Seance (Scary thingy)

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 13 Dec 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.

The Enchanter	13 Dec 2002
Ok, me and some friends are going to sneak out in the spring and do one of those seance things that I don't know how to spell if someone could correct me if I spelled it wrong. But anyway. Is there any sites, books, or movies you think I should look at for research before we do it? Thanks. Oh and if there was anyone that has done this before tell me what happened or tell me what not to do or what to do? Any suggestions will be great! Peace out!

truthsayer	13 Dec 2002
my advice is don't do it unless you thoroughly research it and try to have a person with some experience in seances to help lead it. it's not something to do for fun or to wet one's curiosity or thrill seeking. one never knows what or who will come up. there are "things" out there that don't go away after the seance is over that can haunt you for a long time and otherwise cause pandemonium in your life if you don't know how to face any possible contigency. don't take my word for it. i know most of us learn not from what others tell us but by the school of hard knocks. but please take into consideration that a seance isn't something you want to do w/o a few back up plans. it's kind of like entering combat w/o knowing how to use weapons. that sounds melodramatic but based on my experience that's what it was like for me. if you want to learn by your own experiences, so be it. but at least take a few weapons you know how to use into the battle zone just in case things don't go as planned.

Diana	14 Dec 2002
I'm all for having fun in life, but without any serious grounding, I would suggest you and your friends go to the movies instead. In French, we call the movie session a "séance", so you wouldn't be far off. truthsayer's comparison to going to combat without weapons does not sound dramatic to me. You may answer "but that's what I'm asking about, which weapons do I need". The question in my mind is: why do you want to do this seance? Is it for trying to heal a past wound; seeking enlightenment; helping the world? If it's just for your self-gratification and curiosity, honestly, you're either going to be disappointed, or worse, get yourself into serious trouble. Their are entitites out there who cannot wait for some innocent creature to latch on to to wreak their havoc.

allibee	14 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Diana .........does not sound dramatic to me. ............ .........Their are entitites out there who cannot wait for some innocent creature to latch on to to wreak their havoc. ditto. The Enchanter, have you read the threads on here about ouija boards, and the effects it has had on those that go into it as "I wonder what will happen....", well you can read what happened, and a lot of it ain't pretty. I used the expression " it is like a blind man leaving his front door open.... anyone can come in...." and I meant it. On other psychic/mediumistic sites I am a member of and a subscriber to these situations are all too often heard of, unfortunately. A bit of fun or curiosity in these fields can, and DO, have huge repercussions in unknowledgable hands. It is only a few short weeks ago you were doing your 'cheap, free and useless' to quote you, psychic readings. Did you learn anything from these? Have you kept practicing them, have you developed your psychic and spiritual awareness and education to the level of a physical or mental medium? It can and does take many years of exploration and work in open and closed circles with a strong group and group leader to become proficient to say the least. And even longer if you develop alone. I'm not trying to tell you what you can or cannot do, you should be guided by your conscience, but please take on board the opinions of those who have been there, seen that, got the Tshirt. allibee

Alissa	14 Dec 2002
"To what end?" is my question... in other words, what do you hope to achieve by holding a seance? Are you looking to communicate with someone you have lost? Are you attempting to invoke a spirit to take possession of someone (usually done in an attempt to get info)? Or is it just for a laugh, like it seems? Before doing any spiritual work like you suggest, I would have to strongly urge against it. There are a whole host of nasties that exist in our universe, and a seance is a step above a oija board for opening them right into your life. If you would feel just fine inviting someone you saw on the street to come and stay in your home and be a possibly permanent fixture in your life -- without knowing anything about them, who they are, what they're like -- then by all means.... go for it. Most of us know that to engage in that behaviour is risky. What you are suggesting sounds risky to me too, and to others. But in the end, it is your own decision. Perhaps nothing will happen at all..... Good luck Enchanter ... if you really want to raise the dead, I would suggest more than a couple of months psychic/spiritual preparation. But that's me.

The Enchanter	17 Dec 2002
I'm not doing this until the spring and I hope to do a lot of research. Maybe it will change my mind. My girlfriend talks to spirits all the time and hopefully the individual powers of each of my friends will help. I have a... Medium, Wiccan, Psychic (Future), and I don't know what the others may have. It will not jut be for fun. We will find a purpose, but we haven't decided on that yet. Thanks for the advice. Keep posting! Peace out!

jlbvt	22 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by The Enchanter My girlfriend talks to spirits all the time and hopefully the individual powers of each of my friends will help. I have a... Medium, Wiccan, Psychic (Future), and I don't know what the others may have. Peace out! Wow, you guys could just get together for coffee and have a crazy time! ;) It sounds like you do not need a seance. If you want to do something together to use all your talents, why not just do a group meditation or try astral projection together?

tarotbear	23 Dec 2002
"Why did the kids pour jam on the cat? Raspberry jam all over the cat! Why did the kids do something like that- When all that we said was "NO!" Why did the kids put beans in their ears? No one can hear with beans in their ears! After a while the reason appears - They did it 'cause we said "NO!" the Fantasticks You are quite free to do whatever you wish- go boldly where no man has gone before or whatever. However, the OCCULT is not Hollywood or TV. One does not 'make it up as they go' when dealing with entities, energies, or creatures from other planes of existance. One does not open doors one does not know how to close.

raeanne	23 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by tarotbear One does not open doors one does not know how to close. This is the best advice anyone can give!

DarkElectric	23 Dec 2002
Hi Enchanter! I don't know where you live, but is there any way you could hook up with the Spiritualist Church? If you are truly interested in seances, they are the people who know. We have a branch of the church near my house. They have regular weekly services, and are a lot more experienced in spirit contact than many people. If you attend a Spiritualist event, you will be able to explore this phenomenon, ask questions of people experienced in the field of mediumship, so you can learn more about it from people who really know, and most important...do it all safely, so you and your friends don't get a lot more than you guys bargained for...Take it from me. You can find the spiritulist church on the net. If you're interested, try a Google search. Good luck.

The Enchanter	27 Dec 2002
Great ideas, but I don't believe here is one of tose curches around here. Thanks. Peace out!

Karenwhe	27 Dec 2002
Quote: Originally posted by Alissa "I would have to strongly urge against it. There are a whole host of nasties that exist in our universe, and a seance is a step above a oija board for opening them right into your life. I watched this thread for a long time before I decided to add my two cents. I agree with all of you but above all with the Oija Board statement - it is just so true that you don't want to know.. and it seems that you really don’t…. I know someone that almost lost their mind in a similar attempt and it took 7 years to repair the damage. 7 Years out of the window - work, career, family, friends, parties etc. The girl lost her mind and was haunted by a very powerful negative energy (demon). She was only 19 when this happened. She was trained for this (from her own will) since 16 years old (she had 3 years of training and knew how to shield/protect herself) but it still happened. I have a saying in my life: "Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time". And I feel that you have no idea what risk you are putting yourself into. But again that is only my personal humble opinion, and I reserve the right to be wrong. You must be prepare for some things to happen in the worst case. If you are ready for the following to occur ("you can do the time" so go ahead and "do the crime"): 1. you must be prepared to be haunted for an indefinite amount of time as only you will be able to fight off whatever came into your life. Others efforts will probably be temporary relief. 2. you must be prepared to live in uncontrollable fear and anxiety day and night (they don't know the difference when you sleep and when you are awake when they haunt you) 3. you must be prepared to lose your friends as your behavior will be altered by these energies. 4. you must be prepared to lose you psychic abilities and all your gifts for an indefinite time (even after you get rid of the bad energy, some can't regain their gifts) 5. you must be prepared to lose you life in general - just bad things will happen all around without your ability to control any of it. There is further worse part: others very close to you will be affected as well through you (in short you will bring bad stuff to the people closest to you) 6. you must be ready to put your soul in “jail” with the “bad guys” for an indefinite amount of time. Am I trying to scare the life out of you???.... actually no. This is just what I personally know that happened to people that didn't know what they were dealing with. If I wanted to scare the life out of you I would tell you in detail some of those experiences they had. Yes, like everyone said - it is bad news if you don't know what you are doing. The REAL BAD NEWS is: Even if you know and are trained in this, you can be dealt a "bad hand", meaning something that is more powerful than you and can break your shield will attack and latch on. But you don't even have a shield as you are not trained; so where does that leave you? Please take no offence if some of my message was a bit “harsh” - it is just the way I feel from what I saw happening to others. I can't put this in any easier way - because there is no easier way. You are free to do whatever you want and you know that well enough - but just take this as a word of sound advise from all of us. That was my 0.1 cents.

Lady Skye	30 Dec 2002
Hi Enchanter, I agree with Truthsayer and the others; a seance is not a game and it is something you must be prepared for and know what you are doing. I wouldn't enter the ring without having some martial arts experience (and I do). I do have enough spiritual and metaphysical experience over the years to know that a seance is something I would not touch. I know a Scottish medium who does that sort of thing but she is experienced and knows what she is doing and even so, I don't think I could sit in on a seance with her because I know how strong energies from beyond can be....AND they can attach themselves to you. Please take our advice and do not tamper with the unknown. There are other energies you can concentrate on that will bring you joy!

violinlily	30 Dec 2002
Enchanter, you had asked me to join this, and I don't think I ever told you the reasons I wouldn't. I'm not saying this just b/c of the posts, I said "no" b4 the thread was even started. 1) I was scared enough w/ the Ouija board in Sept. Especially when your mom said it was haunted. 2) Did you know that back in the 18th and 19th centuries, mediums (if they were fake or not) would almost never allow children (under the age of 20) into a séance. For a good reason: they would get scared, and couldn't handle it (children were also considered innocent and targets for nasty spirits). As Karenwhe said, people have died, been hurt, or have hurt their friends. Do you want that to happen?? I don't. Another question: Why can't you save up money and go to group reading from a medium that has experience (years of??)???? There's much less of a chance of being harmed. Quote: Originally posted by tarotbear One does not open doors one does not know how to close.

allibee	30 Dec 2002
Interesting points VL. A lot of throuble with poltergeist activity centers around young people too. Basically a strong, youthful, burgeoning spirit that has yet to be educated or tamed is like a little kid let loose with a Ferrari. And guess what, everyone (entity) will notice that bright, shiny, fast car and want to have a go in it too.... get my drift? Imagine if you will looking down onto a multi level grid like affair that covers the earth. Imagine also that when we plug into that grid, we send out a beacon of light that attracts like minded beings to us. The time served medium can send out a pure white unwavering beacon, and all the good folk that need to draw near can, and the not so nice folk KNOW from the level of beacon - its colour and density (vibration even) not to even bother. They'd get a pretty rough reception. There would be many many multi level strands of white light covering the grid. Now imagine a somewhat faulty connection to that grid. It's not in control, it's sending out all these different colours, densities and vibrations. This will tend to stand out a mile off on the grid don't you think? All the not so nice folk will finally have somewhere to visit, and boy will they. They don't much care that you may well be displaying 'L' plates. All the better in fact, because when they take over the steering, you won't know.

meatbox666	02 Jan 2003
I agree with everyone. You might end up in an insane asylum or Kill yourself. I feel the worst is the insane asylum. I remember a spirit broke through my shield and I started speaking in tounges. thats about all. It freaked me out. If someone were there in the house and overheared me, I am sure I would be commited. It just so happened no one was in the house and usually everyone is. I felt strongly that was a minor lesson I learned. The tounges sounded like this: Yoddle Howty yoddle hoyt Shenaak Shenakk Shnak Shenak, Yoddle Howty. Man it was weird and it lasted for about five minutes. I had an overwhelming feeling to keep clenching my jaws and open and close them really fast. I did. I just tried to laugh it off and kept reminding myself(I was conscience and totally aware; it was not a full posession) that this is what I get for saying strange words that I do not know the meaning of and that I'll probably do it again in the future. I am divinley protected anyways but sometimes my protectors let me know when I have gone to far and allow me to take a few punches to knock me back into reality.

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