spell to invoke karma

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 05 Jul 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

joya250	05 Jul 2002
hi guys. so, after reading that thread about Black/Left-handing magic... I have a question... is doing a spell to invoke someone's karma... bad? ??? has anyone done this? is this even doable? if you have done it, why? what were the results? okay. now here's the story: my boss, or rather my ex-boss is an insecure @#$%^&... and his insecurity and negativity has hurt several people, including myself. His bad attitude rips people apart, makes them question their own self-worth, and generally is $hitty. (sorry! I'm trying not to swear -- just trying to get my point across.) .... so, after I was fired... when I left the office, I visualized a flaming pentacle on the door and sent out a little invocation that this guy's karma comes back to get him. Cause, trust me, it's coming! But it's taking a loooong time! (I know people who worked for him years ago... and he's still doing the same thing...) I didn't want to put a "curse" or whatever on him, cause I'm not into playing around with that type of stuff... but I DO want him to experience repercussions... AND I want him to GROW UP and REALIZE how his actions hurt other people. I really want him to heal... (haha, but HURT while doing so. heh heh.) ... okay, so, moving on... after I left the company, I burnt my bussiness cards and a picture of this guy... and everytime I drive by the company, I visualize it on fire -- or I just flip it off. .... I really haven't done any "real" magic on him... I wouldn't even know where to begin -- or should I say I wouldn't dare to do such. ... and since I haven't done any "formal" innvocation... I don't know if the strength of my intension is great enough to have an effect. Also, don't want any karmic repercussions... What do you guys think about all this? It's actually been hard to resist the urge to do something bad to this guy -- and that is very UNLIKE me. .... argh, but when I got the phone call from the unemployment office, saying that he is refusing to pay unemployment.... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. thanks in advance for your response -- and any thoughts you have on all this. xo, joy

zorya	05 Jul 2002
(((joy))) he sounds awful! my biggest concern, is that you sound so angry. you have a right to feel that way, of course. it's just that when you put out anger, you get anger back. you said that you want to prevent him from harming others, and i believe you, but i also am reading revenge. that troubles me. you might want to cool off a bit, before considering anything. is there anything you can do legally to get your unemployment? perhaps you could do a spell for that in the meantime. when you look back at this, i wouldn't be surprised if you discovered that this was really a "blessing in disguise". did you really want to keep working for this creep?

joya250	05 Jul 2002
:) hey Zorya. Yah, it WAS a blessing... pretty much right out in the open. haha. AND, yes, I am angry, and YES, I am revengeful. sigh. which is why I haven't really done much of anything about it. Although... I wonder... how powerful thoughtforms are without any "formal" magic or intent... and, yes, I am fighting for my unemployment... :)

zorya	05 Jul 2002
well...those were pretty powerful thoughts you were having, so they were pretty powerful intentions. i don't think you did enough to cause the building to go up in flames. :) i'm more concerned about the damage you are doing to yourself. letting go of your anger, would not mean that you are saying what he did was ok. it would just mean that you are not willing to carry around the anger anymore. it's a lot easier to move forward, when you're not carrying around all that baggage. I sure wouldn't want to keep thinking about him all the time. lol. ...then when you are no longer acting in anger, you could ask for help, to aid his growth and protect the others.

Umbrae	05 Jul 2002
Joya250, may I call you 250? This is difficult to explain. If you are angry and cast (or even visualize, which can be a casting depending on who is visualizing), it will not produce the results you desire. Most likely he will not notice anything, and your life will get more – complicated (if you know what I mean). You really need to void yourself of any and all anger, so that even when you have to go to a hearing for unemployment there is no anger, hatred, or anything that resembles negativity. Then, should you know, and understand within yourself, that to place your self willingly into his path as an instrument of his karma without hate, indifference or remorse, do so. There will be those that disagree. Here is the key. Can you harm someone with love? If you can find the answer, than do so. "I wonder... how powerful thoughtforms are without any "formal" magic or intent... " Very

joya250	05 Jul 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Umbrae Then, should you know, and understand within yourself, that to place your self willingly into his path as an instrument of his karma without hate, indifference or remorse, do so. Can you harm someone with love? If you can find the answer, than do so. "I wonder... how powerful thoughtforms are without any "formal" magic or intent... " Very Umbrae. thank you. :) (and, yes, you can call me 250)

joya250	05 Jul 2002
okay... so.... if I COULD enact a karma thing with LOVE as my intention... any suggestions on some type of spell/blessing/invocation/etc. ???

bellesmybaby	06 Jul 2002
I was in a relationship once with someone a billion times worse than your boss, I truly think in retrospect that he is evil or he has no soul. I don't do magic, but am familiar with it, and have done some spontaneous magic (for lack of a better term) because I don't follow any particular magickal path. Here's what I did, inadvertantly to the psycho-X, it was bad for him but good for my karma. I was really getting into tarot and trying to get to know my new crowley deck and I chose the Hanged Man to really meditate on, I got out a peice of paper and drew the Hanged Man, this helps me to get to know the cards and really get into them. I was basically and intently focusing on finally taking care of myself, having some self-respect and letting go, and letting him go, or releasing him over to Karma or to God, and let God deal with him. That was it it was very simple and focused on my own self growth and releasing him once and for all. Several days later I found a new roommate. And I decided that to room with her would be another act of letting go, if I am bound by a lease with her I cant go back to him. So I considered it a part of the magic too. Went with her at 9 am to sign the agreement, got home later and my mom set the morning paper down in front of me and to my surprise I see Psycho's house or what's left of it. It burned to the ground, it was estimated that the fire probably started between 9 and 930 that morning. Rumor has it that he did it himself. This could be a coincidence but I think not. He got what was coming to him and I didn't have to take any left hand revengeful path. I just found this quote about the Hanged Man in Crowley's Book of Thoth, ( i didn't know about this at the time, as I am just beginning to study the book of thoth) Crowley is hard to read at times but this is some of the text describing the Hanged Man card: "If ever things get bad like that again, in the new Dark Ages which appear to threaten, this is the way to put things right." But if things have to be put right, it shows that they are very wrong. It should be the chieftest aim of the wise to rid mankind of the insolence of self-sacrifice. Dee

Mermaid	06 Jul 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Umbrae "I wonder... how powerful thoughtforms are without any "formal" magic or intent... " Very I agree thoughts are powerful Umbrae, but I think it takes more than intent. If unfocused intent was enough to cause something to happen, then no potential president of the USA would ever survive long enough to get elected! ;)

HudsonGray	06 Jul 2002
STill, there may be something started by focusing on the flaming pentacle. Thing is, you're wishing vengence & revenge (he has to hurt because his karma sucks & he hurt me). Then you say you don't want a backlash on this. Trouble is, you'll get it. Wishing vengence usually backfires. Have you thought this through in the matter that he's possibly doing what he's here on this earth TO do? Be a test for you & others around him to learn how to deal with people like him on a different level (not the gut instinct one that wants to push & hurt)? Forcing him OUT of that mold might also have repurcussions that you can't even think of. That's why magic is best done on yourself instead of others. Even the wishing that their karma is catching up to him. When you think of it, his life lessons are his own--whether it's learning not to be insecure, better social skills, etc. Yours are your own--not to be his mom & correct his actions. Have you looked at focusing on maintaining equilibrium & bolster up your own self esteem after such a horrible trial? Everyone gets rough around the edges when faced with a negative work environment. I've been in them too, sometimes it's best to learn new coping skills.

Umbrae	06 Jul 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Mermaid I agree thoughts are powerful Umbrae, but I think it takes more than intent. If unfocused intent was enough to cause something to happen, I typed in a hasty manner. Intent, with focus is very powerful. Formal magic is not necessary for extreme results. I must repeat though, examine the contents of your heart first. That is what separates “An instrument of karma” from vengeance (and its subsequent backlash).

joya250	06 Jul 2002
Quote: Originally posted by bellesmybaby I just found this quote about the Hanged Man in Crowley's Book of Thoth, ( i didn't know about this at the time, as I am just beginning to study the book of thoth) Crowley is hard to read at times but this is some of the text describing the Hanged Man card: "If ever things get bad like that again, in the new Dark Ages which appear to threaten, this is the way to put things right." But if things have to be put right, it shows that they are very wrong. It should be the chieftest aim of the wise to rid mankind of the insolence of self-sacrifice. Dee hey Dee. thanks for sharing your story. I'm sorry your had to deal with someone like that. .... but --- hey, interesting about the Hanged Man. that is my Year card this year ... been trying to meditate on his message and trying to relate it to my life... ....... hmmmmmm.... you got me thinking! :) HudsonGrey. yeah. actually I have thought along those lines. Initially (before I was fired and all) I was hoping that I would be able to help each other -- he would help me recognize my own self-worth... and I could help him see that woman could be beautiful AND capable! (a combo he seems to have a problem with...) Sigh. but, then again.... who knows. It's frustrating... because I knew up front what kind of person he was... and here I was thinking he could learn something from ME. haha. guess it doesn't make much sense, huh? .... but I guess that is why I'm taking this so personally... pretty silly of me. Umbrae --- I hear yah! I know. :) and, yes, you are right to say so....

Fox	06 Jul 2002
Joya; I know how powerful anger can be and how hard it can be to let it go, but if you can do it and come to some sort of peace then good things come of it. I've learnt a lot through working past anger. Not that I've always been completely successful however. My father is a horrible, cruel, selfish, egotistical, proud, manipulative, perverted, lying thief of a man, and it's taken me a long time to just let go and stop despising him. I know it sounds horrible, but I take much comfort from the fact that he'll probably die soon and I'll finally escape any thought of him. About the karma thing; my sister has caused people's karma to come back on them a number of times, but only because she has no control over her anger and makes things bigger than they are instead of seeing them from a rational perspective. She's had very "good" results (if you can call them that), but she's never actually got anything good in return; she just becomes more selfish, manipulative and spiteful. I really should be talking in past tense since she isn't like this anymore; but it took her a long time to move past it. Under the circumstances, I think she probably had a right to be angry. (she's a beautiful person, I love her to death) I hope you get your unemployment; I really believe that if you take Umbrae's advice and void yourself of all anger then justice will be done. Be clear and rational! That's probably the only useful bit of advice I can give you.

joya250	06 Jul 2002
:) thank you fox. ... you know, you've helped me put things and perspective too. At least he was my boss -- someone I never have to see again... not a relative. You are very strong to be dealing with that. My hugs and light to you and your sister.

jade	06 Jul 2002
joy, it looks like you've gotten lots of great advice. :D i would like to add a little bit if i may. intention is the power in magic. if your intention was made in anger, then that is what goes out there. someone said that thoughts are not powerful or presidents wouldn't make it to office............you are sooooo wrong. thoughts are huge. ask any psychologist! if i think that i am fat, ugly and unlovable what do i become? so when i send out hate and 'karmic retribution' to others, i put little curses on them that come back to me 3 times fold! originally you asked if there was something you could do? yes there is. you can wrap them in a pink bubble of love and gently blow on their bubble until they float away. this disipates anger and frustration for you and them. it clears the path between you. it is gentle and full of love. (which can't hurt anyone!) :D i've been in situations like this many times in my life and i have also just placed a mirror between them and me and then two angels to 'catch the negativity' in between us so it doesn't bounce off the mirrors and hurt someone else. then i do a serenity spell and chill out! then perhaps a protection spell for yourself and one for them (to protect them from any stray thoughts you may send towards them) banishing spells are wonderful (and my personal favorite, to remove so my cup is empty to receive!) - but they MUST be done with clear intention and not anger or hatred or revenge - or they hurt you rather than assisting you. in light, jade

Phoenix	06 Jul 2002
This is the only thing I can think of, and it isn't to be taken lightly. You could always try a binding spell. I just write down all the things that I dislike about a person(for example, their meanness) and bind it. Hope this helps!

Mermaid	06 Jul 2002
Quote: Originally posted by jade someone said that thoughts are not powerful or presidents wouldn't make it to office............you are sooooo wrong. thoughts are huge. ask any psychologist! That was me, Jade! I didn't say that thoughts weren't powerful though. What I meant was it takes more than random thoughts to change the world. The example I gave was that, if that were all it took, every president would be dead before they took office because there's always someone out there wishing for that. Likewise, if thoughts were all it took, I would have won the national lottery ten times over by now. ;) IMO, some kinds of spellwork require a lot more energy, focus and will than anyone I've ever met has ... things like killing presidents and affecting lottery results. Whereas, making small changes in our own lives is within the reach of any of us, given the appropriate investment of time, energy and intent. So IMO, Joya just 'wishing' for something bad to happen to her boss is unlikely to result in anything but bad karma for herself. However, add some basic magickal training, some time and a whole lot of focused energy and willpower, and yes something might come of it. Love & light

meatbox666	07 Jul 2002
*laughs* Joya, you have soo much emotion. You'll do wonderfully casting a spell and have it come to fruition in hours.

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