I Need Help

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 17 Sep 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

ming	17 Sep 2002
I already posted the story of my daughter's house on the site...but now I need ask for any help or advice you can give. my daughters house is haunted, very very strong , and now we can feel the spirit more and more often, the 4 children are scared to sleep, getting up all night; every light in the house is on all night;everybody getting more and more jumpy because they no gettin a proper rest. We had mediums in, know the story, at first wqere ok with this, accepted the spirits. But my daughter getting so weepy, and nervy--I seriously worried. She is first on the list for another house--but we have to wait on one becoming available. Anybody any advice on how to calm things down a little??

Umbrae	17 Sep 2002
Different spirits need, and react differently to different things for different reasons. General advice is to clean the house thoroughly, smudge it from bottom to top (leaving windows open), and then spray or mist the house from bottom to top with Sea-Salt water (with windows open). If this has been done, and no results have occurred – you may need to do a blood sacrifice (some spirits have needs to be fulfilled in order to have release).

Liliana	17 Sep 2002
I dont know about that blood sacrifice thing, it seems to me that could do more harm than good if they dont know exactly what type of spirit they are dealing with. It could possibly make some spirits stronger, and make them stick around even more. If such thing is necessary it really needs to be done by someone who knows exactly what they are doing to prevent mishaps Have you tried contacting a priest to do an exorcism? Oh, and Id appreciate you not posting in other boards telling them to read your message here, it spams up things thank you :) :THP

ming	17 Sep 2002
ok sorry about that. thank you for advice all, will pass it on to Cris ,see what she wants to do.We have a mine disaster in 1857; a man who killed his wife and shot himself in 1957; and an old lady who died in bed in 1976. WEe had mediums in who found this out and we have researched and verified all the above. im not sure who is causing the problems, but there is a deep sense of depression and sadness, plus Cris was just on the phone and they all ina state---waking up with a fright 4 or 5 times a night;all getting up at 3or 4 am to watch tv because they scared---froxen cold washing over you with raised hair and goosebumps...the lot.my daughter is starting to unravel and im so worried. we have'nt had a priest basically because we not religious and if you dont beleive in it how can it help?Cris wasnt scared before, this is new.

Umbrae	17 Sep 2002
My goodness, I certainly did not express myself well. I know you have had folks look at all the things going on at the house…and they found death, doom, dismay, and destruction. However, nobody asked or figured out the WHY! Figure out the WHY and you figure out what to do. You could smudge the house or have a priest exorcise the house… Do a sacrifice…. But none of those will really be too beneficial if you do not know what you are doing to whom and why. Bringing in a priest may do more harm than good if you do not know the WHY! I understand that when dealing with those who have past and are not at rest is very disquieting. But ponder this…suppose the spirit that is causing so many problems is having a problems of its own…trying to help you, and unable to communicate with you… You NEED to find out WHY…NOW!

Laurel	17 Sep 2002
I think the very first thing that needs to happen is for your family's Fear Factor to get brought way down. Get them out of the house and do *fun* things. Take their minds off. Have someone else cleanse the house with sage and salt while they are out having fun, possibly. Humor and playfulness is very important right now. That will do more to empower them and enable them to cope than anything. Laurel

HudsonGray	17 Sep 2002
Right, fear feeds into the problems. Get everyone happy. There's a way of cleansing that the kids can all join in on also--get everyone bells or whistles. Start at the top of the house in the attic & start ringing/blowing in every corner & nook & cranny. Work your way down the house, opening ALL doors, cupboards, etc. & making the noise in those too. As each room is done everyone yell "everybody OUT! Everything OUT! You don't belong here!". Do each room, as a family, this will get the kids knowing that they have a part in protecting their home. Open all the windows & doors, closing them when you're done with the room. Work your way down to the basement & do that too (if the windows there aren't openable, that's ok.) Then go around the outside of the house (make it a parade) ringing & blowing, getting everything off your property. Don't worry what the neighbors think, just make it a family production. Everyone officially touch the doors into the home & say 'this house is now safe' and enter again. Part is psychological (everyone needs this!) and part is old folk magic (off several continents I may add!). Smudge too, if you like. Later, you should go to each kid & ask what kind of protector they want. If the kids are young, have them pick a stuffed toy which will guard their room. If they're older, they can sit down with you & visualize a guardian spirit--this can be an angel, a bear, a lion, dragon, big dog, whatever they want as a protector of their room. They should visualize the creature/person & tell the helper to keep the confines of the room safe for them. Sort of like visualizing a protective bubble all around the inner walls. The guardian is to stay & protect them & their family. Again--this is both folk magic & a good boost psychologically. Make sure they pick something they feel is powerful enough to do the job. Have them give it a name so they can call it when they feel the need. If you're into holistic, or sympathetic magic, also bring in something that has a connection to the protector of the room. If it's a bird, have a feather tacked up over the door or somewhere in the room. A picture of the animal is good too, or a stuffed representative or small statue. If it's an angel, one of those little angel pins can be put somewhere, even pinned to the lamp shade or tied to the light bulb dangle. It depends on what level of magik you're looking for. But get your family's energy levels up. Rent a comedy video & everyone watch it with microwave popped corn & drinks. Do a comedy marathon or something. Anything to get the place feeling ok for a while.

AmounrA	17 Sep 2002
Ming, I notice you are from 'scottish hills', I myself live close to the cairngorms, what scottish hills are you in? With relation to the haunting. My first thought is that it is easy for these things spiral out of control once the imagination is brought in. With a force you can't see but can feel, you can bet the imagination starts going into gold medal winning performance mode. When you have a collection of people living in a house and the fear has spread, it gets worst, imaginations allign and feed off each other. I would bet that whatever the force is in the house, it is not capable of harming anyone. If it was my house I would put pyramids in everyroom (made from cardboard) and tell them to heal....I would also get a cat:-)

MysticRose	17 Sep 2002
Ming.... did any of the mediums talk to you about doing some possible vortex work and/or helping these spirits cross over? Also, Reiki on the house would help. A "banishing" doesn't always help... healing and transformation are much more effective. L&L Sky

Alex	18 Sep 2002
the story of the house, who lived there before, what happened?

catlin	18 Sep 2002
I think the most important facts are already pointed out by HudsonGray and AmounrA. Another possibility is to get the entities tell you what they really want. Each soul who lingers still in a place tries to communicate with the living and their means of communication are different from ours. Try to make peace with them, offer them a place/nook in the house where you place something the entities can relate to , eg, get a miniature house for them, make a smudging ceremony and tell them that you want to live in peace with them and offer them the miniature house as a token to settle in there. Once they have "inhabitated" the miniature house you can bring it out and bury it at a holy place, this sometimes helps also to calm matters and release lost souls.

ming	18 Sep 2002
ok thank you all, ive sent this on to my daughter. Yes i can see that fear feeds fear, thats why i asked for help because things were getting out of control.The mediums we had said we need a healing or rescue circle...that is 3 or 4 people who know what they doing.But naturally, they all busy, or on holiday, or goin to phone...etc. and Chris was in such a state this week i had to do something. She coming unravelled, totally. I know its a mixture--there are spirits in there, but also there is the emotions, the memories, of the mine disaster.Thats what makes you cry, gives you the deep despair. she needs be strong to cope with this, and your advice to get the kids involved and do noisy happy things will boost her. I am psychic, but not a medium. i feel it so close and so desperate to talk, but i cant, i dont know how. One more thing bothers me---i would hate to just walk away.to leave this as it is. It would be on my conscience forever if i just helped my daughter move out and we left. because we just leaving the problem for the next tenant, and leaving these poor souls in misery. We will get some sort of circle in, but I jus wanted help to get Cris through the nights!The phones have started to go dead, both the house phone AND the mobile, which is worrying & I dont understand it. however, we are not alone---we got you ! thanku.

ming	19 Sep 2002
cris had another bad night---but now the baby of the family, wee Sam, who is two and a half, has started talking about the "bad lady" --she doesn't speak, she stamps her foot hard on the floor....and she bangs her head off the walls. What is she doing ?Cris thinks its the lady who was murdered by her husband.

tigerlily	19 Sep 2002
Hi, ok, I'm not the expert on ghosts, but I was living in a haunted house once, so I do have some personal experience... I would strongly advice you to find some expert help with your problems and not try to remedy it by yourself - you could get in way over your head. Sure, there may be souls who are "only" sad and depressed and lost, who do not find their way to the other side - but there may also be some who are agressive, full of anger, like the "bad lady", and what will their reaction be if some amateur tries to shoo them away? What if your will and imagination and faith are not strong enough while you are doing you exorcism? If one of you doubts that what you are doing will work, or is still afraid while doing that rite, your focus and power will falter, and the exorcism will fail. Do you really want to deal with some seriously pissed off ghosts? I don't think so. Find a priest/ess - it doesn't have to be a christian one if you don't feel comfortable with that particular religion. There are pagan groups that do exorcism, as well. You don't have to believe in what they do to "make it work" - it will work if those people know their craft, no matter what you believe. It's all good and well that you want to help those ghosts, but my first concern would be the safety of the *living*: frightening someone suddenly, so that he falls down the stairs is well within the power of non-corporeal beings. They are not necesserily wiser or nicer, just because they're dead.

ChrisTheObscure	19 Sep 2002
My experience with hauntings is extremely limited, and I do not know what spiritual tradition you follow, so I'm not sure if this will work for you or not.What I've heard of being done is to cast a circle around the house and enter with a smudge stick, inviting the God and Goddess to enter and bless the house, bringing peace to all who dwell within *note - ALL who dwell within including the spirits who already reside there*. Do this in each room, lighting a stick of incence with the smudge stick. In the example I heard, at the end of this all the lights were turned up and the people had a housewarming party - and the magic circle was done by the couple and all their friends, dancing with arms linked around the house. I know for a new pagan like me, sometimes just asking the God/dess to bless with their presence can bring a lot of peace and dispell negative energy. Then, after everything's settled down, with the help of a medium perhaps, you can communicate with the spirits and find out exactly what they want. My thoughts are with you through this trying experience! Chris

AmounrA	19 Sep 2002
It strikes me that the more desperate your daughter gets, the more power she hands to this 'spirit'. Things must come to a head! I see a few options- 1] Do a ritual and ask the 'spirit' if there is something it is trying to say. Like a Lassie effect, the barking dog wants you to follow it. 2] Its a daemon, and is of the poltergeist family. Then I would expect things to get worse in the short term. (A strong will is needed to combat such things, fear will only make it worse) 3] Move. Perhaps the house is now so tainted in the mind, that it can never be an innocent home again. In which case I would move ASAP and never look back The way things sound, I would seriously consider option 3...

ming	21 Sep 2002
she is trying very hard to get out, believe me! However, a divorced mum of 4 on Benefit hasnt got a lot of options....but we are trying our hardest. We movin on now to the last option---we getting a vicar in. I know nothing whatever about wicca, so i leave it out. Apparently the family where the man killed his wife was quite religious (!) so we using their church of england vicar, to come to the house & do a blessing. This is pure desperation...because if im dead & anyone gets a vicar to me i WILL BE REALLY MAD ! I took Cris some turquise lucky stones, my dead mother's wedding ring,some blue "daylight" lightbulbs; and a lot of lavender to scent the house. She was a bit calmer when i left.Even if it all in the mind, then its working eh.

MeeWah	22 Sep 2002
Ming: This website may provide you with some information: www.belinus.co.uk/doorsofpeace/ClairProtection.htm

Violet Gargoyle	24 Sep 2002
One off the wall suggestion: a big house party. I mean a real get together and party, you could even go so far as to call it a wake if you like (for the house-bury some old doorknobs if you really want to), but I would at least suggest a happy and loud party. This is just an extention of what was already suggested, but get some laughter and life into the place. Put some more good memories of the place there....

DarkElectric	24 Sep 2002
Ming... My personal feeling is the Tigerlilly has given you some very comprehensive advice concerning this particular matter. I am also attempting to find some people who can help you. What I would tell you? Please, please, don't rule anything out. Even though you don't know anything about Wicca, if an experienced priestess were to show up at your daughter's house, and offered her assistance, would you boot her out the door? In view of what's going on, I think not. I know that my group has done many successful house clearings, releasing the trapped spirits. Tigerlilly is absolutely correct in the fact that what is needed to deal with them successfully is unwavering resolve. Many times these things are powerful, malevolent, and don't want to leave. But inevitably once they do, both the occupants of the house, AND the restless spirits are a lot happier. I know it's hard to feel compassion for Godawful things going bump in the night, scaring your kiddies, and wrecking your sleep. But unfortunately, they are suffering too. And have been since 1857. They need to go.

VmprGokuboi69	25 Sep 2002
I'm going back to what someone else had said earlier... You guys are looking to get rid of them. That's great, but the advice that everyone is giving here, are ways to get rid of them. My friend use to live in a Haunted Apartment building, and I was always over there, so I got aquanted with them. We had a lady that was hanged herself. A man that was killed by the mob, a bunch of dead whores, needless to say they brought life to the apartment complex. Sometimes they turned on the tv, or turned on the radio... in one case, they unfolded the futon, in front of me, my friend and my friends roomate, so we asked them if they were suggesting we weren't getting enough. You have to understand them, their needs, before you can go and try to get rid of them. Ghosts have certain things that make them stronger, so if you do any one of those things to get rid of them, you might make one of them stronger.

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