Walking w/the Goddess
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 14 Sep 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.
||14 Sep 2002 |
don't know if this is chat or spiritual so if you have to move it i understand.
just back from dinner w/a friend. i had a couple of drinks so i'm slightly buzzed but i'm still really upset about something that happened while out w/this friend.
briefly, out for japanese at an hybaci resturant. we sat w/3 adult children w/their mom celebrating her loss of weight. we all started talking about stuff...i know alot of things but not to expert but enough to share so someone can learn and investigate to learn more. i said something about this womans diet which is too strict..it's ok to give yourself what you like...A slice of cheese cake. my friend whispered.."expert"...and my stomach started bothering me..but because of this comment i couldn't share what the goddess really wanted me to share.
this woman's daughter is 8 months pregnant and looks great! feels great! i asked her if she was thinking about breast feeding? she was..i made the comment of it's the best immunitty for the baby and her brother agreed...then my friend said something else so i couldn't share that breastfeeding for a while or maybe 2yrs from what i hear is the best so the child doesn't need to get vacinated. that the vacines are made w/mercury and phamadelhyde...one poison one vermenter...something that will harm the child once born. i'm really made. i've gone to the bathroom 3x's and the cramps haven't stopped. this information has changed my mind about breastfeeding and willneve have my children get vaccinated. we don't need it here in the states.
so this it...for me. how can i walk in the light of the goddess and share the information she has given me w/others when someone who is a "friend" supposedly..stops me from making a comment like that! i withheld info that would help her make a decision or at least ask her ob/gyn about the FACTS not what they think they want her to know...HELP!!!!!!!!!! i will never see them again...please send her the light to know that society norms in the states doesn't have to be hers and her baby's!
thanks for listening.
||14 Sep 2002 |
|About breast feeding..I think it is best for the baby...Vaccinations..if you want your child to go to school you need to have...Also it may not be here in the U.S..but if someone goes to Europe and can bring it back..I dont like vaccines..but in the long run..i think they are best...|
Now I didnt really understand what you were sayings..So I hope I am not talking out of turn...
||14 Sep 2002 |
|to my knowledge what you said sounds true. however, this has been my experience in situations like this. my family has labeled me a "know it all" and they deeply resent me sharing anything that i've learned that might help them. i've come to realize even if the goddess has given me the info it doesn't always mean that anyone will be receptive enough to hear my words. my family thinks my attempts at helping them is intruding on their boundaries(sticking my nose into their business) so i bite my tongue and don't say anything. sometimes advice is just unwanted no matter how good it is. in those situations, it's best to keep it to yourself. now if you know someone is on fire or about to eat something poisonous, let the person know IMMEDIATELY! unfortunately, unsolicitated advice is seldom appreciated or taken in the same light of love and caring that it was given.|
now i only give advice if point blank asked. i'm tired of ppl getting angry at me over it.
||14 Sep 2002 |
|Ooops..I get what was said...forget my other post...
||15 Sep 2002 |
|This is always a hard kind of situation. I have no doubts whatsoever that your message was going to be sincerely delivered, and you have nothing but white light intended. |
My perspective is that we should never blame outsiders for our own actions, lack of actions, or wellness. Ultimately the decision, the power, the praxis lies with *us*.
So maybe what would be best is to reframe the situation. It might have been a little or lot hurtful when your friend whispered "expert" at you... but is it possible that they were trying to be helpful in their own way, gently warning you that you were coming on too strong regarding the woman's own choice, her freedom, to follow a strict diet that appeared to be working for her?
Is it possible that the opportunity to share information and your opinions regarding breast-feeding was lost not because your friend was being a "bad friend" as you focused on the wrong things at the wrong times (the diet, anger at friend, etc)?
I'm not saying that all of this is so. I'm suggesting its just one other way to look at everything. And as someone noted, immunizations are not a matter of choice. Schools and day cares demand those records. However, possibly there are alternatives regarding specific vaccines?
I don't think you dissapointed the goddess tonight, and I believe that you will find other ways to help people in equally valid ways. In the meantime, be good to yourself and those around you, and remember ultimately that we can share our thoughts and opinions and beliefs and research with other people but ultimately, we have to respect their freedom to be DIFFERENT from US, with their own often antithetical thoughts and opinions and beliefs and research.
||15 Sep 2002 |
|I have to agree with Laurel and Truthsayer here. Somethimes people need and accept advice, sometimes we have to accept that they are adults too and are capable of gathering and using their own information. I smoked for years, I knew all of the dangers but I didn`t stop smoking until I was ready to. Same thing with breastfeeding - my sister-in-law bottlefed both of her babies and completely ignored the advice given to breastfeed by myself and my husband. What can you do? In the long run it`s down to individual choice. So long as you live your own principles you`re doing the best you can.|
||15 Sep 2002 |
|PurpleGoddess, I agree with the previous comments as well. Giving advice is a natural impulse. Life has delivered each of us knowledge and experience in certain areas, and being generous we want others to benefit. Often we suffered for the knowledge and we don't want our frineds and family to suffer for the same knowledge when we could share it with them.|
But how to deliver it so it can be received? Now I often think long and hard before I offer advice. I put myself in the other person's shoes and consider what information they might be able to receive and how they might receive it. Remember for example a mother can tell a child a thing a hundred times and be ignored. Then someone else tells the child the exact same thing and it is accepted. Leaving mom with a hurt feeling.
I know your intentions were the the best, that is very clear. But somehow the message was blocked by the internal configurations of the others involved. The goddess knows this.
||15 Sep 2002 |
|i understand what you'all saying but this young mother to be was open to the light. eyes bright and open to me and the pull to share the information was strong until my friend whispered know it all..it was going to be advise so much as what i've learned thru chicropractors and other doctors. something else i just learned from a trusted person...here in the states there are school systems that allow the parents and doctors to sign a waiver from being immunized. and the schools have to accept it. i know that i don't want to poison my children w/mercury and the other chemicals that the companies make those things with. we wonder why here in the states the increase of autism?!? it's usually after the "shot"...it's not giving the childs immune system to develop naturally...and w/these shots in my opinion we're changing the genetic make of the immune system and that' why so many diseases have mutated to be resistented to treatments...|
i'm the type of person who does her best not to cross the boundary...guess what i can feel resistence from the other side when they don't want to hear what i have to say. comes from years of having my family do the same thing to me just because i had an opinion all my own and away from theirs. the goddess has been with me all my life and now just being realized. my friend doesn't share anything but negative advise...about my actions and i need to remember he doesn't believe in any kind of higher power and walks the way of the technology god.
so i shouldn't take it personally but i do and i lost all my dinner cause of his "know it all" comment...have irritated bowel syndrome and it's acting up w/the slightest amount of stress...so i'm starving again.
thanks for listening and the support. i just want to be accepted for who i am...by past life i was a healer in the community and leader of some sorts. my matrirach ancestors are making themselves known to me.
love and light
||15 Sep 2002 |
|if the mother to be was open to hearing you then your friend was out of line. it really is hurtful when you know something but someone who is either ignorant or jealous or feeling mean spirited has to say something to shoot you down in flames. in the past i would have held in the anger and caused my IBS to flare up just like yours. sometimes the best defense is a good offense. this is something my husband tried to get me to do for years when he hurt my feelings. he knew if i pushed right back then i'd shut him up. so finally i tried it and it does work. if he had done what your friend had, my response would have been one of the following,"who asked you?""this is between me and _____ so if you don't mind..." "hey! take a long walk a short pier will ya?" "no comments from the peanut gallery!" "excuse me but would you mind keeping your opinions to yourself?" |
i also suggest ignoring and not rising to the occcasion but with "snipers" like this, you need to make an offensive move. maybe laugh or make a funny fact to ease the tension. there is a book called,"how to deal with difficult people". i highly recommend it. your friend sounds like a sniper. a sniper waits until you've gotten yourself out in the open and then strikes quickly and sharply in a way that hurts, angers or stuns the victim. the gold points for this little game is gaining power over another person by hurting or humiliating. i doubt he had your best interests at heart when he said what he did. if the mother to be truly wasn't listening then he could have let you know in a way that wasn't ultimately hurtful and humiliating.
another fun game the sniper plays is if you confront him/her later about what was said the reaction is usually shock. example,"no, i didn't say that! are you crazy? and even if i did it would only be to keep you from a)making a fool of yourself b)keep you from being a busy body c) all other reasons." or "well, i'm sorry IF i hurt your feelings but..." the goal here is to make you doubt yourself, confuse the subject, deny your reality. the sorry IF one is the one that gripes me the worst. that like saying "i know i didn't do anything wrong but i'm sorry if i did what you claim. or "i was just joking with you! don't you have a sense of humor?" my blood just boils even thinking of the times the "just joking" defense has been used b/c no matter what you say in return the result of the conversation makes you look sensitive and like you are over reacting.
maybe the key message from the goddess about this evening is that your so-called friend isn't really your friend at all. no one that really cares about you will do things like that to hurt you in public or private. no person with sincere motives would keep you from giving out helpful advice. no true friend would take an opportunity like you describe to strike against a friend. he had to been jealous of you and needed to let some wind out of your sails. you deserve nice friends like us here at aeclectic!!
||15 Sep 2002 |
|The thought that came to me here was that the small amount of info you were able to give, was probably enough to get the ball rolling. Tomorrow perhaps, or next week, the expectant mother will read something in the newspaper which will remind you of what you said to her. Or she'll talk to someone else who mentions the same kind of thing. And the ball will start rolling.|
Sometimes just a whisper is enough.
As to your friend, I can't judge her from here. Maybe she just wanted to go out for dinner and have fun and laugh, and maybe wasn't in a mood for serious stuff.
Trust that your intentions will never go out into the world without effect.
You did as well as you could. That is enough.
||15 Sep 2002 |
my friend charlie...he's not spiritual at all. he's devoted to the god of technology so doesn't get what it means to connect on a spiritual level to anyone or anything. i did what i could and i know that bringing up the breastfeeding from a stranger and her brother agreeing could be just what she needed to hear and will get more info when she's ready. charlie just couldn't accept me for being me...so he really doesn't see me for who i am. it's a woman's inheriant characteristic to share info as advice or just that info...
this wasn't a serious conversation just very casual and some laughter...this guy just doesn't know how to be w/strangers..he's got this problem of "small" talk or sharing from his experience. i have no problem w/it...it comes from sharing in 12-step meetings, being totally honest w/friends and here! what he w/holds can hold back someone from learning about him or themselves...
i'll be ok. just wish that my i.b.s would settle down. just a little stress and i run for the bathroom for a while. need to externalize my anger/stress so my body doesn't revolt on me anymore.
||19 Sep 2002 |
Originally posted by PurpleGoddess
....but because of this comment i couldn't share what the goddess really wanted me to share.
...then my friend said something else so i couldn't share that breastfeeding for a while or maybe 2yrs from what i hear is the best so the child doesn't need to get vacinated. that the vacines are made w/mercury and phamadelhyde...one poison one vermenter...something that will harm the child once born. i'm really made. i've gone to the bathroom 3x's and the cramps haven't stopped. this information has changed my mind about breastfeeding and willneve have my children get vaccinated. we don't need it here in the states.
I read your post and was struck by a couple of things that had to do with your comments that I quoted above. I think I understand what you are trying to say, that you just want to help your friends, etc.. but maybe your friend's reaction came from the way you are phrasing what is really your own opinions and thoughts. I mean, to put your opinions in the context of "The Goddess wanted me to share..." I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but this reminds me of the television preachers who claim that "God told them" to raise $100,000,000 or "God told them" to go out and save all the heretics... Why do you phrase it, "I couldn't share what the Goddess really wanted me to share"... PLEASE don't take offense at this, because I'm trying to understand your comment. Sometimes I hate trying to talk over the Internet because no one can hear the intonations of the comments made. So I ask: Why not just state that this is YOUR opinions and thoughts that you are trying to share? If you are coming across all the time that "Goddess told me to tell you this..." or "What I know comes from Goddess..." maybe that might explain your friend's comments.
Secondly, and this I found I was getting a little angry over, so please again, excuse it if I sound harsh; I just feel very strongly about it. If the wisdom you are trying to dispense includes telling people to avoid having their children vaccinated, then I find it truly alarming. I've read some of the scare material out there about the 'evils' of vaccinations, but the fact remains that vaccinations have saved the lives of countless, countless children and it is in countries where no vaccinations exist that child mortality is so horribly high and aside from malnutrition, this is one reason why. People who scare people away from vaccinations seem to forget the horrendous child mortality rate there was not too many years ago from childhood diseases, even here in the US of A. When I read your comment that we no longer need vaccinations here in the US, I almost retched in alarm. Tell this to my friend who still limps from deformities from polio. One day do a web search of "Victorian Death Photos". These are pictures that the Victorians used to take of their dead children and infants, most carried away by childhood diseases. It is heartbreaking looking at these photos. I am extremely happy I did not expose my children to the possiblity of infant mortality (and yes, that was even with the fact that I breastfed) and if you told me that "Goddess told you" to tell me to avoid having my children vaccinated, I'd tell you that Goddess also gives wisdom to Man to make vaccinations to protect ourselves. I understand that there are those that disagree with this and if they want to expose their children to the risk of disease that is their business, but I can't agree with the spread of this particular gospel because it is dangerous to children.
Lastly, the only other thing I can say is that people tire rather quickly of others handing out unsoliticited advice. My husband is probably the wisest person I know but he also has the unfortunate habit of trying to direct the life of all around him. We (meaning myself and his friends) love him so much that we overlook this little fault of his, but I can tell you that there are times when we have to just tune him out for our own sanity's sake. lol Even he knows he does this, and when he sees the glazed look come into our eyes from all of his 'wisdom dispensing', he will laugh at himself and make some witty self-deprecating remark, which goes along way to helping us overlook his 'preaching' and accept the wisdom he *does* indeed have. The point I'm tryin to make is maybe if you couched your advice in humbler terms, other would be more willing to listen.
This is just my 2 cents worth. I'd like to know how you resolved this issue.
||21 Sep 2002 |
recently i was talking to my friend about tarot readings, and how i try to connect to the person's spirit guide when i give a reading.
she said "why don't you just connect to the person's higher self?"
well, since we are all connected and basically one, maybe you could concentrate on this woman, and ask your higher self to contact her higher self and give her this information.
i know that sounds kind of 'out there", but at least that way you will feel like you have done what you could to get the information to her, and then she has a fuller choice.
i know what you mean about feeling like you have something you are supposed to share, and then the chance is gone. but there are always others too. so when something like this happens, just ask the universe/goddess to "burden" or "prompt" someone else to speak to her as well, if you think you missed your shot.
she will get what she needs, so don't worry about her. her baby's life isn't on your shoulders!
probably this situation occurred for you as well. to give you the chance to see what happens to you when someone disparages you. so you must find a way to protect that chakra - 2nd? 3rd? - and keep your energy from being connected to your friends statement about you. YOU know who you are, you aren't being an "expert" or "know it all". you are genuinely concerned.
remind yourself of that so you don't put any weight in what your friend said.
it is likely your friend was uncomfortable that you were talking so openly with a stranger, and offering advice. he may have felt this was not normal or accepted behaviour. but i do this all the time!
i see a perfect stranger and have to go up to them and say "you do know you have psychic gifts, right?" i mean, we can't invade people's space, so you have to feel the situation out. but you did!
trust yourself! even if you didn't say something you wanted to, you can still send her energy or light, or prayers, whatever, and you are doing so much!
i hope you are not being too hard on yourself for this.
she will have the chance to hear this info again if she needs it.
trust in yourself and in your path, and don't be so down on yourself when you "think" you have failed. it is all part of the journey.
sending love your way (sorry this was so long!)
||21 Sep 2002 |
now you've gotten so much advice already, forgive me if I add another one on top of it ;) ...
You said "because of my friend's behaviour, I wasn't able to give this information". I'd say the Goddess gave you a learning experience here, and that is to observe how *you* react to your friend. It's not that you weren't able to react in any other way. You could have ignored him; you could have confronted him about it, either right then and there, or later in private; you could have given that information anyway or you could have shut up. And you chose (!) to be quiet and direct your anger at yourself (getting stomach cramps and throwing up).
I agree with others who said that you should trust the Goddess to find ways to let that young woman have access to the information she needs. Since you are probably not meeting her again, let her be and concentrate on what you can learn from this incident. Why do you react like you did? What does it do to you, to your health, your self-image? Are there alternatives you could try in the future? You could do a Tarot reading about it, or talk to the Goddess or find some other way to integrate what you've learned that evening.
||22 Sep 2002 |
|midnightmerry - i understand what you're trying to say, i say in the light of the Goddess here in this community but i am one not to push my beliefs onto someone else. i'm saying here that in my heart the light of the goddess was free and the conversation was too. the mother to be was open to hear, this male friend is a worshipper of techonolgy w/no higher universal power! i wasn't telling her the goddess it telling me to tell you....i was acknowledging the feeling inside to go ahead.|
yes vaccinations have save millions of lives. but now there are so few countries out there that have these diseases that if we were to stop poisoning the children w/mercury and other dangerous chemicals there would be no outbreak. plus too we would be able to help anyone who came over w/any one of them because we have the medical means. we need to have our own immune systems handle these diseases. it's something that every mother to be needs to be educated about. not just blindly trusting the childs doctor. we all need to educate ourselves about thepharmaceutical field...they exist to fund the gov't to keep on poisoning our future generations. the u.s. is the only country that has an increase in neurological problems in childred after 36 shots in the 1st 2 yrs of life...autism begins to show around this time or even sooner. some children are born w/it cause of a virual infection during the 1st trimester.
i know if i were to become a mother to be i would ask alot of questions and do alot of research. i've only touched on the tip of this huge iceburg of controversy and that's not my intent here to create a debate on it. every one of our parents here may say that they looked into it etc etc...i know for me that i believe that the mind, body and spirit has the power to heal itself and with the help of chiropractic and nautropathic medicine i'm healthier now than i was when i was a kid! example, had to get additional mmr vaccine for college entry cause my dr lost the records proving i had the last boster. w/in hours i felt funny and by 12 hrs i was sick as a dog and for a week i didn't feel right! now that's not right and no child should feel like that. i was 35 yo going into my 3rd semester at this college and the laws changed cause the pharmaceuticals weren't making enough money! no other reason! my chiropractor had to adjust me that whole week and said that i could've signed a waiver..something the school and the hospital didn't inform the students about...15 bucks later...sick! just something to really learn about before giving birth...so it's ok for the two of us to disagree about this topic. i have my belief and want everyone to have theirs.
to all who support me in the sharing of information to stranges. this was simply a random act of kindness on my part. my friend is threatened by any extension of self to anyone. if i were to say something to him in private he would just deny it or tell me it was inappropriate behavior. that's how his family and mine are...i'm not like that! not anymore or ever was...i used to follow strangers walking past the front yard. anyway...i did send out to the goddess that she somehow send the information i was trying to give this woman from another source or that she continue her research on her own...
yes, the lesson is to not let anyone (this friend especially) to get in my way of sharing information that is not advice but a bubble of doubt to have them investigate for themselves the answers i may have been trying to give them for the unknown questions they have yet to think of.
peace and love to all. thank you so much for loving me despite my difference of opinion and approach. i haven't picked up the cards in sometime cause of my energy level has been so low. the stress of life has had me down but i'm picking myself up
thank you again and light to you all!
||22 Sep 2002 |
i don't have a problem with what you are saying. i agree that there is basis in fact for what you believe. i agree that ppl are excessively vaccinated in this country but some vaccinations are necessary to prevent the huge epidimics of smallpox or diptheria and other diseases to happen again. i think study needs to be directed to safer ways for immunizations to be given. in many places in the world, the diseases that continue to wiped out them don't appear to be a concern here but it could happen if we don't take any preventative steps. but i do hail the goddess w/in you for sharing b/c i wasn't totally aware of everything you said. what you said about a breastfed child having a stronger immune system is true. a child's immune system isn't entirely set until around 10 years of age. you know how families w/ young children or daycares are constantly stricken w/ every but around? young children don't have a strong immune system. as long as the mother breast feeds, she is sharing her immune system w/ the child. up to 2 years of age is preferable. by adolescence the immune system is generally set. i could go into more detail but i feel like i need to support what you are saying. there are arguments on all sides but you have valid points.
while my experience w/ excessive vaccinations doesn't have to do w/ children, it does have to do w/ pets. 6 years ago a beloved cat that died of feline leukemia. she was the ONLY cat i had vaccinated for feluk. the other outdoor cat didn't get it and the other 2 indoor cats didn't get it. she had gotten it from the vaccination. then another cat died of tumors in her liver that were related to the vaccinations i had gotten her for years in her neck. this time when i took them to the vet, instead of finding things for me to vaccinate them against, they encouraged me to avoid the feluk since all my cats are now indoor. i was told that tumors and feluk were being linked to getting vaccinations.
so i lost 2 cats b/c i was a good owner and got my cats regularly checked up and vaccinated. so i can easily imagine there are human parents having problems problems w/ their kids due to vaccinations. it has something to do w/ the solution that the antigens(?right term?) are carried in.
so bless you PG for sharing your knowledge. it honors whoever wishes to listen.
||22 Sep 2002 |
you ARE loved. and we are all on our own paths, i am thankful to see that you are open about yourself, your questions, your worries or concerns. thank you for sharing this thread
sorry you lost some loved kitties due to this vaccine problem.
i've read that as well, that animals just DON'T need to be vaccinated every year...why do the vets do it? money, i guess.
so sorry for your loss
||22 Sep 2002 |
|I agree with Diana, you planted a seed. Be patient, it will grow
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