Karma-invoking spells: alright or bad?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 08 Aug 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

mermaiden	08 Aug 2002
I was wondering if anyone who casts spells can help me understand this: is using spells that invoke karma bad or alright? With the three-fold law in mind, will performing one of these spells bring bad things upon the spell caster? I've always wondered about this because to me, I see it as just a way of kinda 'alerting' higher forces about the bad deeds of others. I don't have any spell-casting experience though so I was hoping I could get your opinions on the subject. Thanks! :)

destinyawaitsme	08 Aug 2002
well, doesn't karma work itself naturally, without having to invoke it? I believe that everyone gets what they deserve (good or bad) without having to use a spel to invoke it. I think you should let the Universe deal with this one, but that's my opinion.

Strega	08 Aug 2002
I agree with destinyawaitsme. I don't see a need to cast a spell to invoke karma, as karma works itself naturally. :) I don't know if it can be categorized as "alright" or "bad".

WhiteDrag0n	08 Aug 2002
imo, i think you should leave karma well enough alone. Trying to speed up something that will happen anyway, could throw things off and cause it to come back and bite ya....but thats just my opioin

zorya	08 Aug 2002
intention is everything. what you put out, will come back to you. be very careful that your motives are not based on revenge. are your motives also to help with the evolution of the person you're invoking karma on? i would be careful to end it with something on the line of; if this would be for the best of all involved. if in doubt, don't do it.

Laurel	08 Aug 2002
My answer for this is going to be a little different and is a recent change in paradigm. I'm not Wiccan, Buddhist, a member of the Golden Dawn, etc., and my attitudes are partially shaped by the path that I follow. I believe that we're all completely and 100% responsible for our actions. I no longer believe in karma per se. I do believe in cause & effect, however, and think that when preforming an act of magic we need to both be clear on our intentions and willing to accept the responsibility of the results of any outcome even if its different than our intent. Causing deliberate harm to others is against my personal ethics. Sitting back and being someone else's whipping boy is also against my personal ethics. :) As a general rule, I only preform greater acts of magic to better myself and let self-destructive people self-destruct on their own. I'm not perfect. Sometimes I get petty or impatient or egotistical and preform lesser acts of magic (aka manipulating circumstances) to at least remove them from my life. Laurel

raeanne	09 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by mermaiden ...I see it as just a way of kinda 'alerting' higher forces about the bad deeds of others. ... Why do you think the higher forces need to the alerted? This sound like you are saying that you can see things the higher forces can't see so you have to tell them what's going on. I don't cast spells myself but if I did, I don't think I would try to tell the higher forces what to do.

Umbrae	09 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Laurel Causing deliberate harm to others is against my personal ethics. Sitting back and being someone else's whipping boy is also against my personal ethics. ...self-destructive people self-destruct on their own. I'm not perfect. Excellent points! Sometimes there are those who live in darkness, who spread harm on innocents. Does one wait for Karma to take its toll while other innocents are harmed? Do we stand by and watch others harmed so that we remain pure? I firmly believe that there are times to take a stand. To protect others, and ourselves knowing the consequences. It is right, honorable, and blessed to protect others, even if it means that harm may come to those who do harm. It is necessary to do what is right. But not with hatred in our hearts. That is the imperative.

RedWood	09 Aug 2002
I agree with Umbrae and Laurel...

DarkElectric	09 Aug 2002
Well, depending on how you view karma. I believe that every spell will cause karma, just as any non magickal act will. We really never truly know what the results of any spell we cast will be. Many times they go reasonably according to plan.Sometimes they work even better than expected, occaisionally, they turn into outright disasters. And sometimes, the best thing that can happen is that the spell doesn't work at all! But I agree with Laurel, in the respect that we have to be willing to take the consequences of our actions no matter what those actions are. I usually end a spell with something such as "for the good of all, according to free will" so as to allow the spell to manifest, or not, if there's something wonky about it that I overlooked. There is a subtle line between need and manipulation, and you have to be very careful when working with energy, and think out your goal clearly. Intent is indeed everything, and you should make sure within yourself that your intent is pure. But sometimes, my less than higher nature intrudes upon my spellworking. There have been times, where I was motivated by a purpose not quite as pure as it should have been. And was I willing to pay the price? Yes. And did I pay? Yes. And was it worth it? To be honest, I would have to say usually not. However, in such extreme cases, I was prepared to take the cosmic heat for my actions, and did NOT shift blame or responsibility to anyone else. And when it hit (and it ALWAYS does...remember) I took it as it came, with the knowledge that obviously whatever I did, worked. And this is also when one realises that success is not always a good thing. Whatever you send out comes back 3 times or more. No matter what it is.

the hermit	10 Aug 2002
Well put by you both, Umbrae and DarkElectric! Accepting the consequences of one's actions. THAT is what I see as the basis of karmic justice. Be careful, my fellow Aeclecticians, what you ask for... you just may get it!

jade	10 Aug 2002
IMO, it is fine to invoke a karma invoking spell on yourself. for you to get your karma that is coming to you.......but it is never okay to do that on someone else. although, i feel that karma is best left to the Goddess, for Her to balance cause she's sees our entire score card.....not just this moment in time. :) jade

Violet Gargoyle	10 Aug 2002
I'm really one of those folks that believe that believes that Karma just is. No matter what you do, the real effect will be in how things around you will balance it out. Like a pendulum.

Starfish	10 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Violet Gargoyle I'm really one of those folks that believe that believes that Karma just is. No matter what you do, the real effect will be in how things around you will balance it out. Like a pendulum. I'm with Violet; I also think that Karma just . And I agree with the effect will be affected by the balance of things around us. :TLOVE Starfish

the hermit	11 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Starfish I'm with Violet; I also think that Karma just . And I agree with the effect will be affected by the balance of things around us. :TLOVE Starfish we need a t-shirt karma just [/i] I like it! it appeals to the philosopher in me

Violet Gargoyle	11 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by the hermit we need a t-shirt karma just [/i] I like it! it appeals to the philosopher in me Between that and the other suggestion that someone had earlier "Karma Happens" It could be a whole new philosophical fashion line! Another suggestion: "Zen There, Done That"

mermaiden	12 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by raeanne Why do you think the higher forces need to the alerted? This sound like you are saying that you can see things the higher forces can't see so you have to tell them what's going on. I don't cast spells myself but if I did, I don't think I would try to tell the higher forces what to do. No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm not sure if you've heard this before but a lot of people perform spells to balance things out (thus, if they decided to curse someone or something along those lines out of self-defence, they're trying to quicken the karmatic process). Of course, we could leave things to balance themselves out, and I don't plan on invoking karma (since I've never really been in such a terrible situation where I needed to) but I wanted people's opinions on this. BTW, I appreciate all of the responses here and I would just like to thank you all :)...and if you put a few of those karma slogans on a fitted-tee, I'd buy it! :D

the hermit	12 Aug 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Violet Gargoyle Another suggestion: "Zen There, Done That" How about... "Zen There, Done That... and all I got was this t-shirt!" ???

Violet Gargoyle	12 Aug 2002
"And Zen there was Silence......"

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