects santa figures, so R. in particular, likes to pay for a little figure or ornament rather then provide a handmade gift. And that's ok. It's still special to g'ma! Having said that, I'm not sure my brother & his wife in California appreciated the styrofoam snowman my step-son made them one year. This was before they had any kids, so perhaps this will change. :)

Umbrae	04 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Tarotphelia PS- People complain about materialism & commercialism at Xmas. But if it stops, the American economy is a dead duck. This is an uneducated opinion stated as fact, and is dead duck wrong. Holiday sales take up a very small part of the overall economy (educated fact).

Kiama	04 Aug 2002
Wet, slobbery Christmas Kisses from my Great-Aunts. Boxing Day dinner. (COLD turkey?????!!!!! AGH!) The peace and happines being over so quickly, and everybody going back to being grumpy, nasty, and downright miserable. But I LOOOOOVE the faily thing. That is why I stil celebrate Christmas, even though I a Pagan. To me, the Christian celebratons represent a joining togther in unified love and peace, nd mutual respect: All the things Jesus was suppoed to have taught. I keep my Pagan celebrations to myself, and celebrate on my own, but Christmas is for me and the family. Kiama

Dark Inquisitor	04 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Umbrae This is an uneducated opinion stated as fact, and is dead duck wrong. Holiday sales take up a very small part of the overall economy (educated fact). For many stores, the Xmas season is make or break for them - I used to wholesale. How about if the season tanks for years in a row, or spreads to year round slumping sales ? I don't like looking at Xmas crap in August either, but we may be stuck with it . Tarotphelia

Mermaid	04 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Diana p.s. as for the trees: when a tree gets cut down for Christmas it's soul gets sent immediately to the place where trees go when they die, and its looks down on earth and sees how beautiful it looks, it sees the wonder in the little child's eyes when he/she opens the door and see that beautiful lit tree in his/her living room. And the tree is happy to have given such joy. And in it's next life, it will surely be rewarded greatly. (And that is the end of once-upon-a-time story.) LOL, that's really sweet Diana. But I've got to say, if I was a tree, I think I'd really rather just stay planted in the ground and have the little child come out and decorate me!

lunalafey	04 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by the hermit [bi'm amused at all of the christianity overlaying the pagan beginnings of this "holiday". as i'm sure many of you know decorating the xmas tree, hanging lights in windows, giving gifts, the yule log, roasting things over the fire, all come from older, pre-christian "pagan" traditions for the celebration of winter solstice. :d [/b] *amused as well- still celebrates but not for the purpose of a man's birth* Beat me to it hermit... Christmas is the intergration of Christ's birhtday(in August)and the Pagan winter celebration. The Church had to find something to "cover-up" the Pagan traditions. Easter is the same way, Pagan Spring celebrations intergrated with the ressurection. What does a bunch of eggs have to do with the ressurection? and the little bunnies. So much of the Christmas (and Easter) celebrations/traditions are Pagan based. now where does Santa fit in? (heehee-hohoho)

RedWood	04 Aug 2002
I also have this thing about Santa Claus...It is like lying ot your kids..yes there was a guy..no he does not come down the chimney or fly with reindeer..you want your kids not to lie..but yet..the santa clause thing..easter bunny etc...

purplelady	04 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Tarotphelia I am beginning to think we should just start exchanging recipes and talk about the weather. hey, you must know my mother.

Diana	05 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by RedWood I also have this thing about Santa Claus...It is like lying ot your kids..yes there was a guy..no he does not come down the chimney or fly with reindeer..you want your kids not to lie..but yet..the santa clause thing..easter bunny etc... Santa Claus is quite my favourite person. He is always jolly, and he gives jobs to unemployed elves who learn new skills. And he is the only one who has flying reindeer. And he has a twinkle in his eye and he's all cuddly. And he knows how to climb down chimneys without getting dirty, and no-one knows how he climbs up them again, but he does. And every year my son and I put a glass of milk and biscuits out for him in case he's thirsty and hungry, and every year the plate and glass are empty in the morning. Once he even wrote a note saying "Thank you! and Happy Christmas" and my son was so happy to see that Santa and I have almost the same handwriting.

Liliana	05 Aug 2002
We dont do Santa Claus either, we taught them that hes a spirit that lives in everyone during the Christmas season, and that he helps us choose some extra special presents just for them. (Actually we are low income and get toys at Christmas from the Salvation Army, all of which are from Santa Claus, what embodies Santa Claus better than toys donated with love by strangers to strangers) We also mark the presents with all kinds of names for Santa, saint nicholas, papa noel, father christmas, and a number of others all give our kids presents. Of course we buy stuff from us too, and my oldest has a birthday December 20 (day before mine hehe) so we have birthday presents too :THP

mara	05 Aug 2002
[quote]Originally posted by cjtarot [b] It's CHRISTMAS....NOT XMAS... :) Thanks for making that statement cjtarot, I agree completely. The way I celebrate Christmas (not xmas), I celebrate the Christ conciousness hopefully reaching the mass of the people :) That's what I see in Christmas. The thing I dislike most about Christmas is the way people make it a present giving holiday, and forget the true meaning of it. Today all it seems to be about in the general population is presents, present and more presents (the only thing that that's good for is the economy!!). And kids these days aren't even happy anymore if they aren't big expensive gifts. No sorry that takes the fun out of christmas for me. I preffer to spend it without all the "frills" (exept for the tree and the tiny lights) :D Mara

Sam	05 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by DarkElectric I'll never forget the time I went to the mall, and sat on santa's lap, only to realise that he had a boner. Serves me right I guess, for doing that kind of thing at 17... wel at least he wasn't doing a back and forth motion...

midnightmerry	05 Aug 2002
Bah Humbug!! I love Yule/Xmas and everything about it- Santa Claus, the lights, the shopping, the whole kit & kaboodle! As far as commercialism goes, people allow themselves to (pardon the pun) 'buy' into that whole scene; my husband & I decided a couple years ago that we won't buy each other a thing & only a couple of things for our loved ones. The gifts we do get for others are really heartfelt, based on what we feel, not feeling we have to buy, buy, buy. We explained to our loved ones that this is just how we feel about it. Any problems they have with it is their own personal hangups & we don't worry about it, frankly. We have a blast at Yule & still go to the malls just to see the madness. We hang some lights, decorate a tree, cook up a storm, and enjoy the season completely, sans gifts. We watch Midnight Mass on tv with the Pope & play/sing carols and also celebrate the Solstice. For me, it is a great time of year & I'd celebrate even if I were alone (which I did at one point). As far as the spelling 'Xmas', I have no problem with that either, obviously. I also spell God/Goddess as Gd/dess sometimes when I type. There's no disrespect intended & I think Gd/dess/Christ aren't too worried about such trivialities, but that is just my opinion. So I'll still use the abbreviation.

DarkElectric	05 Aug 2002
Hey, It isn't just holiday commercialism I get steamed about, It's the materialism culture in general which reaches a fever pitch around this time, adding to the ferocious angst which (at least around here) causes people to beat each other to a pulp over who took the closest parking space to the mall, and other such obvious displays of seasonal loving kindness. The economy is in the toilet right now, I admit, we need to get it going. And it's unfortunately true, the holiday retail season has a lot to do with it. (I was in retail, and our store made 72%of our yearly sales between September and January.) So what can we do? The marketing culture has become a great, lumbering beast which sells products, and turns everything into a product so it can be sold. Even I have to face the fact that my art is a product, my music is a product. It comes from my soul, sure. And no, I don't like that. But I live here, and that's the way it is, if I want to keep the bills paid, and not starve. I just don't want ME to be turned into a product. That's entertainment.

Violet Gargoyle	05 Aug 2002
Decorate Once, Decorate Early, Decorate with Panache. Leave the Halloween Decorations Up till Spring!!!! Actually I do this. Well, not really til spring, but from October to January anyway. I have purple, orange, red, and blue light strings that I put up for Halloween/Samhein. A few minor changes after the Day of the Dead and Presto! Its now Winter Festive in my house. I hate trying to decorate in the icy cold weather, can you tell?

Laurel	05 Aug 2002
I love Christmas too. Everything about it. Its the one Christian holiday I celebrate. Santa, the reindeer, Tiny Tim, the Grinch, candlelight Christmas Eve mass, the overcrowded shopping malls, snow. I start singing Christmas carols the minute the Thanksgiving turkey carcass is tossed out and don't stop until New Years. Laurel

Red raven	06 Aug 2002
I like the decorating the most. Shiny things, fluffy things, things that light up. (I have all the taste & control of a deranged magpie when it comes to decorations for any holiday.) Usually, some of the family comes visiting and other stuff like that. on the other side of things, ever notice how around christmas people are either being really 'nice', or they're exceedingly cranky?There's never really much of a grey area there.

Diana	06 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Laurel I love Christmas too. (.........) Santa, the reindeer, Tiny Tim, the Grinch, (.........) Laurel Laurel: who is Tiny Tim? He sounds fun. If you tell me about him, I'll be able to include him in my fun for next Christmas.

Kiama	06 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by RedWood I also have this thing about Santa Claus...It is like lying ot your kids..yes there was a guy..no he does not come down the chimney or fly with reindeer..you want your kids not to lie..but yet..the santa clause thing..easter bunny etc... If we say this, then surely we should not read any fantasy stories to our kids either? No Ugly Duckling, no Cinderella, no Snow White... No Peter Pan... That would be a sad sad childhood. I think a good compromise would be to tell kids about Santa, but not tell them he is real, but that he is the embodiment of what Christmas is about... Giving to others, not necessarily materially, and being happy and 'jolly' towards your fellow man. Then, bring that to them all year round... Kiama

Diana	06 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Kiama No Peter Pan... That would be a sad sad childhood. Aaaw! You mean Peter Pan doesn't exist either? No, I don't believe it. You're just pulling my leg. Nice try, Kiama!! :)

jade	06 Aug 2002
i believe that a little magic and creativity are important in a child's life. my eldest daughter JUST stopped believing santa, she's 15 :D since she stopped we made the decision to let the other kids know that santa isn't a person, but a feeling, compassion, giving, sharing and loving. in light, jade

Red Emma	06 Aug 2002
Christmas to me is overload. Mega overload! When I was working and my children were still home, I was living flat out all the time to keep the family fed and clothed, the house clean, the meals cooked. All that Jazz! Barely the time or energy to eat and sleep. Then along came Christmas. The expectations on me, on the children were horrendous. I truly, truly disliked it. We had very little money, but the society blared advertisements all day, all night! The ads implied that in order to be a good person, you had to buy! buy! buy! If you didn't your family, especially the children would suffer. Somehow I managed to create a holiday atmosphere for the kids. And I spent as little money as possible. Now and again my boys (now 50 and 51) still talk about those holidays. As a family now we take the sting out of the day by buying presents only for the grandchildren. One of the best holidays I've had was about three years ago when my grandchildren were slated to spend Christmas with their mother and her new husband. That year, when my son had the children the week before Christmas, we celebrated the day then. It was close enough to Solstice to make it the focal point. We had a great time. The day after when I woke up to the radio and heard the announcer say, "Only four more shopping days until Christmas," I sighed in contentment, turned over and went back to sleep.

destinyawaitsme	06 Aug 2002
I like Christmas. Casseroles wouldn't be nearly as fun if they weren't reserved for special days! Yeah the commercialism sucks. But here's my all time big beef with Christmas: I don't know about you folks but every Christmas for me is a big dysfunctional family get together. Someone gets drunk, or someone gets in a fight. One of my little cousins will throw a tantrum over presents. (Seriously folks, I didn't know 5th graders could be so greedy.) I just wish that Christmas could be a time where everyone could just shut up and enjoy the hashbrown casserole.

jade	07 Aug 2002
you need to come to my home for christmas. no one is unhappy. no one is drunk. no one is out of control. just smiles, joy and lots of great food! in light, jade

Dark Inquisitor	07 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by destinyawaitsme I don't know about you folks but every Christmas for me is a big dysfunctional family get together. Someone gets drunk, or someone gets in a fight. One of my little cousins will throw a tantrum over presents. (Seriously folks, I didn't know 5th graders could be so greedy.) I just wish that Christmas could be a time where everyone could just shut up and enjoy the hashbrown casserole. [/b] Sounds remarkably like this forum sometimes! Tarotphelia

Diana	07 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by destinyawaitsme I don't know about you folks but every Christmas for me is a big dysfunctional family get together. Someone gets drunk, or someone gets in a fight. One of my little cousins will throw a tantrum over presents. (Seriously folks, I didn't know 5th graders could be so greedy.) I just wish that Christmas could be a time where everyone could just shut up and enjoy the hashbrown casserole. Sounds remarkably like life in general! Well, I suppose Christmas is a part of life, and not a Hollywood movie. And I love life.

jade	07 Aug 2002
and.................... this forum is a part of all of our lives :D it's not any less real or special just because it's done on the net! in light and love, jade

WolfSpirit	10 Aug 2002
I love Christmas. My brain agrees with the commercialsim/hypocrisy etc. statements, but well, i just love the smell of the pine tree and the decorations in shape of birds and the lights and candles... Must have something to do with the happy Christmasses of my childhood. Luckily we never had the traditional Christmas dinners, I hate those. Also we never had the tradition of buying each other presents (I'm Dutch) so I don't have to rush off to the stores at the last minute. Last year I went to my friend in Scotland just after Christmas and he asked What presents did you get ? I said None, we don't do that. He said: o, that's so cool ! You knew from his presents people did not know what to give him. I would not mind getting a few new decks under the tree though :D

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