Prtotecting yourself: How far do/would you go?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 10 Sep 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

catlin	10 Sep 2002
I am curious again: How far would you go to defend yourself in case someone threatens your life or your family, your health, your belongings, etc? What would you do to protect yourself?

cjtarot	10 Sep 2002
Hi... Ok..here it goes..a direct threat to my life or my children..eliminate threat...and yes I would do it..my children are more important to me than a jail sentance... My health...get away from the situation..there is always a way out of an abusive situation... My belongings..Heck go for it..and when the police catch you and get a good laugh over the fact that you risked your life to steal a $10 imitation dimond..YOU go to jail.. The most thing is to protect yourself and your belongings...try not to put yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time..be aware of your surrondings..especially for mom's who are trying to deal with a 3 yr old and a shopping-sometimes you aren't as aware of the people around you as you should be... Blessings and be safe Cj

divinerguy	10 Sep 2002
I am loathe to harm a person unnecessarily, and I don't go out of my way to hurt people. However, if someone threatens the security of me or someone I care about, you can throw that all out the window. It doesn't matter whether battle takes place in a psychic venue or a dark alley; the result will be the same. I will, without hesitation, do whatever is necessary to protect those I love, including sacrificing my own life. Will I lose sleep over it? Yes, probably. WIll I regret what I did? No, because I didn't create the situation whcih required conflict.

Laurel	10 Sep 2002
Realistically, my tendency during abrupt crisis is to freeze or submit. In the case of killing someone to protect me or mine, I've never been put into that situation and cannot predict how I'd react- at some point, I think it becomes a matter of fight or flight instinct. Laurel

blue_fusion	10 Sep 2002
i've had a similar discussion with some of my buddies before. i asked them if they ever thought of themselves as capable of killing someone. and i was the only one who said yes. of course i explained to them that i arrived at this conclusion, after considering a scenario wherein i my family and myself would most surely die, if i did not take a life... :)

RedWood	10 Sep 2002
I am with everyone else..If it came to my family or that person..That person would be eliminated without regret...And knowing a few tricks to make sure it is self defense does not hurt anyone... Also..I don't put myself in a situation where I or my family can be harmed..If I can help it... You do what you can..I think instincts for most will take over...taking self defense classes arent to bad of an option either...

Mystick Dragon	10 Sep 2002
I've been in a situation where it could have gotten messy. Depending on the situation, I have no objections to elimating the threat. All I have to do is load the 20-gague shotgun. If it's more of a spiritual attack, I would have no objections to summoning the dragon of chaos. I almost had to against someone who was making attacks on a friend of mine. We did a group binding, all agreeing that if it didn't work that I would call the dragon.. Fortunately, the binding worked. The attacks stoped. That's my two cents on the subject. --Mystick Dragon

DarkElectric	10 Sep 2002
If someone were threatning my life, my family , or my friends, I would do whatever it took to eliminate the threat. If circumstances determined that the elimination was permanent, so be it. I would take the action required, and deal with the justice system later. I have an incredibly well developed will to survive. This extends to my family and friends. If it was a case of "It's them or it's me", it would be them. No matter what I had to do. And if I went down, at least I went down fighting. As far as belongings, stuff is just stuff. It isn't worth dying for. Except my instruments, of course. I guard those with my life.

Kaz	10 Sep 2002
i always try to avoid situations that are violent. though, i have been in those situations twice where i needed to defend myself and i could not get away, i know now through this experiences that if needed i can kill, i didnt have to here. i would do the same for family and friends if forced to. health, there is always a way out without using violence. belongings, lol, i dont care about those, these are replacable. kaz

VGimlet	10 Sep 2002
If my family were threatened, I would do whatever I had to do to protect them. I would try to resolve the situations without violence. To protect my health - you can always remove yourself from the situation. And to protect my belongings - ppphhhtt! Stuff is just stuff. It's not worth killing or dying over.

jade	13 Sep 2002
all of my protections are done by meditation and spell work. i don't believe in 'acting physically' when it comes to protections. i do however, take magic spell sand (one of our products and our most magical one) and create a line of protection around my yard and home. i plant trees and plants and ask them to protect us. i magic everything i do in my yard and home so that my protections are up and focused to keep us safe. if someone is acting negatively towards us ......... i print out reiki and white light symbols and hang them in my windows and on my doors and on my fence. i surround the negativity with pink bubbles and blow them away with love. i use wonderful protection meditations (with mirrors) to create barriers. :D in light, jade

Kaz	13 Sep 2002
and all that, won't help you if you end up in a situation somewhere that you physically have to defend yourself or get wacked..........it does happen, these situations, even if you try to avoid them. you don't believe in a physical act (using violence) to protect yourself? well, i do, i wouldn't be writing here if i didn't........... kaz

catlin	13 Sep 2002
Hi folks, Thanks for all your input. Personally I see that there are moments in life when the "Love and Light" thingy just doesn't work anymore and stricter means have to be undertaken. Although I am a rather pacifistic and calm person by nature, there is a limit to everything and when this border is crossed and personally safety is put in question I'd never hestitate to use the "Dark Gift" as I call the magick which others would consider as "black" or even physical force to defend myself.

jade	13 Sep 2002
i believe that we all create our own reality. so if a situation happened where physical force was needed, we created it to happen to learn from it. i work on my protections weekly (and sometimes daily) and monthly do greater protections. i guess it all comes to what you believe in and what you don't but if i was in a situation where my life was threatened i have no idea how i would react, in that moment, cause i haven't been in a situation like that since i began on this path (15+ years ago) i am hopeful, however, that i don't need any more of those types of lessons and i'm also hopeful that my intuition would get me the heck out of there before i was in danger (kinda like umbrae and 9-11 when his guides told him to leave the building). sorry if my earlier post upset anyone, it was not my intention. i was just sharing how i live, not how others should live. love and light, jade

Kaz	13 Sep 2002
jade, you didnt upset me, no apologies needed :-) i agree with you on the part you say about we experience what we need to. still, that doesnt say you won't ever face a situation like that, i hope you won't though. this thread actually reminded me of these two experiences, i had sort of forgotten it. though these occasions did teach me some valuable lessons. so, i have mixed emotions over them....... kaz

Umbrae	13 Sep 2002
Diviner guy stole my words..word for word. There is no shame in fighting back when the cause is right. The right cause is one that allows people the freedom of being who they want to be. There are those whowill do anything to rob us of that freedom. That is something that never changes. We cannot allow them to win. You have the right to defend yourselves when violence is done to you. Remember - you must be alive in order to forgive.

the hermit	13 Sep 2002
this is another thread I almost didn't post in... but here I am. first and foremost... one never knows what one will do until the moment of truth. for the few who've already been there, they know. for those of you who haven't... this is another case of "i can't tell you because you've never been there". i hope you never have to face it. i really do. me? i'll go down swingin' just as DE suggested. i know what i can do. i hope you never have to find out. but one little thing... never, ever, EVER point a weapon if you aren't ready to use it. knife, bat, stick, rock, tire iron, hammer, gun, whatever... doesn't matter... if you pull it, you better be ready, willing and able to use it. if you aren't, they'll take it away from you and then you'll be dead. hesitate and you'll be lost. better to turn the other cheek or try to run than to pull a weapon you have no intention of using. they'll know. they'll see it in your eyes. And THAT will be THAT. Heed the words of Umbrae... "Remember - you must be alive in order to forgive."

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