Astral Projection !!!!!

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 17 Feb 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Ramses	17 Feb 2002
Hey folks... how are you today?...Hope you´re fine... You know...I´ve been reading about astral projection...very interesting subject...Have you read about it ?...Experienced it? In the books I´ve read, they say that there are many signs you can pay attention to in order to realize you´re having an out-of-body experience... Well, so one day I was concentrating to try to do it...to leave my body for a while...of course, I chickened out at the last minute...thought I wasn´t ready...but, I felt all the symptoms...they are : you´ll hear a noise inside your head, and it gets louder and louder...as if you had a cricket inside your brain... you´ll feel your body either expand, or reduce in size... you´ll feel like if you were floating etc...etc... There are many other signs of an out-of-body experience...if anyone´s interested, I may check them out later... But, it was very interesting...I felt all that at once...then, as I felt I wasn´t ready to do that at that moment, I started concentrating on the 'real' world, moving my toes, or legs, so I could stay in bed...lol They also say that it´s quite possible that when you dream you´re falling down, it may indicate an out-of-body experience...or, when you make a sudden ,and violent, movement in bed...a non-voluntary movement of an arm, or a leg, for instance... Well, what do you people think?...Have you ever had these experiences???...Do you like the idea??? LOVE,PEACE AND HARMONY TO YOU ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kalin	17 Feb 2002
Very interesting subject...I personally haven't had any experiences bordering on astral projection. I've tried guided meditations to past lives and got some impressions--tried to post them in a thead that asked about past life regression but kept getting a "Page Expired" error message (kind of strange because the post was long-ish but not THAT long...LOL). Anyway, I've read astral projection can be dangerous, but if there was some sort of guided class like the past life regression class, then yes, I'd try it. Don't know if I'd be any good at it or get anything from it, though. I haven't had a "falling down" dream in years and most of the experiences I've had--which were not too many--that hinted at tapping into psychic ability were in the area of clairaudience. Kalin :)

Pollux	17 Feb 2002
I think I have had, once, a clear experience of this kind. But maybe, it's something else: so I'll post it in brief. I was having a bath - so warm and relaxing! ;) - and I stood up, and started washing myself... Raising my head, I cought a glimpse of myself - my body - in the mirror opposite the bath (I remember I was thinking really concentrated about something, you know, when your brain starts dashing and you become step by step "all brain", has it ever happened to you?). However, while I was so focused on this thoughts, I looked at myself in the eyes... After, I remember seeing nothing but blackness (I actually wasn't paying attention to the sight, as if I had turned it off :) ), and I felt such a lightness, a sense of connection with my inner self as well as with the outer everything (that was SO peaceful ;p )and I felt almost like floating. At a certain point, it was as if I was above my own body: I remember clearly seeing from above at the same time my body underneath fixed, and his reflection in the mirror, gazing at each other... Then I felt something heavy hit my body, on the chest- I got this sensation from sight, has I saw the body fall on the bath's side, but also in my "floating" part, has a hand bringing me down violently (the pain itslef, right?). I found myself with a strong pain in my chest, lying in the bath doggo. That was such a weird experience. ??? I have so often "falling dreames", and even more often while I sleep I have sudden twist in the bed, and simiilar things - especially with my head and arms/legs. I might consider linking them to out-of-body stuff... They are frequent when I am so deep in thought (as I was in the bathroom! :D ) and, at the same time, I'm losing consciousness to sleep. I hope someone will clarify my doubts... I get so frustrated because, provided that these are signs of psychic abilities or the like, I really have no clue about how to channel this energies, how to cultivate this skills, how to grow on them... :( However, I never try to "produce" such things, I like it when they happen alone... :) Ramses, WOW! Your posts are always so interesting! :)

faunabay	17 Feb 2002
Rameses, You read my mind! :* Very recently I've gotten the urge to learn more about this very thing!!!! I'll be eagerly awaiting more replies to your question here.

faunabay	17 Feb 2002
I haven't had a chance to read anything on this yet, but have seen books on astral projection and astral travel. What's the difference???

Scorpion	17 Feb 2002
Hi, Ramses! It is a fascinating subject, but I think you're right - if you don't feel ready for it it's not a good idea. I've had what I think were a few astral experiences - I can only describe them as dreams where I know I'm awake because the quality is so different. It wasn't something I did voluntarily. I picked up a book and did some of the exercise, but I came back so exhausted and drained (similar to the strange feeling someone stated another post on) that I've left it for the time being. Faunabay - I don't think there is much of a difference, just different names for it. Probably sells more books etc! Maybe someone else has a good explanation for it. Pollux - it does sound as if you were off on the astral to me. I too have had experiences where coming back to my body wasn't very pleasant - years ago I went through a phase where it was like returning to a dead body, I was sooooo cold and leaden I thought I'd never get myself going again! I'm not sure why it should be - there must be a pleasant way of returning and I intend to keep working at it until I get it right because I think it's a great thing: I love what's going on when I'm out there! Kailin (I think it is - I can hardly read this screen!) that's a great idea - classes in astral projection: it would certainly give it a "safe" feel. Does anybody know if there is such a thing? I suppose it would be difficult to insure yourself! But there are development circles, so why not astral projection?

amyel	17 Feb 2002
Hi Ramses, I have had a few "out-of-body" experiences, but I don't know if these are officially astral projections. I have never had control over them - they just happen when they happen. I can say, though, that in all situations, I was very relaxed, so I would guess this is the common element. Most happen when I am almost asleep. I have the sensation of moving through my home, and I can quite clearly see everything, even though my eyes are most definately closed. I can see myself laying in bed, I can move through doors and such. It is not a memory, per se. I see things are they actually are. It's kinda hard to explain. One event that actually spooked me, though, was several years ago. It may have been my first experience, and I think part of what spooked me was that I didn't know what was going on! My sister had come up to western Canada to visit me and we had rented a car and were driving from Banff to Jasper via the Ice Fields Parkway in the Canadian Rocky Mountins. (The Ice Fields Parkway is this fabulous two lane hwy that cuts through the Rockies, pretty much north/south, in the Banff Nat'l Park. It is all wilderness and glaciers and such - very beautiful drive). Anyway, sis had fallen asleep and I was driving - and suddenly, I had the sensation I was floating above and outside the car, flying through the air. I looked down and I could see the car; I could see the Crowfoot glacier - and from my altitude, I could see why it was called the crowfoot - I could see the mountians in the distance. It was phenomal - and then I guess my more conscious self realized that floating above the car whilst I was driving it was not, perhaps, such a smart idea, and I felt this....crash... as my two consciousness' rejoined. Unless you have experienced it, it is kinda difficult to explain the sensation, and most likely sounds completely crazy. I've had a few other experiences, but that one remains the most intense. Sometimes I wish I knew how to control them, but I don't pursue it. Part of me figures that it happens when it "needs" to happen, for either a positive or negative reason. Maybe to show me the beauty I would otherwise have missed. Maybe to allow me to ensure my home space was "safe". I don't know why. For now, I am content to let it just happen and enjoy the feeling of awe that accompanies it.

Ramses	17 Feb 2002
Hey folks...hope you´re all fine... unfortunatelly, I haven´t had the time I wanted to have to spend hours here, on the forums...cause I love them, and I love you all, people.... I won´t have time to post anything new about this subject now, but I promise that, as soon I have some spare time, I will be back, and try to answer some of the questions that were already asked... this is a very fascinating subject...I´ve been reading a lot about it...and my girlfriend...lol....she´s been buying each and every book she sees about it ... well, I´ll come back...see you soon... LOVE,PEACE AND HARMONY TO YOU ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pollux	18 Feb 2002
amyel: my experience is so similar to yours! I tought of something else too: it often happens to me to "lose consciousness" while I'm reading, and I think of other thinks in the same time. As if I detatched my sense (the sight, again: reading) and my mind (realising what I'm reading). All the same, to me, reading doesn't make sense without getting absent-minded to think about what I am reading ;p The stupid thing is, probably, that I try to keep on reading while I do that! Sort of Windows multi-tasking! :D However, two things, now, I can relate: 1) Relaxation - when you feel you are just going down, ad so peacefully... :) 2) Detatching mind/thoughts and action/senses - the active inside and the active outside - the mind and the body. Can this be considered sign of psychic abilites or any other type of skills? ???

tarotbear	18 Feb 2002
Many times when I was younger I would wake suddenly because I felt as though I had been dropped 'back' onto the bed. I always wonder if I had been floating or if I had been astrally projecting.

barbie	18 Feb 2002
hello everyone! ive been greatly interested in astral projection for as long as I can remember. Ive had those experiences many times! I tried concentrating on getting out of my body a few nights ago....my body went numb...and the buzzing in my mind grew louder and more violent. My soul seemed to shake...and I started to rise upward, I freaked out!!! and slammed back into my body! ahhh I was so dissapointed! I haven't been able to achieve this yet! but i'm only 14 so I guess I have a ways to go. Does anyone have any suggestions to help me calm my mind, so I don't fail again?! so close...but yet so far away...hehe love to all ~barbie

Kiama	19 Feb 2002
Quote: tarotbear (19 Feb, 2002 08:50): Many times when I was younger I would wake suddenly because I felt as though I had been dropped 'back' onto the bed. I always wonder if I had been floating or if I had been astrally projecting. I get this quite lot. It kinda feels like an elevator stopping suddenly, and I always wake up when it happens. It happens usually in that time just between sleep and wake.... Kiama

Ramses	19 Feb 2002
Hey Faunabay.... there´s no difference at all between astral projection and astral travel...it´s just two different names for the same thing...and there are more names for it .... And, Kalin...there´s no danger at all in the practice of astral projection...you just gotta do it right....you gotta learn how to do it right, if you´re trying to do a conscious astral projection...cause we do it pretty often, in an unconscious level.... Astral projection is the act of leaving the body and having conscience of the experience...there´s no harm on it ...one´s gonna be just fine...if you do it, you´re gonna enter the world of the spirits...if you keep your energy very positive, no negative spirits will come close to you... and you don´t have to worry about the possibility of not being able to come back to your material body... There is, in astral projection, something called " the silver cord" ( or silver string, or silver web, or light cord, or vital cord, or energy cord, or string of Ariadne, etc...)...this is a cord, or string, that connects you to your material body...this cord is absolutely unbreakable, for it´s made of energy...and it´s there to make sure you always return safelly to your material body...this cord appears to be connected to your material body from the head... And, you also asked what could be the purpose of it ...well...the purpose is of achieving a higher conscience of the spiritual world...also, to help other people, in a spiritual level....when we´re in our spiritual, or astral, forms, we are more capable of concentrating our energies, positive energies, in order to help, to send good vibes and healing energies to other people, or to spirits in need... Well, if you folks have any other questions, to which I might have the answers, I´ll be pleased to help...and, if I don´t have the answer, I´ll also be pleased to try to find the answer through some research... LOVE,PEACE AND HARMONY TO YOU ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ramses	19 Feb 2002
well, just trying to answer a few more questions now ... yes, there are astral projection classes...I,once, enrolled for a class, but unfortunatelly there were no more vacancies for last semester...so, I hope this semester I can take that class, in the Holistic School where I took my Reiki course, here in São Paulo, Brazil.... as for that affirmation...I don´t think it can be called an astral projection act the experience of going absent-minded during a reading, or any other activity when you were awake...eventhough it´s similar to an astral projection, the official one, as far as I know, requires that you´re in an almost unconscious level, such as when you´re almost asleep... but, I can´t explain that experience mentioned before...maybe it was something close to an astral projection...maybe an altered state of mind...I don´t know... and, about the sensation of falling down during the sleep...it´s not a proof of astral projection activity, but might simply indicate the possibility of the occurence of one... as I mentioned before, in another post within this thread, there are many symptoms of an astral projection activity, but none of them can garantee that you were having one...you´ll know you had one for the memories you have of the whole act, or a substantial part of it , etc... some other symptoms of a projection may be : catalepsy- when you try, but can´t move your body sliding- when you feel your body slide quickly to one side expansion- the body seems to expand or reduce in size fall- that feeling of falling down lucid dream- when you notice you can control a dream, etc. dreams of flight- when you dream you´re flying...mostly in combination with a lucid dream... constant buzzing- you feel like there´s a loud noise inside your brain, as if you had a cricket in your head... seizures(spasms)- the body slightly trembles, many times, right before you sleep... just remembering...all these symptoms may appear right before you reach an almost unsconscious level, such as when you´re asleep...and, they´re just indicators of the possibilty of an astral projection activity... LOVE,PEACE AND HARMONY TO YOU ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!

Ramses	19 Feb 2002
oh...and as for you Barbie.... well, I read my notes and books again, and some info on websites...and the conclusion, and suggestion I have for you is this one... you will be able to accomplish this experience when the right time comes...just don´t try to rush things... work with meditation...respiration exercises...relaxation techniques...you gotta work your mind telling it not to fear what doesn´t have to be feared... LOVE,PEACE AND HARMONY TO YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

purplelady	19 Feb 2002
Quote: [b] amyel (18 Feb, 2002 04:55) Most happen when I am almost asleep. I have the sensation of moving through my home, and I can quite clearly see everything, even though my eyes are most definately closed. I can see myself laying in bed, I can move through doors and such. It is not a memory, per se. I see things are they actually are. It's kinda hard to explain. I have the exact same experience. I don't see my own body however. But I do see everything exactly as it is , as clear or clearer than normal. I am convinced that I am in my astral body , leaving my physical body as I fall asleep , and perhaps the room is an astral room? So close to the physical that it's like it - but different?! And surely I must be seeing through my astral eyes because it is just too real and too clear to be only a dream! As for the falling sensation , or a dream that you are falling right before awakening , I've heard this is the astral body returning to the physical body. I've also heard that everybody astral projects or travels , every night. You just don't remember it as such.

Ramses	20 Feb 2002
____________________________________________________ As for the falling sensation , or a dream that you are falling right before awakening , I've heard this is the astral body returning to the physical body. I've also heard that everybody astral projects or travels , every night. You just don't remember it as such.[/quote] ____________________________________________________ Yes Purplelady...you´re absolutelly right, on both affirmations... and , about the fact that we astral project every night...that´s true...there are three different kinds of astral projection...they are : *Unconscious projection - that´s when you´re completelly sleeping, and you have no memory left of it when you wake up... *Semi-conscious projection - you´re completelly absorbed by the images and ideas of your dreams, but the projection is easilly taken as a simple dream... *Conscious projection - that´s the lucid projection, when the projector is lucid during the experience, and can remember it after he/she wakes up...this is the kind of projection one should aim at, and develop it ... LOVE,PEACE AND HARMONY TO YOU ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

blumoon	20 Feb 2002
this might sound a tad dumb but i figured that astral projection and astral travel were different, astral projection being when you are able to visit someone in a dream by "projecting" your astral self over to them, and astral travel being the process of being out of your body and flying, the journey not the destination if you get what i mean...but then again i might be wrong, i am no expert :-) has anyone pulled a calf muscle while sleeping and you can feel the pain and you are asleep but a part of you has disconnected yourself so the pain is not fully experienced? i get that every now and then..would that just be your unconscious dealing with pain or would it have something to do with seperation of the two bodies? i read about someone who was learning to astal travel and to prove that it was indeed working she flew over some landmarks and places so she could use the info to verify that her trip was real

purplelady	20 Feb 2002
I have pulled a calf muscle in my sleep! ouch! The other day I had a migrane (They're miserable) and sleep is the only cure. So , I went to sleep , and recall waking up at 2 or 3 am , and for a few seconds I did not feel the pain of the head-ache. And then I could actually feel it return in layers, or waves. The question IS , was I really out of my body thus feeling no pain ? OR was I just too unconscious to Know I was feeling any pain? I wonder if such a question will ever really be proven or answered?

faunabay	20 Feb 2002
Ok I checked out a book from the local library called "The Secret of the Soul - Using Out-of-body Experiences to Understand Our True Nature" by William Buhlman. It's was pretty interesting and very easy to read. Had lots of stories about what others had gone through and accomplished astrally. Anyway though what I wanted to tell you was as I was reading it it triggered some memories I had forgotten about!!!!! When I was younger up until I was in college every once in a while I would be in bed almost asleep when my body would begin feeling VERY heavy. It didn't feel like anything was pushing me down, just that my whole body was so heavy that I couldn't move at all. It scared me so much that I would feel like if I didn't move I would die. Well actually at first it felt cool, but as I got heavier that's when it got scary. I felt if I could just move a finger or a toe that would break the "spell". Now I feel it was probably leading up to astral travel but I freaked out because I didn't know what it was. I never did hear the buzzing or anything else. But my body would be almost paralyzed with heaviness. Wow I hadn't thought about that in a long time. It hasn't happened in years. Maybe I'll have to experiment again. :)

Ramses	21 Feb 2002
Hey Blumoon.... well, astral projection and astral travel are really the same thing....but I can follow you....your affirmation is logical... so, if you wanna call astral projection the simple action of getting out of your material body, and astral travel when you start visiting other places, far from your material body...well, it´s pretty valid...so you can tell the difference when you simply stay close to your body from when you decide to go for a "walk"... LOVE,PEACE AND HARMONY TO YOU ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marion	21 Feb 2002
I would have to say that my soul is not well stuck to my body, but I did have one experience that to me was an unambiguous case of astral travel. It was some months after my husband and I got divorced. I was having one of those periods, wondering if I made a mistake, getting a little sad and weepy, thinking about him. I went to bed. I was in that place between sleep and wake, hypnogogic state, when I was suddenly floating over him, as he slept in his bed. I knew the room of course, since I slept in it many years. I was not fully concious of the situation and I reached out to touch his face. He woke with a terrible start and started to stare around. I panicked and 'willed' myself home. I made sure I was very firmly in my body before I went back to sleep. I know beyond any doubt that some part of me went to his bedroom and he sensed me and woke up.

truthsayer	22 Feb 2002
i've had the dream of falling and waking up before i crashed. lucid dreaming and flying, too. flying is generally very nice. the only time while not sleeping that i felt like i left my body was during a shamanic journey. felt that SLAM! in returning like some of you have described. did any of you feel a strong sense of disappointment that you had to return to the entrapment of the physical body when it felt SO WONDERFUL to be free? i had surgery over 2 years ago. i've read and seen on tv so many out of body experiences while under anesthesia that i fully intended to have one, too. needless to say i was disappointed to wake up in the recovery room w/o seeing the tunnel or the other side or grandma or the ever popular,"turn back! it's not your time!" i also wanted to watch my surgery overhead to make sure the surgeon did it right and i was in a position to give him a few hints on how to do his job better! rofl :D poor guy prob would have dropped his scapel and run out of the OR screaming. i might have really gotten my chance to see the light then! :p perhaps why the powers that be decided that i didn't need this experience! ;D

Mateo06	22 Feb 2002
Ok, don't jump on me here. but when i did pot for my first time ithink i expeirence someting like astral projection. After i had smoked some it felt like time was stretch out over weeks and weeks but it was only like a few hours. well it felt like my mind would pop in and out, but something was still in my body was controling everything i did, but it wasn't me who was doing it. it felt like there were two ppl in my body and I myself wasn't in control but was poping in and out. and it scared the hell out of me. Has anyone else had an expierence like this?

Ramses	22 Feb 2002
lol....hey Mateo06...funny story pal...but, what you had definetelly wasn´t an astral projection experience...lol... as you said, you were under the effects of some pot...so, what you´ve felt was caused by the drug...it was just a chemical stimulation....your brain got messed up...you thought you had no control, or partial control of your body...but it was simply the pot speaking... I can say that cause some time ago I smoked some pot, and on the second time I did it , felt almost the same way you described...feeling that time was strange, feeling partial control of my body...feeling like floating....but, that´s almost the same thing when you get drunk.... So, two things for you : either you quit doing pot, and try some real astral projection, or you keep on smoking it , and take serious risks of damaging your brain.... And, I´m serious here, pal...I´ve smoked that before, for some time, and I can really say that´s not something clever to be doing...that´s why I never did it again... Be healthy...you have a whole life to live, and to be happy... LOVE,PEACE AND HARMONY TO YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

blumoon	23 Feb 2002
truthsayer i can relate to you on the surgery you mentioned, though for me at the time i had surgery (or you could say didnt cause they stuffed up) i wasnt into astral travel and lucid dreaming then and i was thinking please DONT let me wake up (i have a fear of anything related to surgical/blood/sharp pointy needle stuff) and like you i had images of waking up in the middle of it, either floating above checking out what the doc is up to or just waking up because the anesthesia has worn off argh :-( i did have a dream once of going down a hill in a car which didnt have working brakes and i tried pumping them and the hill was really steep, once i had thought i had got to the bottom of the hill i woke up or the dream ended or both, i cant remember now...scary stuff... :-)

aciddragon	23 Feb 2002
I just found this topic!! Now this is something I wanna do so bad it hurts. I normally relax lying down..Which I know is bad and part of my problem cause I fall asleep most of the time, but I don't feel like I'm very relax when I'm sitting. How do you triggers the projection once your relaxed?!? I got several books on Projecting but not enough time to read them all. I was reading one of your ealier post about catalepsy- when you try, but can´t move your body. I've had that happen a couple of times..but it was before I knew of Astral Projection. Catalepsy was soo strange. I remember being asleep then hearing something that woke me up but I wasn't awake. I tried moving to look around to where the noise was but couldn't. I could see but it was just straight up. It took several minutes (or so it seemed) before I actually woke up. I was sort of freck about not being able to move. It figures now that I want it to happen it won't...arg. Well, I don't plan on stopping, but I really wish I knew how to find a class to teach you like you stated in an earlier post. Anyway, Thanks for any help insight to a wanna be Astral Projecter. ;)

Mateo06	24 Feb 2002
aciddragon what you expierenced, and i am pretty sure isn't anything near astral projection. Its called sleep praralysim or something. Its when ur mind can't really tell ur body to do anthing because ur body is still alseep. but ur mind isn't. But i could be totally wrong and this could actually be something close to astral projection. I just remember reading somehting about it

aciddragon	24 Feb 2002
Well, honestly I don't know if it was or not..but I was just going off ramses post. So...Either way, I'm not going to stop trying! :)

Major Tom	25 Feb 2002
This is a subject that has interested me since I was 12 years old. At this age my parents were very involved with the Association for Research and Enlightenment (A.R.E.)(established by Edgar Cayce). We were living in San Antonio at the time and every year would attend an A.R.E. conference at Parris, Texas. There were various presentations for the various age groups and Hugh Lynn Cayce gave my age group a lecture about Astral Projection. He told us a story about his confrontation with one of his thought forms that scared me (and others) deeply. I've carried this fear of astral projection ever since. Despite the fear, I acquired a book titled The Llewellyn Practical Guide to Astral Projection by Melita Denning and Osborne Phillips and despite what I would call an annoying writing style it does present a logical sequence of exercises designed to teach you to lucidly astral project. Though my fear, I have never completed all the excercises. :D But I have had some very interesting experiences out of my body - very much like the others here have described. Flying is great fun! I only wish I had better control over when it happens. }> I've really got to work on my fear issues. :D

aciddragon	25 Feb 2002
I just got that book but haven't had the time to read it. I hope I will be able to read it very soon. The bad part is I'm impatience and will start skimming the book. :D But I will try to fight that cause I want to learn it and not hinder myself more by missing something important.

GeminiLady	26 Feb 2002
Hi Gang, I found this ebook that had some good tips on how to astral travel, so I thought I'd post it. I hope it helps :-) http://www.newage.com.au/library/astralrsb1.1.html Love and Light, Gem

Kiama	01 Mar 2002
Here you go, RainbowFire! Hope this helps! Kiama (If anyone's confused, RainbowFire asked in another thread about Astral Projection, so I offered to bump this one up to the top for her to read.)

VmprGokuboi69	11 Apr 2002
I've had a few, it was quite interesting, i could see myself in a different way than just looking into a mirror, it was rather awsome. Anyway, just thought id share it... it usually happens to me when im meditating, or linking with someone. I usually associate astral projection the transporting the spirit part of your physical body to a different place.. not perhaps different tme.. just different place ~Danny

Ramses	17 Apr 2002
wow...that´s really nice to see so many people interested in this interesting subject... I just hope that some day I can have an astral experience...cause, up to now, I´ve only read a ton of books about it, but no real experience that I know....snif...snif...

gloworm102	17 Apr 2002
Hi Ramses & others, glad to find this thread. Have been A/T for approx 53 yrs. A/project (as I see it) only a couple of times & was seen by others & frightened the life out of them when I disappeared before their eyes. I lived 400 miles from them & they knew I was at home. They were even able to describe what I was wearing at the time. I have been TAKEN!! on a flight in order to witness a coming event, & been spoken to & told things during OBE when the information was important to others &/or self. I would like to talk to anyone who has experienced the VERY! loud knocking, such that you leap out of bed immediately on returning to body & race madly to open the door. I never warned my spouse of my ESP until we had been married a few mths. Being a non-believer in these matters I scared him out of his wits on more than one occasion. Advice - be pure in mind/spirit/body just relax. The body brings you back if it needs you. The aforesaid silver chord stretches forever but can pull you back so fast you slam in sometimes. (It is mentioned in the Bible by the way. I will look up reference for you & post later. Good Luck to all. Sorry this is so long.

zorya	17 Apr 2002
glad you wrote in gloworm :) there are so many different out of body experiences! i'd like to know the actual names of them. i've left my body and seen it from above, i've floated around my house but not seen my body, i've flown over different places, i frequently leave my body for shamanic journeys.and i've dreamt in someone else's body ( that i didn't know ) and seen through their eyes.

gloworm102	19 Apr 2002
Hello zorya, isn't this interesting forum? I never stay around house or see my body. (Not much to look at anyway). Always 1st become aware somewhere else. Often in future. Very disconserting as cannot change it when back in this world. Somethings we might be better off not knowing. Often face shocks twice over. Frequently amongst friends/family, distance no object. Can even tell them of changes they've made in house although 1000's of miles away. Am conscious of privacy laws operating. Mine or cosmic? Don't know. Symbolism can be confusing at times & conscious mind gets in way of memory &/or interpretation if not written down immediately on return. Are you aware of any striking differences between over there & here? No knocking?

firemaiden	03 Jan 2003
Hi Guys, I just found this thread because I did a search on Lucid Dreaming. this is something I do quite regularly, and I only recently found out that there were books on it and read some. A few nights ago I found a website that listed a bunch of checks you can do to see if you are really dreaming, to help be aware of dreaming. Well, that very night, I dreamt and thought I might be dreaming, and started doing the checks. First I bit my hand, and I felt it, so that didn't help. Then I jumped and tried to fly, as I normally can in dreams, and that didn't work either. Then I looked in the mirror. Another one of the checks. When I look in the mirror in dreams, I never see myself, but someone else in another century dressed in Emerald Green. Whoah!! But unfortunately, I didn't surmise that I was actually dreaming, so I didn't get to play. Oh well. I would really love to hear more about all of your experiences in LUCID DREAMING.

The Enchanter	03 Jan 2003
After reading your thread I've relize that I have accidentally experienced astral projection while I was meditating! It is truly a wonderful experience. The flying feeing is sooooooo amazing! :) It took me about 45 minutes to get to that point though. But it was worth every second! Peace out!

violinlily	03 Jan 2003
interesting topic!! once (and only once) when I ATed (partially awake, and not sleeping) it was around Christmas, and I tried walking through my tree, interesting..... I ended up trying to pick up a can of soup at my grocery store, then, dismayed, finding my hands went through it, my body was touched, and apparently "woke up" w/ that static-after-roller-coaster face. lol. what's Lucid dreaming (if I had read most of the rest of the thread, I prbably wouldn't have to ask this question.) oh well.

WhiteDrag0n	04 Jan 2003
Lucid dreaming to most folks, is being able to control your dreams, (what happens in them, whos there etc). What is known as "lucid dreaming" to most folks is actually astral travel. Even though people dont know what its called thats what it be.

Red Emma	04 Jan 2003
Psychic spying for the CIA is just one career you can follow if you're good at astral projection, as is, or I should say "was" army intelligence. They both had programs in which they used psychics for "Remote Viewing." And why not? The Russians had been doing it, probably to us, for some time. Two good books on the subject are "Psychic Warrior" by David Morehouse, who did it for the army. His book reads like a very exciting novel. And Russell Targ's -- damn! I can't think of its name. Targ worked in the Stanford Research Institute in California training psychic spies for the CIA. The Stanford Institute had been doing psychic research for some time. Ostensibly the CIA and the army both closed their operations in the eighties -- too many disbelieving congressmen, but I strongly believe that the CIA is still at it. The newspapers found out about the program and had a great lot of fun with it. Which, I suspect is what got it closed down. These days Remote Viewers (the scientific term for the experience) work for businesses doing such things as projecting themselves into the future to discover how successful a company's newest business plans, or advertising is, and all sorts of stuff like that. They also check out projected business sites (in the future), how the demographics of the population will shift. I suspect the uses are endless. Just think if Ford designs a new car, it can hire a Remote Viewer to project herself into the future to see how accident prone it may be. Angela Thompson Smith has a school in Las Vegas where Remote Viewers are trained for business purposes. She tells about her experiences in a book whose name I can't remember. It's one a.m. -- I'm up because I couldn't sleep. You might be interested in "Out of Body [journeys? travels?]" and I can't think of the author, nor can I find the book. I'll have another look tomorrow when my brain's working again. Anyhow, I suspect you can find most of these books in the local library. If not, I got mine from Amazon.com. Were I young and looking for a fascinating career it's certainly something I would check out. Off to bed to try again. When I can think again I'll look for Angela Smith's book to give you the title, as well as try to find the author of "Out of Body (explorations?)" Goddess Bless, Red Emma

Celtic_Dragon	22 Jun 2003
Quote: Originally posted by faunabay Ok I checked out a book from the local library called "The Secret of the Soul - Using Out-of-body Experiences to Understand Our True Nature" by William Buhlman. It's was pretty interesting and very easy to read. Had lots of stories about what others had gone through and accomplished astrally. Anyway though what I wanted to tell you was as I was reading it it triggered some memories I had forgotten about!!!!! When I was younger up until I was in college every once in a while I would be in bed almost asleep when my body would begin feeling VERY heavy. It didn't feel like anything was pushing me down, just that my whole body was so heavy that I couldn't move at all. It scared me so much that I would feel like if I didn't move I would die. Well actually at first it felt cool, but as I got heavier that's when it got scary. I felt if I could just move a finger or a toe that would break the "spell". Now I feel it was probably leading up to astral travel but I freaked out because I didn't know what it was. I never did hear the buzzing or anything else. But my body would be almost paralyzed with heaviness. Wow I hadn't thought about that in a long time. It hasn't happened in years. Maybe I'll have to experiment again. :) That's exactly how I feel. I've always been able to "allow" myself to become heavy, then I'd feel fuzzy almost like a vibrating fuzz. And then numb, sometimes I could even feel myself move around while being perfectly still. It's really weird, cause the only way I can explaine the moving while still being in my body is like having a snake's skin. It's not attached but not so detached that I can get up and walk/float away. I suppose just as ramses told barbie, I should just keep up the practice but are there any techniques or activities I could practice with? To kinda push myself over that edge??

buzzbee	23 Jun 2003
My 2-cents: Joseph McMonegle also worked with the earlier RV programs in the 70's that Morehouse came into in the 80's on remote viewing. He's written several how-to books, has a website and some expensive training videos. His books give adequate instructions if you follow them carefully. I've had several sponteneous out-of-body experiences in my life, and occasionally have been able to project on demand with varifiable results (like to a friend's house & correctly noted which records were being put on the stereo). By far I've found RV'g to be more practicle in the mundane sense, and dream-time astral-projection to be more usefull spiritually. The Monroe Institue also offers OOB training books and hemi-sync tapes, & McMonegle learned to control his OOBs from Monroe.

WhiteDrag0n	29 Jun 2003
heres a book everyone interested in astral projection should look into Astral Dynamics By Robert Bruce, it should answer any questions you have.

Brolga	01 Jul 2003
I believe Remote Viewing is different to astral travel by a long shot. Most people can RV but astral travel is a different state of consciousness & alot harder. I actually have had a trained RV do a few sessions for me, totally 100% accurate. It's INCREDIBLE. Apparently RVing into the future is not as accurate as the past. Astral travel - a pet subject of mine, OK Leo emerges, I am in the acknowledgements of Robert's book, (Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce, fellow Aussie) it was one way to read it, editing it, of sorts! :) It is one of the best books out there IMO. The energy body approach works on the premise that is the body you use in astral travels... and I found many interesting things begin to happen when I was doing them -- low level OBE's (i.e. just in house), spontanneous OBE's and increasing consciousness / control in them. I had many psychic experiences, good and bad... and some tested my sanity (like visions... isn't that a sign of madness?) It all got a bit much, and I had another baby and "all that" is on temporary hold until next year when "baby" goes to preschool. For me, I have always been inclined to out of the ordinary experiences at different times, my intense focus accelerated my development quicker than my conscious mind could handle. The book is fabulous, highly readable, I really recommend it! Donni

toritat	06 Jul 2003
I have had several instances where I knew what I had experienced was not dreaming but astral travel. The vividness and reality and simplicity were unlike normal dreams where there is usually distortion of facts and 'weird' phenomena. I'd like to relate these as they left a very deep impression on me and my intuition tells me these were not dreams. Firstly, when my mother died, I dreamt I was sitting on my bed and she was there standing before me and asked me "Am I dead?". I answered no as I didn't want to alarm her. I don't know why I answered that way to her as she was a deeply religious woman and...well I just don't know why I said that. Second, my husband of 26 years passed away 18 months ago and 9 weeks after his death I had the most beautiful dream, which I don't believe was a dream but us meeting in the astral. A way to say goodbye as he suffered a sudden heart attack. We were in the same room he died in (the dining room) and we walked towards each other and just hugged. It was so lovely and I asked him "It's been 9 weeks, why has it taken you so long?". I believe we were able to say goodbye and this has comforted me. Up until that time my mind had been a total blank when I slept, no dreams, no nothing, like being in a black bottomless pit. I don't know if this was a way for my subconscious to protect me or not. I would be interested in any thoughts on these experiences.

joya250	08 Jul 2003
Toritat -- I'm sorry to hear about your husband... and am glad you were able to make that connection on another level. (((((hugs))))) Astral Travel. Good topic. Personally, I have been trying this for years! With NO real success! Pretty frustrating. I've read several books on the subject, including the book reccommended in this thread -- Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce. Sometimes I think maybe I'm trying too hard and that's why it doesn't work. ? Then I figure it will just happen, but it never does. ? Argh. Guess some people have a natural ability. Like juggling. (can't do that either!) Lucid Dreams. Now THIS I can do... in fact, almost every night I do this... if the definition is "controlling" your dreams or realizing your dreaming and shaping the dream from there. (I pretty much have a dual life -- one in dreams and one in "reality"... sometimes the dreamstate influences me all day... or I'll suddenly get dream-related dejavu, although not from events, but rather from feelings... hmmmm.... there's gotta be more to this... anyway, I'm rambling) I don't think this is the same as Astral Travel...... ??? FireMaiden -- what was that website you found? I'd love to hear more Astral Travel stories... like how did you do it for the first time? If it differs from Lucid Dreaming? etc. etc.

Sayonaran	14 Jul 2003
I've read this thread and sent its contents to a close friend of mine. I'm not writing this, she is. My comments on the same topic are on the bottom.... "What I've read about astral projection is pure bunk. Don't mean to sound blunt, but the books I've read seem to be written by someone sleep deprived or high off a drug. Quite frankly, I suspect that these authors made up most of the material and are most likely lucid dreamers. I can tell the difference when I dream and while dreamwalking. While Dreamwalking, there is no 'silver cord' to hold you to your body. You don't float above your bed or above the body. Also, you don't think of a place and you're instantly there! It's a fragmented dream at most, a lucid one, and most of the books all sound the same since the author probably remembered something from the last and added onto the rest." -- She goes on, but I have a few things to add. I agree a bit about authors sounding the same, but as for this silver cord deal, I've never heard of it. There are many ways to get there, depending on how you learned it in the first place. So I guess all the information is different as well, including on the little differences that I've researched...

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