break up spell = what moon phase??

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 11 Dec 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

pozt	11 Dec 2002
I've heard that breakup spells should be done at the waning moon, but if i am doing such a spell for my friend (at her request), then shouldn't I be doing it in the WAXING moon? I see it as this 'coz a waxing moon means increasing powers, and so wouldn't my spell become MORE powerful if done at a waxing moon? Please correct me on this if I am wrong. Thanks.

Sulis	11 Dec 2002
A spell isn`t more powerful if done at the waxing moom. You should think what the spell is for and then use the appropriate moon phase. The waning moon is used for getting rid of things you don`t want eg. negativity and the waxing moon is for gain or increase eg confidence. A good example of how you would use the moons` phases is with healing spells - A spell to get rid of a disease should be done on a waning moon and a spell to increase health would be done on a waxing moon. Can I just urge a bit of caution with this Pozt. You are proposing to do a spell which would affect someone elses free will and without wishing to cause any offense you really don`t seem to know what you`re doing (judging by your recent posts). IMHO magic should only be used if there is no other way of doing things - would it not be easier for your friend to just break up with her boyfriend as most people do? Before you embark on this spell please think `Do I dare disturb the universe?` Love and light crystalmynx xx

allibee	11 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by crystalmynx Before you embark on this spell please think `Do I dare disturb the universe?` Pozt, just remember that what goes around, comes around. Laurel, who is very wise about these things - said recently on these boards something along the lines of when you reach out with magick, it comes to meet you half way. So if you are doing something positive you will get positive coming to meet you. BUT if you are doing something negative - ie - against someones will or wishes, then that negativity, and the elementals that live in that energy will come down to meet you. Do you really know what you are messing with at this point in your magickal development? If you want to help your friend, go act as an intermediary, a messenger between them. allibee

pozt	11 Dec 2002
yes i understand that magick should only be used as a last resort. Actually, I told my friend this many times already, and even told her bf to GET THE MESSAGE. :P But he treats my best friend like *cowdung* and then treats her like a queen whenever another guy tries to approach her. She's been thinking about it for 2 months already. That's why I asked for help on this spell casting stuff just to get things right. Thanks to everyone who answered my Qs. :P

Laurel	11 Dec 2002
(thanks for the vote of confidence, Alibee btw) Let me make sure I understand the situation. Your friend wants to break up with her boyfriend but she is too co-dependent to just do it, because every time she shows interest in someone else, he turns into a romantic for a short period of time? I have the perfect solution for this situation and it involves a technique called "Lesser Black Magic" or LBM. It doesn't involve casting any spells, but it -is- a magical act and will be more effective. LBM is one of the most effective and practical methods of preforming magic in the world and unlike spellcraft, its applied by many, many people who'd never call themselves witches or magicians or shamans... they don't know its "magic". :) I'm not teaching you the principles of LBM here, I'm just offering you a specific LBM technique or rite that will enable you to get what you want. Any alterations you make to tailor it to your specific life will of course work just fine. 1. Decide how badly you want to help your friend. 2. If the answer is "BADLY!" then move on to step 3. 3. Tell your friend "Listen, I love you but you are being stupid. Either you dump this turkey who you know is bad for you, and you stay broken up with him, or I will have to stop talking to you and socializing with you. You have three days to either break up with him or accept the fact that I'm withdrawing my companionship for the next 6 months." 4. Give your friend those three days. 5. Keep Your Word- and leave. Either your friend will find the courage to make the right decision and be gone from the guy ~or~ it'll no longer be a problem in your life and you can go find some less stupid friends. She might not be able to do it in three days. But most likely, she will do it within a month. This probably sounds really harsh. But if my understanding of the situation was correct, and your friend wants her boyfriend gone but lacks the sense of Self to bloody well boot him out the door knowing the way he's stringing her along, there is --nothing-- you can do with spells and prayers to make her change. If she loves having you as a friend more than she loves being in a dysfunctional and abusive relationship, she'll make the right choice. If she's incapable of making that choice on her own, any spell you offer will fail any way and then make you doubt your spellcrafting abilities, because the Scope is wrong. Laurel

Laurel	11 Dec 2002
(PS- I just realized that I think the magic halfway comment was actually expressed Amounrae *sp* who is also very wise about these things. LOL) Okay, now that I understand the matter better, reading your other posts.... Your girlfriend needs to get self-confidence in herself to carry off breaking up. Which means she needs to do the spell herself. It has to be a spell that will allow a change in her consciousness to give her the self confidence to get out of the bad situation. You can be there, but she's the one who has to Change... its HER magic, not yours, that is paramount here. So create a spell that she can physically do. There are some wonderful folk on this forum who can help you with that matter, but it would probably be a lot better if -she- asked for help, rather than -you- doing it. Your girlfriend is like Dumbo; she can fly- she just doesn't know it. She might need a feather to get her off the ground. However, you cannot fly for her and in my heart, I fear that's really what she's asking of you. In any event good luck and don't let all my posting today scare you away from magic. And don't just take my word for it. Trust yourself. The real answers are in there. Laurel

Sorceress_Jade	11 Dec 2002
Goodgod, Laurel just put my thoughts on the matter into words far more succint then I could have. But I'll blather on anyway ;) If it is her own lack of confidence that she faces in this matter. You casting a spell to push him away could have very unhappy concequences for you. (And indeed for her, even if she does it that way.) Try a positive spell, that she directs toward herself or the situation, rather than a negative one that you project at them. IMO it's not a good idea to get yourself tangled into casting spell ON others, because even if you are pushing them away, you are still binding your energy and yourself to them. In this case it would be to both of them.

MystiqueMoonlight	11 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by pozt I've heard that breakup spells should be done at the waning moon, but if i am doing such a spell for my friend (at her request), then shouldn't I be doing it in the WAXING moon? I see it as this 'coz a waxing moon means increasing powers, and so wouldn't my spell become MORE powerful if done at a waxing moon? Please correct me on this if I am wrong. Thanks. I don't mean to offend, but the mere fact that you are even asking this indicates IMO you shouldn't be dappling in spellwork at all. Spells are not toys for the inexperienced, more so doing those that effect other people.

meatbox666	23 Dec 2002
I do not think that doing a break upspell for your friend is bad. I would feel bad for you if you did not get any money for doing spiritual work. Don't you want a new outfit, cd, or have a car note to pay. Make those psychic vamps understand that you are the most powerful witch in town and they must pay or if not they will not respect you and will secretly make fun of you.

tarotbear	23 Dec 2002
To answer your question- your spell should be done after the third quarter just before the moon goes black. Rather than suit the Moon to your spell, you may find it better (I did not say easier) to suit your spell to the Moon. For example - you need money to pay a bill NOW and decide to do a spell. You should think about it in this way: A spell to bring money if the moon is waxing full; a spell to decrease your poverty if the moon is waning. The Full moon will Increase your money flow; the Waning moon will Decrease your poverty. Oversimplified for sure, but you have to make magick work for you, not the other way around.

DarkElectric	23 Dec 2002
It's just possible that we may be overlooking a few things here, as far as the advice giving to pozt's friend about this situation. She may be really young, less than experienced, and really afraid of this guy. There may be a cultural distinction too, in which men might have less respect for women in general. Therefore, spellwork may be the safest, most viable option. Pozt, if you can, try to encourage your friend in raising her self esteem. She does not need to stay with a guy like this, but maybe she doesn't know it, or is shy, or scared and doesn't know what to do. The magical advice you have been given is correct, you want to do this during a waning moon, to diminish negativity, which is what this situation is, negative. It would also be a good thing if she could do it herself, or with you when you do it, and help you. If you need to know more about how to go about this, don't be afraid to ask.

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