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Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 06 Feb 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.



jade  06 Feb 2002 
i know this to be true and factual.

i have been conducting a study on my own, thru sending distant reiki attunements to students.

i start off by sending them at an exact time when the student is ready, willing and able to accept the attunement. i get amazing stuff on my end and they are confirmed thru the students experience also.

then i sent two attunements an hour BEFORE the student was ready to accept them. i got amazing stuff which was confirmed by the students experience of the attunement as well!

some of the students are only hours away from me.....others are 1/2 way around the world on different continents! all the experiences were the same. they all knew for certain that they received the attunements and i knew for sure that they were in my home, receiving the attunements!

so that proves there is no space. i could feel their chakras as i ran my hands over them. i could feel their auras, their energy, and in some cases their body!

as for time......some of the students would start feeling the changes that the reiki attunement brings a day before the attunement......a week before.....sometimes as early as a month before!!! this proves that time is a bubble that expands out from the moment that something occurs.......in all directions....hence, they could sense the attunement before it was sent!

think of all of our experiences with 9/11/2001....many of us felt the attack for days before the actual event ook place!

the next attunement that i want to try is having the student accept the attunement and then i will send it the next day! i already know that this will work as i often send a healing at night that i offered to send during the day....the person calls and thanks me for the healing, they felt it and it assisted them greatly in their experience,...then i send it later that night!

please share your experiences of these concepts.

in light,
jade 


blue  06 Feb 2002 
My own experiences with Reiki confirm what you say. However, when I was five minutes late for work this morning I found my parking space gone. 


Major Tom  07 Feb 2002 
Ah - the paradox that we as spiritual beings experience in physical bodies. ;D

Time and space do not exist - yet our physical bodies need them to live.

Illusions by Richard Bach explains it pretty well.

This is one of the reasons why I believe God is everything. }> 


JustBlue  07 Feb 2002 
Interesting topic indeed.

I have to agree with Major Tom, but perhaps I should elaborate slightly.
Space, as in fysical space does exist, but at the same time it is only the experience of malkuth, and assuming that we are more than flesh, we can come to a point where fysical space is bridged or simply end from the point of the individual. 


Lilliana  07 Feb 2002 
Quote:
jade (07 Feb, 2002 09:55):
this proves that time is a bubble that expands out from the moment that something occurs


Time doesn't actually "flow" from one moment to the next- that is merely an illusion of the human brain. It doesn't happen bit by bit, but rather exists all at once in a sort of timescape, not unlike space. The past, present and future are all as equally real as each other. Many people disagree with modern physics over this point. Since the illusion of time is so basic to human experience, many people simply refuse to accept this as a fact.

Time is a fascinating subject....that's why I have the signature that I do.

Lilli 


JustBlue  07 Feb 2002 
Sorry, I forgot myself.

Malkuth or "the kingdom" is the Kabbalistic way to describe the last point of manifestation.
Matter in all its form, ofcourse it is really more to Malkuth than this, but as I have learned, it is this essentially. 


Kaz  08 Feb 2002 
Time and space, as in location, are inter-exchangable. They behave not as a linear thing but as a weird curled and looped thing. As said by others, we need it for reference, but it's just our way of grasping it, and that's the linear thing. Makes me think again of quantum mechanics. These are relative things, and Jade's experience proves it very well.

Kaz 


kayne  08 Feb 2002 
I don't really get this at all...
What is reiki exactly? 


jade  09 Feb 2002 
aah, the question that is always asked. what is reiki?

reiki is a form of healing. but so much more :)

check the archives and you'll get a good idea of what it is. or do a search on yahoo.....type in reiki. that'll assist you too.

in light,
jade

(or maybe blue or new river or any of the many other reiki people can share) 


RainbowFire  09 Feb 2002 
ouch my brain hurts! I am trying to understand. some eastern religions (ie Taoism) believe that time isn't linear, that it is circular. I personally think life would be meanlingless without time, confusing maybe! can anyone try and explain to me how things happen in the physical world then? I'm young, after all :D 


xeper  09 Feb 2002 
Quote:
RainbowFire (10 Feb, 2002 08:34):
ouch my brain hurts! I am trying to understand. some eastern religions (ie Taoism) believe that time isn't linear, that it is circular. I personally think life would be meanlingless without time, confusing maybe! can anyone try and explain to me how things happen in the physical world then? I'm young, after all :D


Rainbow...I am actually into prechristian western traditions but I think I can try and answer your question.

Picture a drop of rainwater in a puddle. That drop will evaporate and become a gas. Enough of that gas will accumulate in the sky and become a cloud. The cloud will become too dense and turn into billions of drops of water as rain.

Its a cycle that doesn't end. What was originaly a drop of water was never really destroyed, it never came to an end. It simply became something else. Eventually it became a drop of water again. The circle is complete.

If we look at that same drop of water from a linear perspective we see that is has a definite begining and a definite end. Just a staright line from start to finish. While each form it took did have a definite begining and end, the thing its self simply kept changing and was never actually destroyed. Looking at things from a linear point of veiw can help us to quantify and understand them, but the linear veiw of anything is only an incomplete veiw. It only shows us one small part of the over all picture.

The cycle of the drop of water is true for EVERYTHING. There is no true destruction, only a changing of forms. Perpetual becoming. All things become/change forms at the same time. We call that the present moment, and like the drop of water it is cyclical rather than linear.

Personaly I don't see meaninglesness or absolute chaos in this but rather a higher form of order, deeper meaning.

I hope that made some sense/shed some light. 


Ramses  09 Feb 2002 
Hello folks...

Well, Im sorry to be the boring guy here, but Ill have to disagree with most of the people here...
In my humble opinion, I think neither of us,or anybody in the world, is in position to affirm whether time and space exist or not ...many of the greatest minds who have ever lived on this planet have already tried to find out the truth about that, and all of them have failed, even Einstein, one of those who most thought of it...And Einstein wasnt just a physicist...he also believed in some sort of higher energy, or God...Maybe this question about the existance of time and space is one, if not the biggest, of the mysteries which exist...

And lets not forget...the example given above was dealing with energies, vibes...and that does not apply the same way to the rules of our physical world...energies work different...and the energies which can affect our sensations are even more difficult to explain...sometimes they only exist in our minds, or are created by it...sometimes they are self induced...sometimes not ...

Im a reiki practioner too...I believe in those things mentioned above...that energy, such as the reiki energy, may really cross the borderlines of space and time...but, it does not prove, in any way, the existance or non-existance of time...

I do not know, and can not prove any theory about space and time...Im just a man, afflicted by the rules of this time and space were talking about...

There are also so many possibilities to explain those effects mentioned by Jade about her experiences...such as the possible existance of other dimensions, through which time and space could get mixed up, and work in a different way than the normal way...or better, the way we feel it works...

Maybe time exists the way we think it exists ( the same for space )...if we think it exists, it exists, and vice-versa...

My point is...there are SO MANY things to be considered when we talk about time and space, that a simple experience, and maybe even a thousand of them, wouldnt be able to lead us to a definitive answer...

Well, I think Id better keep from going any further into this subject...
Im really sorry if I might have hurt anyones feelings, or might have annoyed anyone with this way of mine of speaking...
Its just that I really take these meditations about time and space really seriously...thats something Ive been always concerned about, since I can remember...

But, lets leave it alone right...lets take a moment to think of peace, love, harmony, balance, light, etc...
Well, Id better just shut up...right?

PEACE,LOVE AND HARMONY TO YOU ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 


tarotbear  10 Feb 2002 
Time and space do not exist? Try skipping a few car payments and see how fast your car disappears from in front of your house. 


jade  10 Feb 2002 
we do not get offended because someone shares their thoughts....that's why i posted the topicet us talking about it. i said that absolutely, in my life and experience, time and space do not exist. you say that in yours, they do.

just as i say the goddess exists in my reality, in another person's she may not. that doesn't make either of us wrong, it just means that we are both having different experiences in our own realities.

in light,
jade :) 


Kiama  10 Feb 2002 
Well, I have a bit of Philosophy for you guys! *Kiama frowns as most people in the forum groan and walk away*

As one of my fave Philosophers, David Hume, once said, we have no proof that ANYTHING exists! Even if we say that our senses tell us we exist, and time exists, and the Universe exists, we still have no proof that our senses are correct! Maybe time is just man's label for what we class as time, but the fact remains that we hae no proof it exists at all.

Ramses: The point of these forums are not to passively let out own views and point pass by un-noticed! The 'post' button is there for you to use, to voice your opinion, bearing in mind that you are responsible for that opinion. When you post something that maybe isn't what everyone else is saying, DON'T WORRY!!! People on these boards are very accepting of different views. We won't bite your head off and tear you to bits for disagreeing with the majority! I mean, what's the point of having an opinion if you can't voice it?! And hell, we LOVE the diversity of opinions here, which is why we post! As testimony of the acceptance and diversity, I can safely say that this is one of the only places I feel at home on the web, where we have people from all walks of life, age, religion, race and gender, and nationality, political stance, life experience, all sharing our views, experiences, joys, sadnesses, and Tarot. And there are hardly ever any flames.

Don't worry about voicing your opinon, no matter how diverse it is. It is as valuable and deserves just as much respect as the other views!

Kiama 


jade  10 Feb 2002 
(and kiama was worried about whether or not she'd be a good moderator..LOL...you are doing fabulous!!!!!!!)

in light,
out with the old and in with the new!
love
jade 


faunabay  11 Feb 2002 
Let's see if I can give an example - it makes sense to me, but who knows if I can get it across to you. LOL
OK, Think of a lecture meant to be published as well. The person speaking at the lecture is also speaking to the many people who will read the book. In essence that person is speaking to both at the same time. And if you picture the circular way of thinking about time instead of the linear, it's very possible that the lecture and the reading of the material are happening at the very same time. Because the information is getting to both sets of people in their present timeframe, their now.
Sorry, I know I'm fumbling here, but I hope I got my point across somewhat, or at least gave you another thing to think about. LOL 


joya250  11 Feb 2002 
hi everyone. interesting posts. I have to admit, I skipped ahead a little bit to reply... but I just wanted to play devil's advocate (heh heh) and offer up the possiblity of THE POWER OF SUGGESTION. If these people knew they were going to receive reiki, they are expecting to feel better, or rather they are allowing the healing energies that already exist to enter and affect them. Hence, they may feel better without really having received the reiki. Kinda like the placebo effect. So, I don't know if this would be a "valid" arguement for the proposition that time and space do not exist. you see? :) 


jade  11 Feb 2002 
:) joya,

have you ever had an attunement? if not then you really have no idea what it 'feels' like to have one.......but i can assure you, their experiences are so intense, the energy is so strong, the visualizations so amazing that they 'know' what they have experienced..........plus, i see much of what they do. i write down my experience and they write down theirs and then we read each others and it is sooooo amazing at how many things i see that they did too. :)

so, sorry, placebo affect doesn't apply to an attunement......... but, good argument anyway. :)

in light,
jade 


joya250  12 Feb 2002 
good morning Jade. actually I have had an attunement. I think that's what you would call it. It was an hour-long reiki session. And, I have to admit, I didn't really feel much different afterwards. (???) But I did feel better before the session, just thinking about it, cause I was excited to get it, since it was my first experience with receiving reiki. I don't doubt the power of reiki and healing energies and your work. In fact, I've started to study reiki myself... However, I just can't help but see two sides to every situation. 


Kaz  12 Feb 2002 
I have to agree here with Jade, even if you didn't know before that it would happen, it would absolutely not go by unnoticed, no way. It's really powerfull. I don't have long distance attunement experience, but it wouldn't matter I suppose, distance is no issue with this.
Jade, how come you do them attunements long distance, any reason for that? You do that with complete strangers? /me curious...

Kaz 


jade  13 Feb 2002 
joya,

you had a reiki session. an attunement is when you are "initiated" (for lack of a better word) into the ability to channel the reiki energy. completely different from what you had and about 500% more intense, at least.

:)

kaz,

i do distant attunements because not all of my students live near me. some are provinces away (i'm in canada) and some are in australia, holland, england etc. so we can't just get together for an attunement.

i also have students that live 15 minutes away from me that cherish their distant attunements.

myself, i prefer being attuned by distance.......the physical presence of my teacher doesn't interfere with my experience of my attunement. i can stay in the meditative state and enjoy the immense/intense energy that is channelling into and thru me during the attunement. i 'feel' the energy start and stop so i know when the attunement has begun and when it is over. :)

this week, i plan on sending myself an attunement and then sitting down and taking the attunement. i am looking forward to this :)

i have been doing alot of experiments with attunements because i want to try to find the boundaries/limits of reiki.......i haven't found one yet. so far, in my experience, within reiki, everything is possible.

in light,
jade 


Kaz  13 Feb 2002 
Quote:
jade (13 Feb, 2002 15:31):
myself, i prefer being attuned by distance.......the physical presence of my teacher doesn't interfere with my experience of my attunement. i can stay in the meditative state and enjoy the immense/intense energy that is channelling into and thru me during the attunement. i 'feel' the energy start and stop so i know when the attunement has begun and when it is over.

Exactly, it's not something you would not notice...

Quote:
this week, i plan on sending myself an attunement and then sitting down and taking the attunement. i am looking forward to this

I hope you will share this experience, I am really interested how it turns out.

Quote:
i have been doing alot of experiments with attunements because i want to try to find the boundaries/limits of reiki.......i haven't found one yet. so far, in my experience, within reiki, everything is possible.

I think you are right on that.

Kaz 


New River  13 Feb 2002 
hi everyone! guess what--i am one of the people who have received a long distance attunement from jade! since i always write down my entire experience as soon as it happens, i was able to share what i saw and felt during this experience.

it was amazing how many of the things i saw and felt were also felt by her. then i sent her an attunement and we experienced the same phenomena. we did not compare notes. we each wrote our experience and shared them before knowing what the other's experience was.

now, if the question is whether or not there is time or space, i have to say we experience time and space as we know it. if the way we know it changes then so does time and space. energy has no such boundaries.

haven't we all had the experience of knowing the phone was going to ring right before it rang? thought has no boundaries, love has no boundaries, all are made of energy.

in quantam mechanics scientists have proven that by merely thinking about the matter, it changes.

funny, i had a question similar to this come up just yesterday. do possiblilities cause evolution or does evolution cause the possibilities? same kind of philosophy, i think.

Major Tom: Illusions is one of my very favorite books!

love, light and hope, New River 


jade  13 Feb 2002 
new river,

honey, i had to post that question as a topic cause i would love to hear everyone's responses to it. :)

and illusions is one of my fav. books too!

love
jade
(your karma soul buddy!) 


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