Calling upon great power

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 09 Dec 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

The Enchanter	09 Dec 2002
I want to know if anyone knows any of those cool things that make the unbelievable happen! I will list some myself below. Thank you. If you want to know why I want to know it's because wan to try some! Thanks again. Peace out!

HudsonGray	09 Dec 2002
But with power comes responsibility, otherwise there's too much that can crash & burn (and hurt people in the process). Sorry, I don't value the negative feedback I'd get on my karma if I listed anything that's worked for me. If you just want to try it because you can, that's not a good enough reason. I got ethics baby!

zorya	09 Dec 2002
the enchanter, are you asking about divination methods? if not, general spellwork questions belong in spirituality, and i would be happy to move the thread for you. bright blessings, zorya moderator,divination

The Enchanter	09 Dec 2002
Such as a famos one... Light as a Feather, Stiff as a board. One person Lays on the ground while at least 4 people surround him/her and they put at least 2 fingers under the person's body. All those who are surrounding say the following chant... "Light as a feather, stiff as a board, rise body rise" All eyes are closed and minds are concentrated. Slowly pushing up with the fingers and repeating the chant the body should start to rise. This takes patience. No one may notice the body is rising until you decide to finish. Something simple like that is what I'm looking for. I'll post more I have later. Peace out!

zorya	09 Dec 2002
moving the thread.

Laurel	12 Dec 2002
1. Clean your bedroom 2. Take a shower and bath, put on a soft robe and slippers, towel-dry hair. 3. Enter bedroom, turn off lights, light a single candle. 4. Remove robes 5. Take candle in hand, approach mirror 6. Stare into it. 7. Say "I am the Creator and the Creation; I am "____" insert ideal of choice (love/God/Perfection/Will/True Name)" 8. Repeat 6-7 for at least 20 minutes. 9. Preform daily for a year. Laurel

Moongold	12 Dec 2002
Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom. Mastering others is strength; mastering yourself is true power. If you realize that you have enough, You are truly rich. (From Stephen Mitchell's translation of the Tao) Moongold

Pollux	12 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by The Enchanter Such as a famos one... Light as a Feather, Stiff as a board. (...) Mh... I do like Sarah Michelle Gellar (I think this is the name), but there's been so much criticism around that movie... and I agree on a general basis! :D *LOL* Are you sure THAT is the TRUE GREAT POWER you are looking for? And HOW GREAT is that? IS it great? Are you sure? :) Personally, I am once again in awe for Laurel contributions. If I were in your shoes I would try what she's suggested. ;) I can't say I have done that for a year, but all along my odd personal path I have come close to those experiences many times (just wondered, what's the use of a mirror in front of the bath tub? })). A similar form of that was part of the Rosicrux initiation rituals. A couple of times I also scried, saw creatures, and once I also left my body...

The Enchanter	12 Dec 2002
Now that I got the steps for staring at the mirror for a year everyday. What does that do?

Laurel	13 Dec 2002
Simple answer: It makes the unbelievable happen. Advanced answer: In terms of neuro-linguistic programming, it is a gentle way to switch your brain circuits from mundane consciousness to having the Will of an Adept/Master/Insert term of Magical Competence of Choice. There are much "quicker" ways, but they are also riskier. The fact that you had to ask what the heck this ritual was for suggests that you are still working on a low enough consciousness 'circuit' to not be ready to make the unbelievable happen. You're chasing Hollywood special effects and "glam-magick" that frankly don't exist except as side effects of Self-Transmutation; the irony is that those who are actively becoming their own God don't have any well need for glam-magick because its just a distraction from their goals- but they're the only ones that seem to be able to do it consistently and at Will, according to historical evidence. {note- I am an Adept-in-training; I am not an Adept. I cannot levitate and I have not preformed the Self-Deification ritual I have offered for a year although upon creating it for you, I think I'll do and we'll see where it takes me) If you're laying on the floor and want to get up, it burns x number of calories/minutes to flex your muscles to stand. If you're laying on the floor and want to appear to levitate, it burns x+x number of calories/minutes to become a competent stage magician. If you're laying on the floor and want to ~really~ levitate, it burns x+x+x number of calories/minutes to harness your mind to a level of consciousness where either a)you really levitate or b)you hallucinate that you levitate and the belief of the observers is so intense that they hallucinate as well. If you're going to bother spending the energy and time it takes to do the last one just to be "cool" instead of, oh, graduating high school with straight As and applying to pre-med school at Harvard to be "cool" and "make big bucks", be my guest. They're on par in terms of the commitment required and the amount of cute chicks you'll attract. But the Harvard grad will have better job security :P Laurel

The Enchanter	27 Dec 2002
Th whole "Great Power" thing was just a name for the thread because I couldn't think of anything else creative, catching, or the least bit on the subject at all. (lol) w/e Peace out!

Karenwhe	27 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Laurel 1. 7. Say "I am the Creator and the Creation; I am "____" insert ideal of choice (love/God/Perfection/Will/True Name)" Let just say; you say "WILL" instead of your true name.... wouldn't that create an identity crisis with Will Smith.......by the time the year is finished you will be convinced that you are Will Smith.... just a thought that crossed my mind while reading this.... he he he he :) rolf

HudsonGray	27 Dec 2002
Laurel, you're right on the money! 99% of what holds people back are the base reasons they have for wanting to do something. The ones who don't need to show off are the ones who can learn the lessons the best--and when you're only learning them for 'yourself' and not to fool/justify/prove/astonish others, you can reach higher faster. Learning & accountability. Self reliance & self respect. Self confidence & being at peace--why aren't those what everyone asks the 'gimme spells' for? *sigh* Know yourself. Then look for what you want to change & why. THEN manifest the change. Magic works best when applied to yourself.

Karenwhe	27 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by HudsonGray Know yourself. Then look for what you want to change & why. THEN manifest the change. Magic works best when applied to yourself. I totally agree with this. I would just like to add that it is not as simple as it sounds. To know yourself - means knowing all parts of yourself and dealing with the Inner Child (we all have one whether we like it or not). Blockages in manifestation occur when inner issues are not dealt with. And some inner issues are hard to find and long searches are required to get to the bottom of things. Dealing with Inner issues is a long process from my experience, some times years. One thing I do not agree with and that is : "But the Harvard grad will have better job security" http://healing.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prosperityplace.com%2Fexcerpts%2Fmoney.html Like HudsonGray said; it is about yourself; job, security etc., etc., Harvard has nothing to do with it.... trust me on that one.. .from experience. I know enough Harvard people who are stuck in a "rut" as opposed to other people who have no education and have more money that they can ever spend in a few lifetimes and great businesses. Just my 0.1 cents.

Moongold	27 Dec 2002
Am I at a lower level of consciousness because I'm not sure what you're talking about here? Greater power? I thought personal power (as opposed to political or social power) is simply awareness and conscious contact with God. Self-mastery, if you like, in the sense that one is conscious of everything one does. And happy with that as well. Which is where the Tao verse came in. But being God? To be honest, Laurel, when I read your advice to Enchanter about standing before the mirror chanting that verse everyday I wondered if this was an arcane joke, the extremes of fancy or something completely beyond my ken. I have seen a kind of levitation in TM and any one with a Catholic upbringing knows that many of the so-called saints were reputed to have levitated. They are supposed to have miracles as well but I wondered if they not just part of the the Church's mythology, like so much else. This conversation is being carried out in the open so my question is legitimate and born purely of curiosity. No offense intended. Moongold

Karenwhe	27 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Moongold Greater power? I thought personal power (as opposed to political or social power) is simply awareness and conscious contact with God. Self-mastery, if you like, in the sense that one is conscious of everything one does. And happy with that as well. Which is where the Tao verse came in. But being God? First of all I would refer you to the article I posted in my previous post just the one above yours to read. This will give you some idea of power……of manifestation so to speak. But there is more to it: About these Powers you can look at it two ways (depending of what suits your background) psychological or spiritual. Both speak of the same things. Psychological: Deals with the issues of powers to achieve everything you ever wanted in your life and way beyond. They do this by dealing with human behavior in a scientific way. Kind of what is stopping you from doing what you want and achieving your greatest dreams and still be happy when you get there and not “empty”. Laurel just gave an exercise of psychological programming that will enable you to do that. But Laurel used a spiritual tool. This can be achieved at a psychological level, not spiritual and with no candles etc., etc. Spiritual: It is the same thing as above but it has other tools to achieve the same objectives: Full control of your life and manifestation of anything and everything you want and beyond, using candles, affirmations, tarot, spells and whatever you feel comfortable with and long as it works for you. Quote: Originally posted by Moongold To be honest, Laurel, when I read your advice to Enchanter about standing before the mirror chanting that verse everyday I wondered if this was an arcane joke, the extremes of fancy or something completely beyond my ken. [/b] This is a spiritual tool to achieve your objectives. Yes you are your own God; meaning: when God gave you life he also gave you all the powers needed for you to create (as he creates) everything you want in your life. There are no limitations. The limitation lie in the human mind not the possibilities around. An example of this is how you see Laurels advice as a joke… which if fine but this means that here is where your minds boundaries are, here is up to the point where you are comfortable, and no more (that is just fine, as long as you understand that this is your safety net not others). The human mind creates boundaries (blockages) that enable the human to live in a certain security zone. But if you want everything; you can have everything, as you must realize that everything you get in life (good or bad) is your own personal creation and your own reality. Others have other realities. If you want more you can use a tool (psychological or spiritual whatever suits you) to break your boundaries and understand that you are God as you are part of God and created in the mirror of God and have all the Powers. You can do with the Good or Bad for that matter – after all it is your choice what to do with your powers. These boundaries are usually created in Childhood this is why the Inner Child (philosophy and psychology has emerged) – to break the boundaries created by indoctrination and all sorts of other stuff around. Politicians and stuff – just as an example how they have nothing to do with your life: Lets say that in a country that the Income Tax are the harshest people are poor but you will also see very wealthy and honest people. Why? The same rules apply to them, why are they not poor? They should be because that is the tax law and all the surrounding laws, that promote poverty… They are not poor because they know that no politician and tax law and any other thing can create their reality, they have no boundaries – in simple terms: they have a solution for everything. Their ability to find a solution to everything is because they have no boundaries. Only the people who put boundaries to themselves live within those. You can give a thousand excuses from politicians to leaders and what not…. At the end of the day; it is our power and your self that creates your reality – no one else. Politician and Leaders exist because people do not create their own lives and they need someone to create something for them that they can "blame" or "hang on to" - so they create the politicians and other leaders. The same thing when you go to church and pray for help from God and nothing changes. You get angry say god has forgotten me.... but the truth is that God already gave you power..... now use it or lose it. Most people lost it and now must regain it. This last example I think is a bit more complicated than that.. I just hope it didn't confuse more. I hope this clarified some of the concept. But if you would like I can point you to some articles that may further clarify this…. all you have to do is ask.

Moongold	27 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Karenwhe The limitation lie in the human mind not the possibilities around. An example of this is how you see Laurels advice as a joke… which if fine but this means that here is where your minds boundaries are, here is up to the point where you are comfortable, and no more (that is just fine, as long as you understand that this is your safety net not others). Thanks Karen, I don't see Lauren's advice as a joke. I wondered at her meaning. That is why I asked the question. Peace Moongold

Laurel	31 Dec 2002
Heya Moongold! No, I wasn't joking when I created this ritual for The Enchanter (and I didn't think you thought I was) and I wasn't too terribly surprised when he didn't understand the purpose. I am going to be doing this ritual for a year, starting tomorrow morning. I even bought a new mirror for my bedroom for just this purpose. And I do expect this ritual to call upon Great Power, and transform my life. Why? Everything here is symbol, but powerful stuff. Looking into the mirror you are facing yourself. Given the body image problems the majority of people having "facing yourself" in a mirror is actually a difficult act. Doing so naked, after a bath, is a return to a natural state. You're entering into sacred space. A white candle? The light of a white candle represents so many things to so many people, but all of them boil down to the same general concepts: Truth, Purity, Salvation, Protection, Divinity. So with your white candle in hand, you face the darkness- your shadow self. And you look that reflection, that shadow right square in the face and you begin some powerful but simple neuro-linguistic programming. (and anyone who doesn't know what neuro-linguistic programming is should look it up with Google, because its -powerful- stuff) As the ritual continues, as the days progress, a change in consciousness should progress. The change in consciousness will be profound. You will begin to Know and Understand yourself on a level that might at first scare you, but if you work through the fear, you will become engaged with the cosmic consciousness and -real- magical change. With these changes, based on your context you will either *become a Divine being* or *channel Divinity*... depending on whether you believe if Man created God or God created Man. Since Below is as Above, and Above is Below, its irrelevant on your point of view regarding the emergence of divinity... if you practice this ritual, every day, you will experience Great Power and transform yourself into something extraordinary. So at least the magical ~theory~ goes. If my application of magical theory is correct, this will happen. The only way to see if its true or not is to.... do it. lol So anyone else who feels like taking on the challenge is welcome to do so. Consistency is part of the key in making this work. I for one have great difficulty managing consistency so my first challenge is applying my Will to engage in this ritual for at least 20 minutes a day, for the next 365 days. As for levitation, somewhere I commented on the fact that I believe levitation is possible... it just requires X+X+X time/energy to learn how to consciously do it. Saints, for example, are people who are probably already transformed to a higher consciousness and Know and Understand the things that doing this ritual I've created will enable one to Know and Understand. But in the case of saints (at least the studies I've read as with Saint Theresa), levitation was never something they did consciously... as with stigmata and other effects, it happened spontaneously, as part of "rapture" with the divine and is not something they could do except while engaged in an ecstatic peak experience where they were (for lack of better terminology), "channeling" the Divine. Laurel

Moongold	31 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Laurel I am going to be doing this ritual for a year, starting tomorrow morning. I even bought a new mirror for my bedroom for just this purpose. And I do expect this ritual to call upon Great Power, and transform my life. Thank you for replying, Laurel. I deeply admire your commitment. Teresa of Avila was an early role model for me, an archetype. Theresa of Lisieux is my confirmation saint. I was very drawn to the uniqueness and power of both women but the passage of time and other experiences have blunted my own acute curiosity and delight in the consciousness of the Divine that I know both of these women felt in their separate ways. As you know, they wrote about their experiences extensively. I have often wondered about the experience of the holy. Were Teresa and Therese chosen? Or were there a combination of factors involved? Their undoubted spiritual awareness, the amazing ritual, imagery and belief system of the Catholic Church of the times, the self-denial of religious life coupled with the undoubtedly strong sexual energy that both women would have possessed, the sense of mission that Teresa of Avila particularly felt in the reform of the Carmelite order - Could these things have replicated in some way the effects of current day neurolinguistic programming? Or am I being too analytic? Is it possible that a window to another level of consciousness, to the Divine, opened for both these women? Did this window open because both women, in their separate ways wanted this and worked actively towards it? Was it merely circumstance or were they chosen with a greater purpose in mind? Perhaps this is more about faith, intuition - knowing the unknowable - and there is no value in asking the question. Some of us spend our lives asking questions instead of living them! Quote: Everything here is symbol, but powerful stuff. Looking into the mirror you are facing yourself. ..... You're entering into sacred space.......A white candle? The light of a white candle represents so many things to so many people, but all of them boil down to the same general concepts: Truth, Purity, Salvation, Protection, Divinity. So with your white candle in hand, you face the darkness- your shadow self. I understand this. Both Teresa and Therese faced their own dark nights of the soul. And Teresa's buddy, St. John of the Cross as well. Is this the kind of self-awareness and humility that seem to be essential to higher levels of consciousness? I think so. The greater the light, the greater the shadows though, and this is fascinating also. These ideas make the recent discussions here about the Devil more interesting, but that is an aside. Quote: As the ritual continues, as the days progress, a change in consciousness should progress. The change in consciousness will be profound. You will begin to Know and Understand yourself on a level that might at first scare you, but if you work through the fear, you will become engaged with the cosmic consciousness and -real- magical change. I do believe that this will happen for you in some way. Some years ago I learnt TM (20 minutes practice twice a day) and had some quite incredible changes in consciousness through this. However, progressing along this spiritual continuum requires practice, discipline and, I truly believe, a nobility of spirit, humility and a really good sense of humour. I have been imperfect in these later attributes (soft but sad chuckle) The experience of serious illness some years ago provided another purifying and lifechanging experience and I did at that time have some powerful dreams and an altered state of consciousness for some months. Quote: Yes, I agree that these qualities seem to have been unconscious. In writing this response to you now , it has seemed more possible that this level of consciousness or holiness is something that can be achieved through practice, desire and willingness. I'm not sure that I will carry out the ritual you've articulated but will fashion something for myself in a spiritual sense that will bring me into more conscious contact with the Divine. It may be something different altogether but will hopefully have a similar outcome. One of the things I love about the Tarot is that it has opened this window a little bit for me again. Your comment about the need for persistence and commitment is a critical one. I hunger for the knowledge and for the pure delight it brings. This discussion has opened the doors a bit more. I wish you well and hope that perhaps you can share something of your progress along the line. Moongold

Laurel	02 Jan 2003
You laid a lot of awesome spiritual food for thought on my plate, Moongold. I am going to think about all of this before spouting off much of an answer. I do believe that intense spiritual devotion and practices can lead to a very good place... and would never deny that the stories of Teresa of Avila and St.John of the Cross fill me with awe and wonder. But the line between spiritual devotion of that intensity and the fanatism of the Inquisition is so dangerously thin. I delight in talking to people who devote their lives to communing with God. Some people devote their lives to destroying anything or anyone who doesn't toe their version of "God's Will"- and yet they believe, with the conviction of a saint, that was they are doing is in fact God's Will. No one would ever be able to convince them that they were wrong, because of their faith. Faith, untempered by compassion, is dangerous stuff. Laurel

Moongold	02 Jan 2003
Hi Laurel, I'm glad to have given you some food for thought! It will be interesting to hear your views on the fanaticism of the Inquisition and the of the saints. I use the same words but I think the attitude and behaviour they describe are intrinsically different primarily because of motive and resulting actions. I see the actions of the Inquisition to be essentially political and patriarchal on a fairly far reaching scale. Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross had deeply personal, mystical relationships with God which transformed them. In Teresa's case, particularly, the mysticism was accompanied by action to reform the Carmelite order. She was a uniquely intelligent and powerful woman. The actions of the Inquisition resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people who were different. Many of them were described as witches. I have to be careful - I don't know enough history here. These terrible mass killings - political and social actions coloured by deeply unconscious darkness - have been repeated many times since in history - Germany, Bosnia, Africa. I see the context for the individuals we are discussing as very different. The common element with Teresa of Avila , John of the Cross and Therese of Lisieux was this love of God and the desire for union with the Divine. This is a very different and personal thing and, coupled with her reform activities, certainly made Teresaof Avila a threat to the establishment of the Church. I can't remember whether this was so with the other two. We had a Josephite nun here, Mother Mary McKillop, who also challenged the Church establishment in 19th century Australia. She was excommunicated but now is on the road to being the first Australian saint. I am not sure about her mystical experiences. Which brings me back to the discussion: the mystical experience, the personal relationship with God - the personal transformation (my words). This is about mysticism and altered states of consciousness. Do these states of being act as a channel to union with the Divine however, one understands this? How does this happen? I think this is very relevant to our own spiritual journeys. But enough from me for the moment. I would be interested to know what you think. There is a significant intensity in some types of mystical experience that sometimes removes mysticism from our perceived reach. Both Teresa and Therese were also ordinary women who paid attention to the daily rituals of life in which we all partake. They were brave and special women. I have known other such women who lived quite special lives of great humanity and humility. Some of them had unique mystical experiences, most did not. What does this mean for our own personal journeys? A hurried collection of thoughts, Laurel, in my lunchtime. So I had better get back to work. Moongold

Moongold	04 Jan 2003
Laurel has gone on a two week sabbatical from Aeclectic and I'm going to miss her clarity and knowledge about things spiritual. I guess it doesn't matter what path we are on there are many commonalities. I don't begrudge you your break at all, Laurel We were speaking about personal transformation and what I would call perhaps in an old fashioned way, the pursuit of the Holy. Some would call it reincarnation, some would call it simply God, others the Divine; there are many names. This is something in Aeclectic that I find very exciting but in the last few days I've realised again how individual it is. Perhaps, just to close off this thread, this is something which has become very significant. We all have systems of values and ethics. Some of us belong to religions or have other esoteric practices and beliefs. Those are really important but they are not quite enough. There is also something about being aware of omnipotence, the feeling of the uncanny and the unknown, the sense of the tremendous, the awful and the mysterious. And, of course, great love. These are the ideas that we were beginning to explore in this thread. I hope all of us can pick them up again at some time. I acknowledge that we do deal with them in many different ways. Blessings, Moongold

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