OTherkin.
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 06 Dec 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| Arialinna |
06 Dec 2002 |
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Does anyone know of some good websites that would help people(like me ) figure out whether or not they are an otherkin and if they are what kind? If you do please post them so we can check this out!
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| allibee |
06 Dec 2002 |
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what the bloomin Ada is otherkin, please?
allibee
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| DarkElectric |
06 Dec 2002 |
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Sincere thanks for the links, you guys. And I know, it's hard to believe something if it isn't happening to me. The problem comes in when it IS happening to me, and I don't know what it is. Thanks again.
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| Teranar |
06 Dec 2002 |
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Umm... two years ago I was attacked by a demon, who constantly told me I wasn't human, and wanted me to join him in killing all the humans, which is why it let me live... I don't want to talk about it anymore than that.
But if there are Otherkin, then I'm probably one... and for some reason that really unsettles me...
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| Arialinna |
10 Dec 2002 |
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Why would it unsettle you? honest question I am not trying to alienate you or anything? Thanks Mystick and others for the web sites! I am glad I am not the only one with no clue on who or what I am.... In a manner of speaking!! I am going to cheack out those web sites now so I will see you guys later.
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| Laurel |
10 Dec 2002 |
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Somewhere, in another thread months ago, I told the story of how my mother on her death bed told me that she was an angel and she had, as she spoke, the light of Grace, and both my father and I believed her. I felt like I was in the presence of the Divine that day.
Long before my mother ever said this, I had studied all that was ever written in English about the nephilim, fascinated by the concept. It struck me then that if my mother was an "angel" then I was nephilim, child of flesh and spirit. As the years passed since and the memory of that last meeting faded, so did my faith that what my mother said was really true. At this juncture, I feel pretty secure in my own humanity....most of the time.
I've met people who profess to be Otherkin and... I just don't know. But I know enough to withhold criticism, because the universe is bigger than a bread box even if my mind isn't some days.
Laurel
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| Arialinna |
10 Dec 2002 |
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I understand! I felt that way for along time! until I realized that I can't hind from myself and so I accepted that I was not really sposed to be human.If you were to meet me and look at me in a magical setting I would not look at all Human I would look like a cross between an elf and a dragon! Well you were lead to this thread for a reason and I hope you find out what it is and learn to live with changes! That came out wrong but if I try to fix it I may do something worse so I will apologize now if I have hurt some ones feelings with this post. I am sorry!
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| Mystick Dragon |
10 Dec 2002 |
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Dun worry, it wasn't until I recieved Inferno, and had that disturbing dream... that I awakened. My dream consited of my group getting ready for a binding on someone who was working with dark magicks. The Lady came to me at work and told me taht I was not of human flesh. She said I was from the sea, and should return to my real body. It was then that I realized that I was a big water dragon. She told me that She and the Lord would be there at the binding, and they were. I could see, feel and interact with the dragons of the elements. Fafnir was being mean, but Naelyan's calmness cooled his temper. It was great! Since then, I've had dreams about being a dragon, and each time, I've been the same dragon...
--Mystick Dragon
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| Arialinna |
11 Dec 2002 |
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Those who believe are welcome those who do not I welcome you to search the web sites and look for books on the subject. As for me I do believe for you see I am one! :)
Thank you mystick we all by now should be friends talk to you later!;)
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| Laurel |
11 Dec 2002 |
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Heya Arialina. Never fear, sincerity never ever hurts my feelings unless someone is sincerely trying to assault me or mine :)
Here is my dilemna and I realize I'm about to tread on some ~very~ dangerous ground so I hope all who read this can appreciate my own sincerity and intent to have a discussion without repudiating anyone's integrity or validity. I had to sleep on whether I'd post this because no matter how I say it, it might be interpretted as an attack on a belief system. I'm not trying to do that, and I'm definately not attacking individuals on this forum.
That said. *deep breath*
I am sure that Otherkin folk believe that they are more than human and their belief itself allows them to find the proof they need to sustain it. There's nothing I can do or say that would convince them they are wrong and I'd not even try. (If this is confusing, read Robert Anton Wilson's "Prometheus Rising" some time where he explains in very, very simple terms how we sustain our beliefs with proof- and everyone who has a certain belief will be be able to "prove" it to themselves at least.)
My beliefs are different and there's an equal chance they are wrong, but nonetheless its my beliefs. Since I believe that gods, spirits, and etheric creatures are created by human consciousness and exist in the subjective-internal, there's no real way anyone can prove to me that they are truly Otherkin and not just "normal" people seeking an outlet for certain feelings/mythic truths unless they showed up at my house and sprouted wings in the physical plane. My Will is pretty strong these days, so I'd have to encounter someone who's belief (faith) was strong enough to knock me off my paradigmal chair to convince me to change.
I don't feel any loss or disempowerment from thinking of myself as "only" human, because I believe humans are better than even gods- gods are just the canvas, we're the dudes with the brushes and cans of spray paint! There is nothing in the objective universe I'd rather be than a human being except possibly a dolphin or humpback whale and I'd prefer to do that on a completely aquatic planet where no pesky mamals were dumping crude oil into my ecosphere and disrupt my meditations with torpedoes.
I cannot but feel a sense of pity for people who have lost all sense of the magical quality of being human that they can only reach out to archetypes and myths in order to try and Know Themselves. I think at least some people who feel like Otherkin carry around some kind of emotional burden that makes them feel like being human is shameful, comon, and well... mundane. In my opinion, being Otherkin is a kind of roleplaying where they can put aside the pain and participate in a semi-consensual subjective universe that's brighter and more cheerful or mysterious or ~something~ than the life they are leaving behind. Its probably a lot more fun to be Otherkin when believe you and want to listen to you talk about it. I think Otherkin band together in the same way Trekkies or gamers or furries or SCAers do, and really, its just another game.
However, do I believe that the Otherkin paradigm is harmful, especially compared to say, oh, a Fundamentalist paradigm or an Addict's paradigm or a Tyrant's paradigm? No! And it certainly doesn't harm me in any way that other people out there believe in Otherkin. My only worry is people who get so caught up in being Otherkin they miss out on the incredible delight and splendour of being -human- or who feel that their Otherkin-ness should give them priviledges or allow them to squirm out of responsibilities. Any form of escapism, taking to an extreme, is harmful.
So I guess what I'm saying to any Otherkin-believers out there is that yes, I'm as guilty as a mundane person in thinking its fiction-fantasy, but hey, I could be wrong and if I am, I'm glad you're right. All I ask that you just be kind to your Inner Human and keep an open mind that maybe, in the end, its make-believe on a very deep level.
Laurel
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| Arialinna |
11 Dec 2002 |
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I do not take offence to you saying what you believe and I apperciate (SP?) what you have said because it made me think about why I believe what I believe! Do not think that I have changed my mind it is just that now I know why I believe that this is real. I will not try to change your mind and hope that you will not try to change my mind. Peace and Love to you Laurel!
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| Laurel |
11 Dec 2002 |
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Then I'm glad what I wrote helped. Peace and love, my friend.
Laurel
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| allibee |
11 Dec 2002 |
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Actually otherkin all sound a lot like the Walk-ins, elementals, starpeople and general earth angels that Doreen Virtue is on about in her book Earth Angels.
The difference is she points to collective description and test and survey, which is more about your humaness and accepting how you evolved into it, than what seems to me to be frankly, a rather tall story. I'm afraid I see it as no more than that.
Do you remember in the film 'Independance Day' where all the believers went to the top of the skyscraper to welcome the aliens because 'someone' fancifully said they were friendly? They were the the first ones to get wiped off the face of the planet as I remember.
Question is: can these otherkin be described as any sort of fact that means ANYTHING in relation to the world around them or their innate humaness?
Or is it just another 'tall story'? You must remember that these have been perpetuated since time immemorial, since man first learned to make marks to tell his story.
Base it in the 'real world' and we can relate to it. Base it on 'another world' it becomes something that has no meaning.
Tell me and I learn, SHOW me and I UNDERSTAND
allibee
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| Arialinna |
12 Dec 2002 |
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What can I tell you that you will believe? what can I show you that you will understand? do you believe in the gods and godesses? If so why is it hard to believe in faeries being real?
Do you Believe in reincarnation? Then why not Faeries being reborn into human bodies? Can you answer those questions? I do not mean to insult you but I can not help the way people take my words!
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