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Do "return a lover" spells work?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 08 Dec 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.



pozt  08 Dec 2002 
OKAY!!!!! I've seen other threads saying how we shouldn't interfere with the ways of the universe and the 3 fold effect and such, and I can say I have no use for such a spell (I have a good bf), BUT I've been going through websites and people saying how those spells really work, etc.

1. Has anyone ever tried purchasing "return a lover" spell kits before? I know there are those who say that "return a lover" spells are not "right", but regardless of whoever it affects, etc, does it actually work?

2. How long does it usually take for those kinds of spells to work?

3. I know there are those who say that "return a lover" spells are not "right", but regardless of whoever it affects, etc, does it actually work?

Thanks for curing my curiosity!!!

Love and Peace. 


pozt  08 Dec 2002 
oops, i think i posted this in the wrong thread! sorry! 


zorya  08 Dec 2002 
i am moving this thread, because it will be better suited in the spirituality forum.

bright blessings,
zorya
moderator, divination 


HudsonGray  09 Dec 2002 
One of the problems with 'return a lover' spells is that they don't deal with WHY a split occured in the first place. Until the problem is resolved to both people's satisfaction, the returning doesn't stand a chance of being smooth OR long term & good for both parties.

It's much easier to do a love spell on yourself asking that anyone, who wishes to approach with the intent of a long term relationship with you, feel free to come to you now. This way you AND the other person (or persons, as several may just start coming out of the woodwork) can look each other over & both are free to go ahead or to walk away. All parties retain full control--you just make the intent known that you're ready to have a relationship & would like to be approached.

THESE work MUCH better! You can maintain the people as friends (total rejection isn't part of the package) and your options are fully open. 


Teranar  09 Dec 2002 
Yes, that works much better, especially since the target of a love spell may resist it or may be unable to contact you. I know becuase I myslef have been hit by 3 love spells, one worked but simply wore off becuase I couldn't contact her, (we're friends now, by wierd coincidence) the second I don't know who cast it but it bounced off my love magic protection (You prepare for things like that after one bout) the third love spell cast on me also bounced off. 


The Enchanter  09 Dec 2002 
I just want to say spells only work if you believe they work! 


Demonesse  09 Dec 2002 
I believe they work, but not all of them, and not on everyone. Anyhow, working such a spell so someone will fall in love with you or with another is not only meddlesome, it's something only lame and unscrupulous people do. 


Kazz  09 Dec 2002 
Hi Pozt, nice to meet you!:D

I agree with HudsonGray on this. The only thing I will tell you is that if you get a blue candle and inscribe the persons name (who you want to hear from) down the side of the candle and then light it and leave it burning. I have tried this years ago, when I hadn't heard from someone and I wanted them to call me.. In 3 days from the burning of the candle, I recieved a phone call from the person.
But it could have been a coincident??? or it really did work?? I think like The Enchanter said.....if you believe, then it will work;)


Cheers
Kazz


:TQC 


Sulis  10 Dec 2002 
Hi Pozt,
Can I just add that to get your spells to really work you should concentrate on really developing your visualisation skills and calming your mind. Meditation is something which most serious practitioners of magic do a lot of. IMHO you don`t get anything for nothing in this world, the more you put into something the more you`ll get out.

Love and light

Crystalmynx xx 


Laurel  11 Dec 2002 
Pozt, you just had to deal with my bad black magician self in two threads related to this one and I'm very sorry I'm subjecting you to one more. I promise this is almost the last, because finally it brings up the ethics issues I skirted around elsewhere (and btw, I understand your situation a little better after discovering there were three sep posts on the same issue, attacking different aspects and I'd have answered slightly differently if I'd read them all together first... I will go back and fix that ASAP)


There's a different between Can and Should. You Can do a lot of things that you shouldn't. The only person who can tell you what's right is your own heart. If are an ethical person, or emotionally sensitive, or you want the respect of the general magical community, you'll probably want to follow some variation of the As It Harms None/Don't Mess With Free Will ideals.

Once again, Scope comes up. Its ~very~ hard to use your own Will to overthrow someone elses. If a person breaks up with you and is very sure of themselves and that decision, getting them to return via magic alone is IMPOSSIBLE. On the other hand, if you combine spellcraft with LBM and you really evaluate what it would take to get them back and then you provide it... unless their Will is stronger than yours, you'll probably get what you asked for... but woe to you both if it turns out to not make you happy.

In general, when someone breaks up with us, its because there was something in our relationship that wasn't working. Getting back together without fixing the problem will cause everyone pain. If the problem is fixable and both people love each other, then all might be well, after all.

But being a good witch or magician means Knowing Thyself and To Thyself Being True... and those are very difficult things to do, and sometimes we just need to use our magic to accomplish them, nothing else.

Laurel 


DarkElectric  13 Dec 2002 
Here's a thought...
Say the "Make lover return" spell did work. Does someone REALLY want that person back? Remember why they left in the first place. The Mage should examine, above all the personal motive for even contemplating a spell of this nature. Is it ego based...as in, "You can't leave me, A) I need you, B) Nobody leaves ME, C)We're in love D) any other such nonsense?"

Relationships break up. Sad but true. I know this from personal experience, and was in fact, at one point, tempted to do the "Lover return" spell.( I am not being arrogant here, in my case, it would have worked, because I have training, experience, and know what I'm doing.) However, I thought about it carefully. I realised that if I had gotten "Mr Wrong" back, it would NOT have been the dreamy reunion I was hoping for, because the reasons we broke up would not have changed. We are the same people, and there would have been even more problems, because a magically forced union only lasts so long anyway. It's a fact.
So, in view of all that, I desisted. I don't know if anybody remembers the old horror story "The Monkey's Paw".
It's about people who get exactly what they wish for using a magical object which grants ANY three wishes desired.

Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. 


tarotbear  19 Dec 2002 
Dark Electric's comment above is quite excellent! If something is 'broke', all the 'fixing' in the world will not work if the cause of 'breaking' is still there.

How does one reconcile the 'a spell works if you think it will work' and 'you cannot make someone do something they do not want to do?' schools of thought?


"an it harm none" 


Shadow Wolf  20 Dec 2002 
I don't think a 'return the lover' spell is quite ethical.

If you can't get the lover in question to return on his/her own,
why in the world would you want to use a spell to do it ?

Then you would never know if they returned because they loved you, or because you cast a 'return the lover' spell.

In my humble opinion, love is too important a quality to mess around with. 


Natalya  21 Dec 2002 
I agree, perhaps its different if the other person left you and feel the need to recomplete that void...but in that case its better to just move on...there are more and better fish in the sea :) 


meatbox666  23 Dec 2002 
If you decide to have a lover return to you then make sure you do the ritual well. That means utilizing all of your emotions to bring him back so that you will not obssess about the idea any longer. Make sure you do the ritual so well that you fall out from exhaustion afterwards.

Make sure that you cover your ass. That means use more than one candle for different things that could affect your ritual. You need a pink and green candle dressed with road opener oil to open the path and the lover returns to you. You need a black candle dressed with D.U.M.E oil( Death Unto My Enemies) to block the path of another who is trying to have a relationship with your lover or vice versa. You only want the lover to be with you dont you? Well.......... You need another black candle dressed with Holy oil to bust through the spiritual wall blocking this relationship from happening. It could have been magick that caused the person to leave you, or hell maybe her / his energy is not meant for you. Whatever the case you must bust through it and that candlewill help. You need a red and green candle dressed with compelling oil and write your Lovers name 9 times under it. The red is for the lost love and the green is to bring good luck to the relationship. You need a purple candle and dress it with uncrossing oil to erase the negativity surrounding your relationship with the person. Write your name and the other person name. And you need a red and black candle dressed with compelling oil. The black is to represent the emotions that turned bad as it burns burn the red candle to replace the bad emotions with healthy one. Oh and get a yellow candle and dress it with control oil. Write your name on it so that you will not do anything stupid to ruin your magick. You need to control yourself and help yourself to not screw up.

It sounds like you need a domination spell rather than a love spell. You do not really want the person back for love........only to satisfy your broken ego. You are upset. If you wanted a really sucessful ritual it sounds like a hate spell would work nicely because you really dislike the person for leaving you broken and empty. Do not feel bad..shyt happens.
You will get over it and if magick helps then do it. Buying candles and oils and insense is pretty expensive and I find that going to church as a christian on Sunday and paying ten percent(tithes) of my earnings is a hell of alot cheaper than being a witch. Hell, being a witch is expensive and you still have to buy the candles for money spells. LOl, it is ridiculous. 


zander770  23 Dec 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by pozt
Has anyone ever tried purchasing "return a lover" spell kits before? I know there are those who say that "return a lover" spells are not "right", but regardless of whoever it affects, etc, does it actually work?


hey, there...i've one i'll "sell" ya...cheap! send only a money order (or...cash works), to: mr zander mcmil...

just kinding! here's one:

Reconciliation Spell--this can be done anytime of day, whereever you are. visualize the person as you recite this. if you have a hard time with visualization, have a picture of the person (*and tarot signifiers!) handy to gaze upon.

recite ("chant" it! "vibrate" and "vocalize"! "SEE" the very letters and sounds "riding out on the 'air-waves' to your lover"!) until you feel the person either being pulled towards you and/or thinking of you:

"if you are turning towards me, know that I turn also to you and come to me in love.

"if you are thinking of me, know that I think also of you and come to me in love.

"if you are saying my name, know that I say your name and call you to me and come to me in love!"

then, say the person's name 3 times.

you might do this rite w/three tarot cards/keys; one for you, one for the other, and one signifying the two of you together. keep it in a "sacred," undisterbed place, but only for three days...

~Z~770
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The Do "return a lover" spells work? thread was originally posted on 08 Dec 2002 in the Spirituality board, and is now archived in the Forum Library. Read the active threads in Spirituality, or read more archived threads.

 
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