Energy Vampires / Energy Generators

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 01 Sep 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Dark Inquisitor	01 Sep 2002
I have a few books on psychic protection & energy vampires. (People who are able to drain energy from others, consciously or unconsciously.) But several questions remain unanswered: 1. Exactly HOW do they do it? 2. Is it a conscious act on their part? 3. How are the ones that don't know they are energy vampires doing it? 4. Is it possible to pick them out of a crowd? And- 5. If there are energy vampires, then does it follow that there must be energy generators? (People whose presence is a source of energy & good moods for others?) 6. Is it a detrimental situation for the energy generator? Tarotphelia

Mermaid	01 Sep 2002
I don't know that much about the subject, but I've always thought of energy vampires as people who drain your energy often without knowing they're doing it. It doesn't have to be conscious, or an act of psychic/occult power. Rather, energy vampires are the people who just by their manner seem to make the world a grayer and gloomier place. So a nagging parent, a bullying co-worker or the lecturer that makes you dread class are all be an energy vampires. I think there are 'energy generators' too - these are the people who make you feel more alive just by their presence, without consciously doing anything to cheer you up. I also think that each of these categories is relative and can change depending on circumstances. For example, a person can be more draining/energising to encounter depending on when, where and how you encounter them, and what you're feeling like at the time. Just my 2 cents, hope it helped.

Dark Inquisitor	01 Sep 2002
That's a very good description, but we are still left without the mechanics of the thing. There are people who can do it at a distance as well, and probably with intent. How!?

Umbrae	01 Sep 2002
We all take energy from somewhere. To attempt to live and draw no energy-is to deny the process of circulation, not just of the air we breathe, the food we eat, but the energy around us. The huge question is do we drain others in the process. Some of us draw upon excess ambient energy. Some of us help create the excess ambient energy and draw upon it. Others drain from folks directly; some consciously, and others unconsciously. I suppose the question is how, and why. How? I only know of how I draw upon excess ambient energies. I am also aware of how to help groups create excess ambient energy and absorb, or ‘take it in’. However to take that of another person, with or without their knowledge is not something I would do, nor would such information ever be shared.

Marion	01 Sep 2002
I guess I would be a little more specific on the 'energy vampire' question. I do not think of these people as grey, so much as the 'demanding' people in your life. For example, the girlfirend who wants to go on and on about her terrible love-life, her miserable ex. What they all did 'to' her. And on and on. Demanding your time, attention and sympathy. And your own energy drains out that way and into her. People like that will give little or nothing back. Heavan forbid you should have a bad day and want their energy/time/attention in return. Your problems are trivial and not worth attention. They pull your energy from you by forcing you to focus on them and manipulate your emotions. Energy generators are the opposite. If they are smart, they won't do it all the time, but if you need it, they will gladly give you some of their focussed attention and allow you to come back up, using thier energy. You feel better, more normal after a positive interaction with them.

DarkElectric	01 Sep 2002
Hello! Having had the unfortunate experience to have come in contact with both the energy vamps who aren't aware of what they're doing, and the kind that do, and do it on purpose, here's my two cents. How they do it: Since we as humans are in actually big batteries, so to speak, and all have our personal e-mag field (the aura), we tend to give and recieve energy from others naturally, usually in a reciprocal manner. But there are some folks, who, because of trauma or some other psychic imbalance actually become black holes of emotional need. These sad folks are usually unable to be self sufficient emotionally, are weak and frightened, and have possibly given up their power to someone else. (Spouse, other family members, etc.) They are usally just very lost, and are literally starving emotionally. Is it conscious: In the case of an emotionally deficient person, not usually. These folks are similar to a starving animal. A house pet who suddenly finds itself abandoned tends to freak out and begin to eat anything it can find, and as much as it possibly can. In the case of the animal, the frantic urge for food is occaisionally it's demise, because if some evil person has left out poisoned meat, the animal's natural tendency to avoid it is overridden by hunger. It eats the meat, and dies. With people, it works in much the same way, only the vamp doesn't realise what they're doing. All they know is, "Oh, I feel SO much better when I'm around Nancy. I think I'll try to hang out with her a lot." What they have done, is made a psychic connexion with Nancy, and are now draining her energy, because it makes them feel better. They just don't know that what they are doing is actually detrimental to Nancy, that the reason she avoids their company is that she goes home with a blasting headache, and a feeling of being very bummed out after she spends time with them. The ones who don't know they are this way just do the instinctive thing we all do when human beings bond. But people who set healthy boundries will EXCHANGE energy with their friends, the vamps just take, and then take some more. They don't give back because they can't as I said before, black holes of emotional need. However, there are those who know what they're doing, and do it consciously. A dear friend of mine got mixed up in a vampire game that was online. It was a big thing, and really popular a few years back. She totally got into it. She wanted me to check it out, and play it too, but I got bad vibes and didn't go there. She ended up getting sucked into this game (no pun intended). Being a nationwide online thing, there were "local" groups who actually began meeting at some of the larger Goth clubs and hanging out in person. My girlfriend began participating in these get togethers. Her "Clan" was based in New Jersey. They hung at a big goth club in NYC. Every week. I became concerned when my friend began to look really bad, and get sick a lot. She was really getting pale, and was losing weight. She virtually stopped eating, and lived on coffee and clove cigarettes. All she ever talked about at this point was the "Vampire Clan", and how cool it was. I was sick of hearing about it, but I asked her why it was soooo cool, and what exactly did they do? The answer shocked me. What she said, was that they all would get together at this goth club, and "Feed" (the term she used) off of each other (voluntarily) and also "feed' off the energy of the club. She would get such a rush, she felt as if she didn't need to eat anymore, and besides, what was the harm in it? It was voluntary, and there was so much energy being generated in the club, that it was just sort of the "thing" to do. I was pretty creeped out by this, needless to say. I stopped hanging out with her for about 2 years, because I could feel the suction coming from her, which I had never felt from her before. It was becoming instinctive to drain people, and she was inadvertently doing it to ME! I kept phone contact with her, because she is a dear friend, and I didn't want to lose her forever. She finally called me in a panic. She told me she was through with the vampire people. I was extremely glad, and asked her what happened. Apparently, she had gone to enough of these things, and had gained the confidence of the ringleader to the extent that she had been invited to join the "inner circle". She was invited to a private home in New Jersey for a "party". What happened next scared her away for good, thank Gods. It seems that energy vamping in clubs was not enough to slake these people's thirsts, and this party was a "feeding party" where they were opening each other's veins with a small gold knife, and...yup, you got it, drinking each other's actual blood. No joke, and I believe it is still going on out there, although my friend wised up before she died, of aids, hep c or who knows what else. So, needless to say, I'm all set with vampires. I hope this helped answer some of your questions.

napaea	01 Sep 2002
whew. thanks for that story DarkE. creepy. it makes a lot of sense, though, the way you describe it. 'phelia and i had talked about how weird it is that you might be standing in a store or walking around somewhere and you can just feel your energy slip out of you when someone walks by, or when you touch an object. just wondering how we can better protect ourselves from these situations, and how to determine who is sucking us so we can stop them, or throw up a defense or something. thanks for the insight, and i'm glad to hear that your friend is out of that group. eeeeks

truthsayer	01 Sep 2002
dark electric, what you described literally gave me a chill. while i haven't had the same experience, it strikes me how close i was at one point to what happened to your friend. the main difference is that my intuition went off big time and i backed off. i went thru psychic attacks from at least one of these ppl for several years after i last saw her. i knew her secret and she was afraid of what i would do w/ what i knew. fortunately, i didn't and still don't know what i knew so she was paranoid in vain. but this was just a mental/psychic/auric thing. the best way to keep psychic vampires from being able to attack you is to learn how to build your aura and make it stronger. don't ask me how but i know that's how you protect yourself. it's impossible to go out in the world w/o facing this just on an normal day. i've been reading books by laurell k. hamilton--the anita blake the vampire slayer series. until i read your post i assumed that hamilton was extremely creative. she seems to totally live in that world of vampire clubs and parties in the series. the best fiction writers are able to do that--create their own worlds that they write about. i kept thinking as i've read--this is so real it's as if the writer has actually experienced something like this. after i read you post, i now know that she had to attend these things at some point in time and was mixed up in the goth vampire stuff. nothing else could explain how real the books seem and how much they are like what happened to your friend. there is a vivid description in one book of a private "feeding" party. the little gold knife they used to cut each other stands out b/c that's in the books.<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, this puts an entirely new spin on my previous understanding of psychic vampires. if you want to learn more about vampires then read laurell k. hill. she knows a lot.

truthsayer	01 Sep 2002
btw, in the book "women of the golden dawn" by mary k. greer there is a vivid account by dionne fortune of a pscyhic attack from a female golden dawn member. greer indicates she thinks fortune is being too dramatic and i'm inclined to agree. there's a more detailed account in this book by dionne fortune. i think it's called something like "psychic self-defense". i have it but not sure exactly where it is. i think this book could answer some of your questions about it. i would take it w/ a grain of salt tho.

HudsonGray	01 Sep 2002
There's a way of shielding from the energy suckers that works very fast & very well, all you do is think the shield in place when you need it. I learned it years before, but did find the instructions in plain language over on another site, do a search on Playful Psychic on a search engine & look under the 'basic skills' section for Shielding. It's spelled out pretty simple there. I've run into plenty of suckers but very few energy throwers, so maybe there's just more of the kind that NEED energy rather than the ones that have too much of it.

Red Emma	01 Sep 2002
I'm afraid my experience with energy vampires is a lot less colorful and dramatic than Dark Electric's. In my case it was my sister and three friends, separately, and none of whom realized what they were doing. And they'd still do it if I continued to permit it. My permitting it was the key. Anyone raised by my father would need some therapy to be able to function in life. My self confidence was pretty much destroyed, and I was so eager for approval from others that I gravitated toward people who were unique in some way: mostly artists and writers, the occasional politician -- people who had stature in the community and who, by the fact that they would be my friend, made me feel as if I was at least kind of important. But I paid dearly for it. The three who became very good friends with me, also boosted their own self confidence by putting me down, undercutting me, keeping me off balance. It's my opinion that their own self confidence was shaky, and they needed someone to boost their self esteem. Every time they "dissed" me, I went away feeling destroyed. They went away feeling energized and elated. I wish I could describe this process more clearly. When I finally "got myself back," and realized what they were doing, I distanced myself from them. At first I tried to change the relationships, but they were having none of it. They needed to keep me put down. I'm no longer friends with two of them. After a couple of years, the third has come back and is willing to establish a more equable relationship. One of the two remaining has tried to come back, but she'll only relate to me if I continue to stay in the subservient position. Some of my Pagan friends say that if there are relationships we haven't resolved, we get to try again in another life. Ah, well! Regards, Red Emma

DarkElectric	01 Sep 2002
At the risk of sounding horrible, even cowardly, I'm glad my experience with the vampires was somewhat second hand, and much less colourful and dramatic than an actual face to face confrontation with these people! I just tried my best to convince my poor misguided friend that this was really not as cool as it seemed, and fervently hoped that she would grow out of it. It was pretty gruesome that she had to find this out the way she did, but some people need graphics, I guess.

truthsayer	02 Sep 2002
i have a dear friend that i believe is an energy generator. being around her honestly makes me feel good. if i weren't aware of how easy it would to be needy and take energy from her, i'm sure i would unconsciously do it. but i know and try to keep a balance w/in myself. there was a time i really needed her support and she was there for me unconditionally. when i was better, i realized what i was doing even tho she never complained. i backed off and have done things to let her know i'm there for her to restore the balance. we've been friends over 11 years. that friendship is a rare and precious thing to me. i think being able to go to someone in time of crisis and get supprt or energy isn't a bad thing. that's what many human service agencies are all about. it's a good thing to guide others when they are having trouble standing on their own but it's important that eventually the person in crisis weans off the helper stand on his or her own. regaining that vital independence is the key. when someone becomes needy and dependent on you for energy and support in a neverending fashion then that becomes a problem. that will suck you dry to the marrow. that's why so many good compassionate ppl in the human services field burn out and have to do something else. the ones that have firm boundaries and self preservation instincts are the ones who survive in human services. so in the interest of surviving life in general, it's good to be able to set boundaries. i think having good emotional boundaries and consciously knowing what your energy limits to giving are key to protecting yourself from energy vampires. i know some energy vampires tend to go from person to person draining them and then complain that they are the victom. they talk about how the person they were once friends w/ abandoned them. they seldom take any responsibility for the relationship dissolving. they don't understand that they drain others by their neediness and dependence so they never gain insight into how their behavior havms others. they don't realize that the person who was helping them was actually the victom. the idea of visioning a shielf or protective barrier is a good one. i've done that quite a few times myself. the problem w/ it is that you have to remain conscious of the need to keep the shield up. if you don't practice meditation and staying conscious of that barrier, the shield won't stay up. it will become an automatic habit over time if you practice enough.

Niall	02 Sep 2002
I've only ever been attacked once, but believe me, I knew exactly who it was and what was happening. I had to resort to selected crystals, natural hematite, to form a shield while I came to terms with the who's what's & why's. Once protected, it was fairly easy to put my own shields into place, but the experience was one I'd not wish to repeat. I believe the attack was unintentional and that the attacker didn't even know they were doing it, but it's interesting to realise that negative emotions have a powerful effect when channelled. I can usually spot a vampire, after a short association, and try to steer clear as much as possible. They are powerful people, either knowingly or unknowingly. Shielding or not, the effects can be felt. It's best to avoid them at all costs.

Alissa	02 Sep 2002
Well, the following stories of energy vampires aren't as dramatic for sure, but I wanted to dig up an old thread on a different forum where I've been a regular for ages. As an henna artist, who by necessity must work in close contact with others' bodies, you exchange a lot of energy. This happens so regularly, that all over others who practice henna art have had energy vampires in their midst. I include this link to the Hennapage Forum to read a thread on energy vampires at work on poor little henna artists. http://www.hennapage.com/henna/forum/messages/48412.html

DarkElectric	02 Sep 2002
I realise, in retrospect, that my ex BF was an energy vamp. I also have come to understand that he was an extremely enraged, dependant whiner, who constantly blamed everyone else for his problems. This man I dearly loved was draining me dry. He was soaking it up like a sponge, but returning so very little. I caught on after we went to see "Queen of the Damned." We were talking about the movie, and vampires in general. He asked me, 'If you had a chance to be a vampire for real, would you take it?" I briefly considered the question, then replied, "No." he asked, "Why not?" I said "Well, for one thing, have you read the job description?" I thought he was just sort of superficially discussing the subject, but when I asked him if he'd do it, he looked at me strangely, and said "Yes I would". I didn't say anything, I was sort of taken aback. So I asked, "But you know you'd have to take other people's lives away, just so you could live. You'd have to kill innocent people every day. How could you do it?You told me you had a conscience..." To which he answered, " I want to see where the future of humanity goes. It would be worth it for that." I said, "You're just messing with me, aren't you!" he said "No." At that point I knew he was serious. This happened towards the end of our relationship, but it really caused me to rethink our association, and also about what kind of person I was dealing with. And he WAS doing the vampire thing, with the energy drain. I may be lonely now, but I'm a lot more cheerful, and no longer feel as if I'm attached at the heart chakra to a giant leech. I got so close to him that he was able to latch on, and when I say he really sucks, I mean it on more than a few levels!

napaea	02 Sep 2002
Alissa, thanks for posting that thread, i'm excited to check it out. Part of my problem, I know, is that i'm ultra sensitive. I can walk by a house and tell that someone is ill, cruel, a vampire. And i have probably been doing this all my life, and getting rid of the "negative energies" through nightmares. Now i really want to tap into the ability without drawing ot the vampires. Or at least learn what to do after I've experienced one. I know I need to learn to protect my aura, for one. Like Red Emma (((((((((((((((((Red Emma)))))))))))))))))) I had a less than tolerable father. I know I had a zillion holes in my aura growing up, surely inviting all kinds of crappadoodle into my life. Now I really need to learn how to alter that. But so many books are vague. They talk aboout the aura and smoothing it, put stones on your chakras. But on a day to day experience, moment by moment, how do you maintain the correct protective "Hum" of your aura? I just connect too frequently with others' energies! grrrrrrrrrrrr! co-dependent engery giver!

fairyhedgehog	02 Sep 2002
Quote: Originally posted by HudsonGray do a search on Playful Psychic on a search engine & look under the 'basic skills' section for Shielding. It's spelled out pretty simple there. I did do the search, and ended up at http://www.psipog.net/activepsy/book2.html#_Toc472931489 I thought there was some very interesting stuff there, so thank you HudsonGray.

napaea	02 Sep 2002
also i read the other day that cinnamon oil can be used to defend off negative energies. i haven't used it for that before, so i can't attest to its abilities, but it does smell yummy when worn

Dark Inquisitor	02 Sep 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Red Emma Every time they "dissed" me, I went away feeling destroyed. They went away feeling energized and elated. I wish I could describe this process more clearly. When I finally "got myself back," and realized what they were doing, I distanced myself from them. At first I tried to change the relationships, but they were having none of it. They needed to keep me put down. I admire your struggle Red Emma. In my own family, I have noticed that the energy vampires actually band together to try to get me back into the victim position. They will argue & support one another, trying to make me the bad person for refusing to put up with their abuse. If there is a situation or social function, they will try to make me the focus of their negative energy- making me into some kind of lightning rod for their free-floating hostility. What they are focusing on usually has nothing to do with the problem or the occasion, and no amount of reason can steer them back to reality. Needless to say, 10 minutes with one of them is enough to exhaust me for a week. I refuse to attend any social occasions with them. (More fire for the hostility pyre.) I gave it some thought and had to wonder, if they loathe & disapprove of me so much WHY do they want me there in the first place????? Makes no sense --unless they are getting something from it. The only way I have found to deal with them individually is to find the "off button". If you can uncover where it is their anxieties lay and steer things in that direction, sometimes they curl up like an old spider pretty quick! Tarotphelia

catlin	03 Sep 2002
Some months ago I started another energy vampire thread as I had made similar experiences with energy vampires and the best thing to save my health and thus my life was to cut by all means contact with energy vampires. Of course the energy vampires took it very bad as I was a really good energy "supplier" but believe me, I feel much better now! One vampire assaulted my with phone calls etc. but heck, life is difficult enough we don't have to bother with the trouble of some energy vampire. Most of these vampires have by a good deal caused their problems by themselves. I found out that these vampires often have a distorted view to life, they avoid taking over responsability be it for their own life or for others, they cannot distinguish between fantasy and reality (in fact they construct their reality how it suits them), they are selfish, childish, not apt for life....

Diana	03 Sep 2002
Quote: Originally posted by catlin .I found out that these vampires often have a distorted view to life, they avoid taking over responsability be it for their own life or for others, they cannot distinguish between fantasy and reality (in fact they construct their reality how it suits them), they are selfish, childish, not apt for life.... Exactly my experience with energy vampires. There may be other kinds, but these are the ones I remember. And which I now avoid like they were the black plague itself. They can suck you hollow.

wavebreaker	03 Sep 2002
I know this must sound horrible, but after reading all your posts, I recognize some of it in the way my mother behaves towards me (and to my brothers as well). She can be very dominant and demanding and often treats me as if I'm still a child incapable of leading an independent life (I'm 36 by the way...). She is constantly telling me what to do and criticizing me when I do something which is "wrong" in her eyes. And if I do something right she will make it sound as if she had something to do with it and it was all thanks to her. In short, she makes it sound as if I can't live without her. I know she means well and doesn't do it on purpose. I suspect she finds it hard to let go of her children and that she can't really accept that we're all adults now and don't need her as much as we did when we were children, or in a different way. But her behaviour does often drain me; sometimes I just can't manage more than a few hours with her, after that, I'm ready to leave the house screaming.... I've met people before who would drain me, but they were friends or acquaintances, and you can simply cut them off. With family, it's a lot more difficult, I don't just want to cut her off, because there are also good things in our relationship.

Bings	03 Sep 2002
I never before put much thought into Energy Vampires. Until recently. So I really don't know much about them. I believe I have a type of Energy Vampire very close to me. My husband. I have always been very sensitve to the feelings, moods and energies of others. I know when they are happy, sad, troubled... without them telling me. When my husband is in a bad mood he drains my good mood from me and brings me down with him. We were in Walmart a few days ago. I told him to go look at sporting goods while I did my shopping. I ended up with 2 of our children with me. We had a good time. We were all happy. Then when my husband and our other child joined us I was in the craft department. I instantly knew he did not want to look at yarn, material, paints and such. His mood turned bad, bringing me down with him. I very bluntly told him to go away. I did some more shopping (school supplies) and at this point had all three kids with me. We were again in a good mood, and had a good time. My husband caught back up with us while looking at girls clothing. Again, he brought me so far down with his mood that I was about ready to cry from anger and frustration. Shopping came to a standstill. For 20 minutes I was irriatable, angry, frustrated at everything. All I wanted to do was go home. (Home was an hours drive and the kids needed school clothes.) I finally told my husband to go get a soda and a hotdog in the snack bar and we would hurry up and finish our shopping. Once he left we were able to finish our shopping and I was again in a good mood. My husband is a wonderful man and my one true love. He is not someone I can distance myself from. It is very normal for his moods to affect my moods. He does make me feel very drained. So after we left that walmart to head to the mall across town I told him that he was an energy vampire. We talked about it and I'm hoping that after 19 years of marriage we can now figure out a way to shop together!!! Dianne

DarkElectric	03 Sep 2002
I think every high school should offer a course, strictly for guys, the curriculum being..."How to learn to shop, and really like it, so you don't become an energy vampire, or vex your woman in any way!" But this is probably a topic for a different thread!

Bings	03 Sep 2002
LOL DarkElectric!!! Would it also teach him how to act during long car trips with the kids, visits with my mother and possibly even a night at the ballet??? If so, how do I enroll a 37 year old man in high school? :-) Dianne

catlin	04 Sep 2002
After reading the last posts I know now why I NEVER took a bf out shopping with me. They would have driven me nuts.

napaea	04 Sep 2002
tarotlady~ totally relate! my mom isn't really a vampire, she's more of a moth. i don't know, she is similar, in that she picks on me a lot. i'm a very open and verbal person, and if i have a weakness, i'll put it out there to discuss it. she tends to use these opportunities to pick on me for her stuff. like if she is going through a troublesome time, she'll pick on me abot my stuff more. sort of dealing with her issues vicariously through me. i've gotten tired of it, and as my sister and i change (we live together) we are pulling away more and more. i just think it's like what you said; it's hard for her to have her own life and watch her kids going further into their lives, so she tries to pull us into her stuff maybe. *** but my question is still, even if you get rid of, or alter the relationships you have that have draining tendencies, what do you do about the public? 'phelia & others have talked about getting bad vibes from antiques and stuff like that. you can't get away from PEOPLE in general, what do you do when a random guy on the street starts pulling your energy?

DarkElectric	04 Sep 2002
Quote: Originally posted by napaea You can't get away from PEOPLE in general, what do you do when a random guy on the street starts pulling your energy? Shield, Shield, SHIELD when you go out! If you are an Empath, (And I get the strong impression you are,) then you really need to learn the defense mechanisms which will prevent you from these less than comfortable encounters. No, you can't get away from people, and so it's up to you to protect yourself. I have found that most of the General Public has a vague curiosity about, but no concise knowledge of, metaphysical things. They watch TV, go to the movies, read tabloids, horror novels, newspapers, but don't really get into the metaphysical any farther than this. They don't understand their own energies, how they work, how it affects other people. They are the vast unaware. And yet, since the energy thing is a human thing, (everyone has it whether they know it or not!) it gets sticky for us, who have more of an understanding. So we are the ones who have to make sure we are safe and comfortable, in a world of everybody. Did you see the link posted by Fairy Hedgehog, originally discovered by HudsonGray, further back in this thread? I recommend it!

the hermit	04 Sep 2002
fairyhedgehog's link is a good basic start. truthsayer mention's Dion's book-- "Psychic Self-Defense" by Dion Fortune here's 2 others-- "Psychic Protection: Beginnings" by Ted Andrews "Psychic Protection" by John Roger I've read all 3 and all have useful and interesting information and perspectives.

purplelady	04 Sep 2002
Thank you fairyhedgehog and Hudson Gray, or whoever originally posted the site of psychic sheilds. I've bookmarked it for future reference. I also think my husband/significant other may be an energy vamp! I've had A Lot of the same experiences as bings . But it isn't just shopping. I think it may have to do with his thoughts/expectations, as I read something like it at that energy sheild site and it rang a bell. Also , I've always liked to be alone a lot , just to hear my own thoughts and no one elses. Maybe EV's don't have to say anything and just their presence drains you?

Bings	05 Sep 2002
Purplelady, I agree that it can be just thier pressence that is draining. Shopping with my husband was just the most recent example of what he can be like. When he is in a bad mood he can be very very quiet, and the angry energy around him is very thick and heavy. It acts like a vacumm almost. The way it sucks all the good energies in. (I know I'm probably not wording this right.) It is almost like his energy when in a bad mood is like a whirlpool. Swirling around and around. Whatever gets caught in its current is pulled in and sucked under. It is a very strong pulling on me and very draining. As soon as one of us walks away from the other it feels like a big weight is lifted off of me. I hope now that I realize what is happening we can work on this together. Dianne PS... I'm also wondering if there is a link between him being an energy vampire and my migraines.... Gonna have to keep notes.

Diana	05 Sep 2002
Dianne: could it not be that your husband is being drained himself by the stuff going around him? Maybe he sucks in the tension and stress that shoppers around him are feeling, whereas you would rather let in the happy energies that can be found in shopping centers. Maybe he needs to shield himself. If he's not into spiritual stuff, he could perhaps just do it by some positive affirmations. He is obviously not happy in places like this and there must be a reason.

tigerlily	05 Sep 2002
I think part of the problem re: shopping with hubby could be that you're an empath - because you feel the quality of his energy, his mood. And for an empath it is very hard work to resist the urge to "take on" this mood. It may be that this is what's draining you, you need so much energy to defend yourself from his bad mood. I am an empath, so this is my experience, but I don't have encountered any EV so far, so I don't know exactly where the difference lies. But when you say that he "emits" this thick, angry aura, this sounds like he is producing enough energy of his own, not sucking yours.

Bings	05 Sep 2002
It's not just while shopping that this happens. That was just an example. Yesterday I had to go pick up our daughter from practice and when I got home as soon as I walked into our kitchen (he was fixing dinner) I could feel his mood. It was in the air. My good mood started to fade. It really feels like my good mood is being taken from me. Pulled or sucked out of me. Tigerlily, I'm not sure if I get it.... What you are saying is that he is NOT taking my good energies with his bad energies. But I'M taking HIS bad energies which in turn makes my good energies bad.... So the energy vampire is ME??? Or am I just empathic??? I can feel the moods of others. Family, friends, strangers... Can a person be empathic, grow up in an unhappy home, find herself even at a young age being the peace-keeper and then grow up to be an energy vampire??? Wanting everyone around her to always be in good moods so she tries to take thier bad moods onto herself???? Now I am really confused!!!! Dianne

Laurel	05 Sep 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Bings [b] Can a person be empathic, grow up in an unhappy home, find herself even at a young age being the peace-keeper and then grow up to be an energy vampire??? Wanting everyone around her to always be in good moods so she tries to take thier bad moods onto herself????] Yes, that's possible. More likely, if you are strongly empathic and never developed any strong psychic filters, you aren't stealing his energy as much as getting hit by it (imagine that bad energy as a psychic baseball bat) and becoming ungrounded quickly. This easily happens to sensitive, loving empaths. The good news is that there are a variety of techniques to build filters. Laurel

tigerlily	05 Sep 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Bings Tigerlily, I'm not sure if I get it.... What you are saying is that he is NOT taking my good energies with his bad energies. But I'M taking HIS bad energies which in turn makes my good energies bad.... So the energy vampire is ME??? Dianne Hm.. I admit this is confusing or perhaps I'm not explaining it well. As an empath you know in what mood the other one is, because you feel that mood as if it were your own. The other person isn't changing the amount of your energy, just its quality. As if you had two colors, and one of them bleeds into the other, changing it to mud An energy vampire just depletes you of your energy, so that you feel tired, dizzy, as if you were catching a flu. It doesn't have to affect your mood (although it can). Clearer now?

tigerlily	05 Sep 2002
This is just an unnecessary one-liner to rech 250 posts and change my avatar please forgive me....

Strega	06 Sep 2002
Quote: Originally posted by the hermit fairyhedgehog's link is a good basic start. truthsayer mention's Dion's book-- "Psychic Self-Defense" by Dion Fortune here's 2 others-- "Psychic Protection: Beginnings" by Ted Andrews "Psychic Protection" by John Roger I've read all 3 and all have useful and interesting information and perspectives. Thanks for the book list, The Hermit. Speaking of books, which ones do you have, Tarotphelia? :)

Dark Inquisitor	06 Sep 2002
I went looking & found that I had more books than I thought I did! Black Holes & Energy Pirates / by Reeder Psychic Self Defense Personal Training Manual / by Pickands Reliance on the Light / by Stein Psychic Protection / by Bloom Protected by the Light / by Goldberg Psychic Self Defense / by Fortune Energy Vampires / by Harbour Practical Psychic Self Defense/ by Bruce Tarotphelia

Strega	06 Sep 2002
Thanks, Tarotphelia. I'll check them out. :)

Bings	06 Sep 2002
Wow, this is really starting to make so much sense to me. Thank you everyone. Dianne

napaea	06 Sep 2002
DarkE: thanks for the heads up about the link in this thread, i had completely missed it! yes, i am an empath, which i don't know much about. i am really grateful that all of you guys have info, books, and thoughts on this, as it is becoming more difficult for me as i become more aware. quote "And for an empath it is very hard work to resist the urge to "take on" this mood. It may be that this is what's draining you" *one time i saw on tv - like an emergency ER show - a little girl came in after being in a car accident. she was maybe 3-5 years old. i could tell just when they were wheeling her in that her soul had already left her body, but her body was still hanging on. she just had the most vacant, empty look,and her coloring was horrid. she just looked like a wrapper with nothing inside. she did end up dying, and it was such a hard thing to watch, i just bawled and bawled. i ended up having to do a candle ceremony of some sort, to wish her spirit well and help focus her on going to the other side. i was just so overcome with the situation. it is hard to not "take on" what is going on around you, but i am certainly glad there are these books available and you all for guidance and help! blessings to you all!

truthsayer	06 Sep 2002
napaea, as an empath you really should read "are you really too sensitive?" by marcy calhoun. she does an excellent job in this book explaining the different kinds of empath and how to protect yourself. a more mundane book on sensitivity is "the highly sensitive personality" by elaine aaron, PhD. hers is a very practical guide to dealing w/ being sensitive in an insentive world. marcy calhoun's book is more spiritual. both are highly recommended. both authors have websites.

purplelady	07 Sep 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Bings Purplelady, I agree that it can be just thier pressence that is draining. Shopping with my husband was just the most recent example of what he can be like. When he is in a bad mood he can be very very quiet, and the angry energy around him is very thick and heavy. It acts like a vacumm almost. The way it sucks all the good energies in. (I know I'm probably not wording this right.) It is almost like his energy when in a bad mood is like a whirlpool. Swirling around and around. Whatever gets caught in its current is pulled in and sucked under. It is a very strong pulling on me and very draining. As soon as one of us walks away from the other it feels like a big weight is lifted off of me. I hope now that I realize what is happening we can work on this together. Dianne PS... I'm also wondering if there is a link between him being an energy vampire and my migraines.... Gonna have to keep notes. Yes, I can totally relate to the "thick heavy energy atmosphere " emitting from hubby!! Good Luck "working on this together" though. Sorry to be cynical but.................this is just my opinion, but , he is very most likely Like this , or has this energy beyond any effect You may have. Meaning it doesn't really have to do with You. It is His energy , he had it long before he knew you and it isn't likely he will change it.

purplelady	07 Sep 2002
HowEver, after you give up on trying to get hubby to change his negative vibes! there ARE ways for You to "sheild" yourself from it. What seems to help me is my own conscious decision to not let him bring me down. I know it is much easier said than done. But with practice it will help a lot! It May also infuriate him more! That he isn't succeeding in bringing you down/controlling /affecting you with his energy.

purplelady	07 Sep 2002
My husband is also a good man and a very good caring person In Some Ways. But as in Everyone there is good AND bad. Reconcilling this concept Within Yourself (Bings) could be causing a migraine right there!! And I couldn't say for sure whether your husband or mine is classified as an energy vamp, or "hitting" you with the energy because you're an empath, or any other number of classifications/explainations! But I have felt that thick energy /atmosphere that you explain! Personally, I try to avaoid shopping with hubby IF I feel that he is going to bother me or be impatient. A lot of men are because they just don't enjoy shopping at all! And me, I LOVE shopping! I want to be able to enjoy myself without being rushed. If he's there because he is the one with the money or checkbook , maybe you could convince him that HE would be much happier if he gave You the checkbook , freeing him up to stay home and watch football and drink beer ! ( snicker snicker! now 'm making myself laugh!) Some men just don't like shopping at all and it's as simple as that! And that's o.k. with me. As long as they don't insist on coming along and making us both miserable! On the other hand, it could be deeper than just not liking shopping. Some people Do want to bring you down with their "moods" . It may be unconscious. I have found that after long bouts with energy vamp men who start picking on me, be it how I shop or some faucet of my personality or beliefs or something about me, basically when I feel "put down" , I state Loudly and assertively: (so they can hear also) "I really like ME" For some reason this really shuts them up! It worked the other day on my husband during a particularly trying weekend together! He slunk away, tail between his legs. It totally took the wind out of his sails , as far as our arguing. hmmmmmmmm?!

Red Emma	12 Sep 2002
This, for me, is a very valuable thread. I had no idea I was an energy empath...or is that just "empath?" As I think back over some of my experiences, I realize what's been going on with me. Yesterday was a good example. My husband was feeling low, and then depressed. The first thing I knew I was badly depressed, too. I thought about this thread, the definition of an energy empath and realized what was happening. At the time I didn't look up the Playful Psychic link -- at that point I was too depressed to care. I looked it up today, and will keep its info handy. One question: Had I erected a shield when I realized he was feeling low, would it have been too late? Does one need to keep a shield in place all the time? R.E.

truthsayer	12 Sep 2002
it's good to practice imagine putting it in place a few times a day. then as soon as you become aware of something going on in your environment that could potentially rob you of energy. maybe you notice your husband in a bad mood or you realize you are feeling depressed. an important thing to consider is if you become depressed and you think hubby is the root, then ask yourself if the depression belongs to you or have you absorbed it from him. i think your intuition should be able to tell you.

DarkElectric	12 Sep 2002
When I was first learning Psychic technique, shielding was the very first thing I learned. I too was advised to put it up several times during the day, as well as take it down, and see what the difference feels like. Then, I was told to keep it up as long as I possibly could, only letting it down when I felt like it was too much. I gradually found it easier to throw up a shield, really fast, and then to be able to keep it up for long periods of time. Now, I can hold one up all day, sometimes, even longer. And it's become second nature to shield, whenever I am out in public. Hospitals are places I find it essential to shield. Triple strength. Not because of vamps, per se, but because the general level of suffering is so high. All that much pain, sickness and sorrow will wilt someone who is sensitive, and under shielded. If I don't make it a point to do this, I come home feeling really awful, tired out and sad.

cyan	18 Sep 2002
I'm glad i found this thread because i have an additional question. my neice who is 10 years old is an energy vampire. she has an older brother and twin younger brothers. her mother is able to stay home and gives as much love and attention to each child as is possible. she is a very fine mother. this poor girl tho, is like a black hole where love and attention is concerned. And i have to say i feel she was born that way. i saw her for the first time when she was around 9 months old and she already had that feel to her. Yeah, i am an empath also and i have lead a fairly solitary life as a result of it. i am presently working on learning about sheilding and really appriciate all of the information you guys have supplied here. My question is, is there any way to help my neice? i am so afraid for her. she is in for a sorrowful life if she can't somehow learn to generate her own love and acceptance.

truthsayer	18 Sep 2002
cyan, when you say your neice is an energy vampire, i guessing that the girl comes across as emotionally needy. she always feels that what she gets is less or inferior to her siblings even if she gets more? does your sister, her mother, spend an exhorbitant amount of time trying to soothe her daughter's needs? if so this may be the case. does your neice have a physical, psychological or academic disability that would increase her neediness? first, i definitely DON'T recommend you tell your sister that you think her daughter is an energy vampire. more than likely she knows the girl is demanding of her time. perhaps try to develop a relationship w/ your neice(staying shielded, of course) and see if you can intuit anything that would help her. if nothing else, i'm sure your sister will appreciate the break. my God! but 4 kids--and TWO are TWINS! perhaps at the age of 10 your neice could be guided into more self reliant and independent behavior. maybe get her involved in girl scouts or a sport and help your sister foster an interest that fills the void this child appears to have been born with. perhaps you are being guided to help her b/c you can sense her dependency on the energy on others while those closest to her cannot. over time, perhaps you can win your sister's confidence so she'll confide in any problems she has with your neice. time to catch any problems with your neice is before the hormones of puberty hit her. it'll be extremely difficult to reach her in adolescence w/o a pre-existing friendship. in the meantime, if you know how to send energy via meditation or prayer ask for healing for your neice and support for your sister. if you are comfortable, speak w/ your neice's spirit guides and ask for ways to help or just ask for her healing and protection. a fav method of mine is to visualize taking someone to the large hand of God and asking god/dess to take the person to where s/he needs to go for healing. then i let go of my need to feel overly responsible for what's happening to that person. i'm still trying to help then let go w/ love. it does work w/ practice and vigilance. i hope this helps in some way. good luck and blessings for caring.

cyan	19 Sep 2002
thank you so much for your advice, truthsayer. I am going to put as much of it as is possible to work now. I do live 60 miles away from them but i have my neice and her older brother stay with me for 1 weekend each month. and, we visit back and forth. thank you again. cyan

napaea	21 Sep 2002
also, cyan, if you are open to reincarnation, this could be something caused by a past life. i recommend reading "Children's Past Lives" by Carol Bowman. it is a fascinating book and reveals a lot about some of the traumas people bring with them into their life. i would tend to think she suffered a great loss during her death, and carried that over to now. i hope this doesn't sound crazy to you. if it doesn't you can also check out Konraad's past life thread to learn how to do a past life spread. or i would be happy to do a past life reading on her, as long as her mother ok'd it. anyway, i recommend the book...it might help you understand her better. she may be a vampire, but it may be because of a trauma. p.s. truthsayer i never said thanks for recommending the "sensitive" book! i saw that in a bookstore and loved it about 3 months ago, but didn't have the money! also, it looked sort of 70's so i didn't know how good it was, but I really liked it and thought i'd get it anyway as soon as i could. i'll have to get it now!

truthsayer	21 Sep 2002
the marcie calhoun book,"are you really too sensitive?" has been around a while but i don't know how long. i think it's still in print and you can buy a copy at her website. for me the info is still as relavent as the day i first read it. maybe 8 years ago? whenever you can afford it, i don't think you'll regret buying it. it's one book that i plan to keep and never trade or give away.

cyan	21 Sep 2002
I am open to reincarnation, napaea. in fact i was a pirate in a past life and just a bit of him still lingers with me. I am going to check out past lives in connection with my neice. the parents know odd things are out there in life (the eldest boy reads minds) but are somewhat nervous about it. And i got that book, everybody, the Marcy Calhoun book and am just starting to read it today. hugs to everyone

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