Channeled Personalities

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 30 Aug 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Red Emma	30 Aug 2002
In my own experience with channeling, and in reading, I've noticed that the Spirits(?) entities(?) who speak to us, have differing -- I don't quite know how to say it -- values, I guess. Not to mention levels of accuracy in the questions posed to them. In my own experience I've had three channeling episodes. I don't do the channeling myself, but two different women have done it for me. I instigated all three in an effort to help me understand some enervating health problems. The first spirit told me about a previous life, and how badly I had managed people for whom I was re sponsible. I was a [male] warrior chieftan who was harsh and mean to everyone under me. In an aside, my then first lieutenant is my current husband. Anyhow my current life -- in the Pacific Northwest of the USA -- was designed to help me learn compassion. Believe me guys, I've learned it! I've learned it! I was also told that I had several friends and a relative who were energy vampires. When I asked for names I was advised that it would be better for me to figure it out for myself. AFter a time, I found a therapist who helped me to discover that the serious fatigue which plagued me was depression-caused. Then after I worked with that for a while, I realized, in truth, that my sister and about three friends were energy vampires. The moral here is that, while that spirit was accurate, and when I did discover my dependent friends and dealt with them, my energy did increase. However, the advice I received was not the basic problem. I think that I'll go to a second message now. This is getting kind of long, and when one's confronted with a long block of black type, the eyes tend to veer off. To be continued--- Actually to be continued after lunch!

DarkElectric	30 Aug 2002
Hi Red Emma! Ya know, Ihave had that sort of thing happen to me too, with channelled information, but it seems to me to sort of be like this... The information ( if from a reputable guide, not a jokester) is coming from a different place. We prioritize things on the physical plain in a much different way than the astral does. We ask certain questions because of the order of importance those questions hold for us, whereas on the Astral, the guides may be coming from the perspective that alerting you to the presence of energy vampires is of tantamount importance. I've had that experience with the cards so many times. I would do a reading for someone, information would come out, that was EXTREMELY important, serious issues going ignored, unexpected danger, financial/ career information. It certainly proved accurate, and was somewhat appreciated. But, invariably, the person would sadly turn to me and say "But I didn't ask about my job. I wanted to know if I was going to get it together with Justin." And of course, the guides thought the job issue needed to come out, and no mention AT ALL of the guy was evident in the spread!

HOLMES	31 Aug 2002
1 spirits(?)entities(?) therebe infinte planets in the solor systm and infinite dimesnsions and infinite pararal univese. the simple act of pickinh up coffe, spilling it, leaving it , does makea parrel universe that we have no knowledgesuch is the wisdom of the infinite intelligence. what then are the spirit entities ? they are a team of postiveforces fom nature spirits, to our innerself to our higher slf, to angels, beings of light, to celetial teams like the white brotherhood(no racist cooments meant for they have lived for an milleum their energy code is white) coucil of light, asthar command. to the ascended masters, to those who channl the divne guidance(prophets) 2 values accordingly to the individual spark afforded to souls that make them individual so it is with guides and their purpose. there arw mental guides, who come that dimension of being usually asocviated with the 6 chakra they are spock type and only come logic of devolping knowledge for example. theirare those guides who come the soul level, and those who focus on the world they are nature spirits and light beings trying to evolve the earth 3 levels of accuracy the is a question asked of spock by kirk in star trek 2 the wrath of kahn how ready are the recruits, how can they handle combat. (parphasing i forget the specfics) spocks replies as with all living things accordin to their natural gifts(umm something like that heeey i am no treker/trekie) so keeping with the star trek theme for a min you would go scotty if he was a guide for hi s knowledge in engineering go to spock for science, go to mycoy for doctural knowledge, kirk for universal leadership ability yet what if you go to mycoy for science? hemight know the basics according to base trianing yet he is no sspock. thus you can ask a healing guide to teach you how to channel music nor a life pattern guide for medical knowledge. all guides know their gifts and tha which their values of uniqueness focus on. 4. questions posed to them guides answer the questions according to the knowlege, and level of the channel, the soul level of the cquestioner. and how important the qestion is exampleasking a trivial question will get a trivial answr or a basic question and a basic answer yet a person who is trying to learn and has studieda little is ready for some deeper truths thus your experiences you had with the three channels :O)

Red Emma	12 Sep 2002
Thanks, Dark Electric and Holmes. I now have a new way of thinking about these things. And Holmes, I had no idea about the myriad kinds of spirits there are. That alone explains some of my confusion. Goddess Bless, Red Emma

Laurel	13 Sep 2002
Red Emma, if you get a chance, you might want to read Chapter One of _Summoning Spirits_ by Konstantinos if you are curious about a little information about all the different types of spirits. This book is about Evocation- summoning spirits to materialize and communicate within a sacred space, but not in your own body. Channeling is also called Invocation- its summoning spirits to manifest within yourself. Both techniques are used by most magic-embracing traditions, to differing degrees. I personally prefer Evocation, at least right now. However, its more difficult imo and the rapport and ability to communicate is more limited. My guess is that it requires a lot more energy on the part of the spirit as well. Laurel

Red Emma	13 Sep 2002
Thanks, Laurel. I'll get it post haste. Raman, the last spirit I channeled through a friend in New York, said I could contact him?her?them? personallhy if I wanted. However, since I am a solitary, I worry a little about getting into something I'm not sure how to handle. Right now I'm learning shamanic journeying, and the woman who's teaching me said I was right to be concerned. When we finish the Journeying, I'll have the skills to do it on my own, and my very own spirit guide to protect me. Gotta sign off so I can access the public library web site and see if they have a copy of it. Best wishes, R.E.

Alissa	13 Sep 2002
Red Emma, I'm so gald you're starting such delicious threads, I too find the subject matter intriguing. I'd like to send this thread to Joanne, whom I spoke of in the parallel universe thread, who does channeling. She just signed up here at this site, as "Madeline" since Joanne was taken, and is learning how to post and share her own information with us all.

Red Emma	13 Sep 2002
I'm looking forward to reading Joanne, er, Madeline's posts. I've learned quite a bit from you guys in the past few days. Goddess Bless, Red Emma

Alissa	17 Sep 2002
I've been talking with Joanne since this thread started, and she's had a rash of (merc retro inspired I think) computer promblems that have kept her from being able to access and reply to the forum. Hopefully this soon will pass. I know she's interested in responding, and was able to briefly under the parallel universe thread, and was concerned if you would find that response there or not. Here's the link, fyi. http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6857 In the meantime, I should note that channeling isn't actually the correct term for what Joanne does. Her process does not include invokation, so much as introspection, and being able to communicate with her Inner Teachers in a very interior manner. She writes long hand what she receives, a journalling process more than an automatic writing type of thing. It doesn't invlove another spirit entering her, so I guess I'm not using my term right. Can anyone else help me with a better term?

Red Emma	18 Sep 2002
Wednesday morning I did receive an answer from Joanne a couple of days ago, but I've been feeling really rotten, so have only read the posts for a few days. Answering takes too much energy. Thank her for me, and tell her I'll be in better shape in a few days. What she had to say was quite interesting and I'm anxious to discuss it. Goddess Bless, Red Emma

Madeline	18 Sep 2002
Dear Red Emma, Sorry you are not feeling well. I hope things are better by now. Alissa told me to contact you and I am happy to do so. There are 2 books that I am currently reading that you may find helpful. They are Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls. Both are by Michael Newton PHD. They tally very well with my own experience with my inner teachers and the between life situation. It was wonderful for me to read them just because of this and to feel that I am not so alone in these experiences. Sometimes I have difficulty getting into this place to contact you, So I am glad I finally made it. I really don't know how all of this works. is it best to just contact you this way? I call Alissa on the phone when I want to talk to her and I know no one else here. Madeline (Joanne)

the hermit	18 Sep 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Laurel Evocation- summoning spirits to materialize and communicate within a sacred space, but not in your own body. Channeling is also called Invocation- its summoning spirits to manifest within yourself. Both techniques are used by most magic-embracing traditions, to differing degrees. I personally prefer Evocation, at least right now. However, its more difficult imo and the rapport and ability to communicate is more limited. My guess is that it requires a lot more energy on the part of the spirit as well. Laurel Evocation can, indeed, be far more difficult AND can require far more energy on the part of both the practitioner and the "spirit". These two issues are often due to the fact that the "spirit" may not wish to be there and thus is being "forced" to participate. Often the "spirit" is caught and held within a circle of energy and then forced to do the bidding of the summoner. This can, of course, irritate the "spirit". This can make their services quite problematic as they may not be entirely reliable under the circumstances. Even in instances of Invocation the "spirit" is not always reliable. We must not forget what has already been mentioned here and in other threads. These "spirits" do not necessarily have our agendas and/or our goals or even anything remotely resembling our own moral standards. They're communication can often hurt us as much as help us and they can be interested in simply helping themselves to access and power within our plane. All of these views are something to keep in mind whenever one communicates or tries to communicate with beings from other realities.

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