Who or What is God?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 27 Jan 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Major Tom	27 Jan 2003
I've done a search and I don't think this topic has come up before. Since this is a spirituality forum, I think it bears some discussion. I don't want to offend anyone - if you prefer to think in terms of a Goddess or multiple gods/goddesses then go for it. :D I do have my own ideas I intend to share. I don't even begin to think you have to agree with me. We all have our own pathways to the divine. Having said that, I do think the world would be a better place if more people shared my view. :laugh: }) :laugh: And don't we all? :laugh: My view is simple really. God is everything. I am God. You are God. The people you meet at work, at school, on the street, they're all God too. The chair I'm sitting on, the coffee I'm drinking, the mug I'm drinking it from, all God. Everything bright and beautiful, everything dull and nasty - everything is God. If you can experience something with your senses, that's God. If you can experience something extrasensory - that's God too. That ugly smell, that beautiful moment - simply put, everything is God. Now what does this mean to me in practical terms? I do try to live my life in accordance with this very simple belief. By recognising that what comes to me is simply another part of myself. Naturally, because I don't always remember, I often fail, but that doesn't matter. Once I remember who I am and what everything else is, I'm soon back on the right track. :) I can love myself and therefore I can love everyone and everything around me. It's only when I see myself as separate that I do any damage. }) Did you hear the one about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac who stayed up all night wondering if there was a dog? :laugh: There will be those that disagree. They are more than welcome to do so. There's nothing anyone can say to shake me from my belief. I welcome opposing views. :) I'm interested in anything anything anyone wants to say on this topic. After all, I'll be listening to what God has to say. }) *singing* I am the Antichrist. I know what I am and I know what I like and I know how to get it.... (I'm trying to sing the Sex Pistols song - I can hear the tune but I'm not sure of the words after all these years) :laugh:

Osher	27 Jan 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Major Tom My view is simple really. God is everything . I am God. You are God. The people you meet at work, at school, on the street, they're all God too. The chair I'm sitting on, the coffee I'm drinking, the mug I'm drinking it from, all God. Everything bright and beautiful, everything dull and nasty - everything is God. If you can experience something with your senses, that's God. If you can experience something extrasensory - that's God too. That ugly smell, that beautiful moment - simply put, everything is God. Now what does this mean to me in practical terms? I do try to live my life in accordance with this very simple belief. By recognising that what comes to me is simply another part of myself. Naturally, because I don't always remember, I often fail, but that doesn't matter. Once I remember who I am and what everything else is, I'm soon back on the right track. :) I can love myself and therefore I can love everyone and everything around me. It's only when I see myself as separate that I do any damage. }) Not an unusual way of thinking at all, the idea of the universal, indivisible God is the Jewish way, and is around 3500 years old. It does mean though, that as God is one, there is no son.

WhiteDrag0n	27 Jan 2003
As for your request tom here’s my post *Deep Breath* Here’s how I view "god". I don’t see god as entity or being. More like a sentient creation power, and its isn’t "perfect" per say, meaning that it is not in a state of "static" (perfect is a static condition, the universe cant stay the same, anything change is required, it struggles for balances, but never achieves it, Things are always changing)...so I see "god" as a power that is always growing and changing, never staying the same. Also i think the other "gods" out there are just different faces of "God" i think it takes a hands off approach with us...and the "gods" are a medium for talking with it......even the Christian "god" is just another face for the overall whole. While I’m on the subject of perfect I’ll add my other two cents. Ok god is not perfect. If “god” is perfect then god can do anything correct. One word Freewill. Freewill is a factor god can’t control. If god is perfect then god can do anything. However god can not force us to do anything therefore giving lie to the “god is perfect” dogma. Also some say Jesus was the perfect man. I have to disagree. When Jesus was in the desert and was tempted, that shows he was not perfect. In perfection the tempts made on him would have made not difference, he would have been unmoved by anything Satan had to say or tempt him with. However he was troubled while in the desert. Being the perfect man he should not have been troubled at all, but completely serene While he chose not to give in, the wavering of his will, however small shows he wasn't perfect.

Ramses	27 Jan 2003
Hello Major Tom... it is always nice to read your posts... well...I got say that I agree with most of what you wrote...mostly now that I've been reading about the hindu religion...and this view of God which you have just described is pretty much the hindu view of God, too (with only a few more complex and complicated issues...lol).... well...as for me...I don't know if I believe in a God...but, I do believe that all things and all people are all the same thing, came from the same thing and will go back to the same thing when time comes... I still haven't decided what to really believe in , in matters of religion....I don't know... this subject is way too complex for me to explain it here...lol...maybe later... May God (or whatever) be with you all...

cjtarot	27 Jan 2003
Hi, I'll try this one, I worship the Holy Trinity. GOD, The Almighty, is a being of great power and love who was able to create spirits that evlove and grow, that can inhabit an earthly body or live without one. Each spirit has a part of God living within them thus can connect with God's great energy and pure love and each other. The first Spirit to evolve completely was Jesus, sent to earth to teach us how to live in the light. Part of his teachings was to point out God loved us so much he gave each of us a small part of himself, that The ALmighty lives within each of our hearts. When Jesus assended to the other side, he took his place at Gods Right Hand, in my mind he is God's first son and council. The third part of the Holy Trinity is Holy Spirit. This Spirit is a seperate Loving and Caring Spirit that stand at God's Left hand councilling and aiding in the caring of spirits...In my mind this is why we call on the Holy Spirit to help protect or heal. In my mind there is only 1 "ALMIGHTY". We will, at some point in our life, find a connection, a way of worship that will bring us closer to the Great Spirit and to each other (as the almighty lives within all of us). Blessings and I wish you love on your journey CJ

Vita-morte	27 Jan 2003
I've always had a problem accepting one general idea of "god", that's why I really like your way of seeing things WhiteDrag0n. Thank-you for sharing that with us!

jamesriouxctm	27 Jan 2003
Hello all, Here's a short poem from Clifford Bias' "Qabalah, Tarot and the Western Mystery Tradition" that I think sums up my perception of God quite nicely. -- I am not lonesome not apart that men should cry, "Lo, there!" I am the all, immersed in all - behold me everywhere; I am the morning zephyr soft while skipping o'er the lea, I am the music of the brook that flows on to the sea; I am the kisses of the sun, I am the tears of rain, I am the welcome breath of spring that brings new life again; I am the sprouting of the seed, the budding of the flower, I am the beauty men behold unfolding every hour; I am the singing of the birds, the rustling of the leaves, I am the holy force of life in everything that breathes; I am the thrill of harmony men feel but cannot tell, I am the firm unchanging law that worketh all things well; I am the source that all men seek; I am their peace, their pain, I am the courage of the weak that turns all loss to gain; I am the hope that never fades, the ecstacy divine, I am the great eternal love that draws all life to mine; I am the light that never fails, the power that never dies, I am the still, small voice within that bids the Soul arise; I am the fruit of highest thought, I am the iron rod That strengthens and supports the whole, I AM what men call GOD. -- Those who are schooled in Qabalah will want to try placing each couplet on the Tree of Life, starting from the bottom, since you will find (IMO) a nice correspondence.

Liliana	27 Jan 2003
white dragon got my beliefs on what god is pretty well, i believe god is bigger that our vision and we can only handle dealing with seeing a cxertain percentage of the bnig picture of God, admittedly some people can see a bigger percentage than others. I am drawn to the Christian part, tho my Christian part includes some of the more esoteric names (like Sophia) than say a Baptist who only worships the Trinity. Each person sees the section of God most suited to their life purpose, for some its the green man, for some the Father, and for some Allah. But none are more right han another. Another chance for my favorite analogy. Lead 3 blind men to an elephant. Place one at the trunk, oneat the leg, one at the tail, and ask them to describe an elephant. The one at the trunk may describe it as snake like, the one at the leg describe it as tree like, the one at the tail say it feels sort of like a brush. Are any wrong? No, they are just limited to their own area of experience. God is the elephant, and the religions of the World are the blind men :THP

ZazaZ	28 Jan 2003
Quote: Originally posted by jamesriouxctm Here's a short poem from Clifford Bias' "Qabalah, Tarot and the Western Mystery Tradition" that I think sums up my perception of God quite nicely. Thank you for that one, jamesriouxctm. "God is a concept by which we measure our pain." --John Ono Lennon, "God," Plastic Ono Band, 1972 As for me I really no not know, but that is precisely why I continue to search.

patter	28 Jan 2003
Not having been raised with God I don't nee to find a place to put him/her/it. I just am in awe of the 'everything', no extra added god-factor.

Kiama	28 Jan 2003
When I say the word 'God' I mean 'everything': That awesome 'stuff' that is everywhere which keeps everything going... Energy, some call it, essence, others call it. For ease, I call it God, cuz that's the term most are comfortable with,and it's also a short and simple name! I believe basically what Major Tom believes, and in accordance, I live my life that way: Fo me, cuz all that I do has God in it, everythiung I do is sacred, and all actions are magickal actions. Kiama

Moongold	28 Jan 2003
Unnameable, unthinkable God.... Moongold

Moongold	28 Jan 2003
'....and let the questing mind be still......' In the ground of your being I have my home, so do not seek me in the world apart. Within your spirit true communion lies. You are no homeless stranger in a land afar. no alien on a foreign shore, for I am with you. Do but be still and know that I am God. I look upon the world with your dark eyes; I feel the flowing air on your cool cheek. I hear the twittering in the moving trees, for with your senses I perceive. I am with you, I am within you. So do not turn away but come to rest in me. Within you is our meeting place. Be but still, and I will speak in silence to your loving, wayward heart. Paula Fairlie Moongold

Minderwiz	28 Jan 2003
When God appeared to Moses in the burning bush, Moses asked him - who are you? To which God replied 'I am that I am' Which leads to the conclusion that God IS. or perhaps better expressed God is existence, which comes very close to Major Tom's openning statement that everything is God - a view with which I fully agree. Sorry it's not very eloquent but I think it is deeply true.

Webfoot	28 Jan 2003
I think the idea of the Divine is most easily expressed in art. Like poems (thank you, Jamesr), except I would take out all the “I ams!.” It sounds more like old Jupiter’s voice ringing in the heavens than that of the illusive, powerful, and beautiful Jehovah of the Kabbalah who is so near and whose real name no one knows.

Minderwiz	28 Jan 2003
but what is more elusive and poweful and indeed beautiful than 'I am' - In how many countless thousand ways can you marvel at the nature of existence What more do you need to know?

Moongold	28 Jan 2003
Yes, that is so joyful. And how many ways can this be said? Moongold

Kiama	29 Jan 2003
I have just noticed that the most common answer people come up with when asked 'what is God' has not yet been said... 'God is LOVE' It's very poetic, very wonderful, but cannot be proved philosophically, though... What CAN?! :D Kiama

meatbox666	29 Jan 2003
Who is God? Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come.

firemaiden	30 Jan 2003
Okay, Tom, I know you put this thread up just for me, because this is the question I have been grappling with ever since that mean lady (Grandma) gave me a Jewish book to put coins in when I was four years old; there was a picture of a man with a beard, and she told me that was God, (unthinkable because the Jews cannot represent God, so it must have been Moses, and she was just simplifying, or else Grandma was already losing it) which really upset me, my assumptions, didn't she know the person to whom she referred was supposed to be a blonde lady living in New York?. This is absolutely true. I kid you not, and see how logical: blonde = beautiful= love; living in New York = very far away (for a Californian). So then, growing up without a true God concept, I come to adulthood to suppose, it's possible I am missing something. So I research and study, and ask questions, and come always to the same uncomfortable answer: GOD IS EVERYTHING. So you see, as an existentialist, I already knew what Crowley wrote about the letter/number zero, and the equation 0=2, and I know full well that EVERYTHING = NOTHING and NOTHING IS EVERYTHING. Hence, I am returned to my original position.

Fuzzmello	30 Jan 2003
God is an illusion. Fuzz

agnostic	30 Jan 2003
God is what or whom ever you wish. God is created by you, therefore God exists. Proof of this can be found from earliest known times of worship. God has always taken some form or shape in history. Be it tangible or not. Consider the following analogy. Humans are like sunflowers. These plants need to have other sunflower plants in close proximity in order to exist. They are dependant on the larger body of sunflower plants for there existence, as they procreate by rubbing against one another in a field. If they cannot rub against one another, they simply die and no new generation is born. It is the same for humans, we exist by rubbing against one another. The larger body could be called God. Without God we would not exist and the same goes for God. Without humans, Gods would not exist. We keep God alive by depending on a greater body for our existence. In the absence of God we instictively know that we will die. To avert this end, we create a God. The God brings us together (a field of Sunflower). Then we can easily rub against one another. Driven by our desire to live, God becomes natural and self perpetuating. We create God in a form or shape that meets our needs and understanding at the time. When the God we created no longer suites our purpose, the God become extinct. Evidence of this is freely available. Mankind has worshiped all manner of visible (tangible) and invisible (non-tangible) things. When a god becomes extinct, that God may transcend into our legends. Example, the Greek Gods. The time between the birth and death of a God many span a variable amount of time, depending on our society, culture and need to adapt in order to preserve our existance.

firemaiden	30 Jan 2003
Quote: Originally posted by agnostic The larger body could be called God. Without God we would not exist and the same goes for God. This is very very interesting, agnostic. This is the first piece of thinking about what God is, that is new to my own "arrogant and turned in on itself brain" (paraphrasing something from 78DW about King of Swords upside down). I have often thought that what people experience as God, might be similar to my experience of collectivity, like the emotional rush of being part of an audience exploding in bravos for a great performer, or on the other side of the stage, the feeling of being "inside the soul of the universe" that it gave me to perform as one voice among the many in the great chorus prayer from the Russian Opera Khovanschina. I haven't named this "God", I saw it rather as the experience of belonging to the collective voice of humanity, and the fantastic (yet dangerous in the wrong context!!) feeling of submerging/releasing my individual voice into the chorus of the mass. But I have often suspected this might be the same thing. For the Scalawag Tarolog Major Tom: an aside to "all or nothing = nothing" post...Don't worry!! My search has only just begun!!

Mimers	31 Jan 2003
I have been on a quest my whole life to find the answer to this. First I have some feed back on some other views. I agree with all of you and none of you. White Dragon, Perfection is sometimes being imperfect. James I love the poem you wrote and Fuzz, I have to disagree, God is not an illusion, and if you think so you are missing out. I have learned about God in stages. As a little girl we never went to Church and I have no formal religious backround. All of this is of my own experience. By being brought up in a very ethstetically(?did i spell that right?) beautiful environment, I discovered that God is everything, and that I had to get to know this God that created this beautiful world and people. As a teenager I became a born again Christian and learned that God is full of love for us. I actually have felt His love so strongly, I tell you you could stick a fork in it. Then my early adult years, well lets just stick the work TOUGH in here and leave it at that. This is what led me to realize that God is not all good. There is evil in the world. There are things that work against us and I had to accept the fact that God allowed it. How could my beautiful, loving God allow this to happen to me?! Because perfect means sometimes is not being perfect. You cant learn without the experiences both good and bad. Bad things happen to good people because "good" people want to learn and grow. Well God stuck me in his accelerated course. This is how we appreciate what is good. In a nutshell, God is everything and everything is God. God is love. God is a father, a mother, the Holy Spirit (our intuition) and God is people like Jesus, you and me. God is something we can experience. I also want to add that I don't believe in any Devil. I give credit to God for everything, even the evil in this world. I respect all views, but I will never pretend to believe anything that my heart tells me is not true. This is why I am no longer a born again Christian. However, I will be the first to admit that I am still discovering. My thirst is still strong. My quest is not over. Love to all Mimers

Webfoot	31 Jan 2003
Thank you, Mimers, for sharing some of your quest. I especially like the phrase “God is something we can experience.” That is very evocative for me--the idea of God or the Divine or Conscious Energy or whatever name we choose sharing it’s being with all creation as something we can experience.

firemaiden	31 Jan 2003
I liked that too, Mimers. It is precisely the experience I am on the quest to find.

Karenwhe	31 Jan 2003
What is God, is there a God? I tend to have a different views on the issue. I think that there are universal, cosmic laws that people don’t understand and they have been around for longer than humans have walked on earth. However, human have a need to classify (just like anything else) these forces that they don’t understand, so that they can comprehend (not necessarily understand – as they still don’t). With this need to comprehend they categorized everything that they don’t understand into a God/s or whatever. Therefore I believe that God is truly created by man. There was no God before man there where only universal forces and energies and there was no name for them. However, as humanity grows the need to change God or his definition changes (as humans think they understand more or less at the time). This comes to show in the Greek Gods that became extinct. Once humans understood that there are natural laws that create for example storms in the seas there was no more need for the God of the Seas, and that goes for every other God that has become extinct for some reason or the other. So, from my opinion God is a creation of the human mind. However, there are higher forces that make this earth and everything in the universe work in a certain way, but I don’t feel the need to categorize everything into God, just because I don’t understand how it works. However in history of human kind as we know that humans have such a need to categorize and comprehend everything, others took advantage to “herd the sheep” and then Gods, religions and worships started becoming more political and a controlling tool for the leaders. This further changed the Gods and the rules thereafter and also was crated by man, but with a much more hidden agenda. I personally do NOT believe in any religion or any occult or anything of that sort. This is because I know, that the moment I do, I give my power and free will to some self centered organization that will also tell me how things work. Not to mention that the bloodiest wars on earth were created under some religious belief or another and of course in the name of God (e.g crusaders, jihad, and the list goes on forever). And this just doesn’t work for me. So, in my opinion God is the categorization of everything humans don’t understand and have the need to comprehend which made this a powerful tool for leaders to control people and groups to their own interests.

Yodes	03 Feb 2003
In my opinion God is the collective conciouss of humanity, in life and death, that we break away initially to take a seperate spiritual form and then again to take our physical form. When we die we return to the conciouss entity, but we are always connected to it, it is for this reason we are able to connect to those who have passed, and those who are alive. Just a thought.

Woof	04 Feb 2003
(These are my current beliefs.) I believe in many bits and pieces of what has been said by others. There is a beautiful order, a "music", if you will, that flows through all reality. It has no consciousness, no intelligence. I cannot call that god in the definition that I am accustomed to. However, it is the cause of a connectedness among all things. I believe we have an existential responsibility toward all life. I believe in immortality of the soul (reincarnation of some sort) although I'm not sure how to define soul. Anyway, god is irrelevant. For me to live correctly is paramount. I would call my morality closest to pagan with a good deal of old fashioned honor concept thrown in, and the concept of loving kindness, and compassion. I'm working on those last two. "God" as a concept makes no sense to me. By the way I grew up RC and spent time as a Unitarian Universalist (protestant-lite) and as an in-your-face atheist. I think my years in catholic school and the current increase in the strident fanaticism of the growing religious right in the US has caused me to cringe whenever the word "god" is used. Woof

cheekyminx	16 Feb 2003
Yodes; In my opinion God is the collective conciouss of humanity, in life and death, that we break away initially to take a seperate spiritual form and then again to take our physical form. When we die we return to the conciouss entity, but we are always connected to it, it is for this reason we are able to connect to those who have passed, and those who are alive. Just a thought. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I must agree with you Yodes. You couldn't of have said it any better!! We are all here to learn valuable lessons on earth, once completed our souls pass over. We evalute our life & decide when we want to come back. We are all born with a blue print, meaning we have chosen our path in life.......We always come back to what is familar, hence our family & friends. We have all shared numerous lives with the people that are in our lives. The older the soul is the harder our next life shall be. Yes. Sometimes we do remember things from a past life, sometimes we wonder why we do things or act in a manner.....our sub conscious is remembering something from a past life. For e.g In a previous life in Spain i was burnt at the stake for being a white witch.....that explains why I fear reading tarot cards, even though I have always been blessed with the gift. I must realise I am in a different time & everything will be ok! Hmm, sounds interesting....but did it really happen? I'll know once I pass over.......

Diana	16 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Minderwiz When God appeared to Moses in the burning bush, Moses asked him - who are you? To which God replied 'I am that I am' Which leads to the conclusion that God IS. or perhaps better expressed God is existence (......) Minderwiz stole the words from my mouth - but that's okay - they're not copyrighted - lol ! (just kidding, Minderwiz!) Last night was one of those nights when you put your kid (12 years) to bed, give him a good-night kiss, and just before you close the door, he says "Maman! I know all about angels, archangels and God. But I want to know: Who made God?" This was at about 11pm. At midnight, we were still at it. Everytime I came up with a wonderful explanation, about why something just IS (I found some lovely parallels in mathematics, for instance), he came up with some other argument. He reminded me of Kiama :D. ((((Kiama))))) For instance, I took the parallel of 2 and 2 equals 4. And tried to explain that even before man had an inkling of mathematics, the Principle behind this still WAS. It WAS because it IS. It didn't have to be invented by anyone or anything. But he won't buy it. He wants to know who made the Principle. In the end I told him to ask God himself and he agreed that that was probably the best solution. (And probably went to sleep thinking that his mother has had nearly 44 years to solve this problem, so she must be dumber than he thought! :laugh: ) But perhaps some Aeclecticians may have some light to shed on this question?

firemaiden	16 Feb 2003
Hahahahahahah. Your 12 year old knows how to challenge you, Diana. Perhaps you will have to say -- "I don't know..perhaps we will have to figure it out together..." or "God made himself" or "God's parents made him...", and then you will have to remember the Greek mythology on the origin of the Gods. (Chaos?) Or "nobody knows, but here are some of the ideas people have had through the centuries..." or "that's a very difficult question, I've been trying to figure it out for 44 years, when you figure it out, please let me know" hahahahah! I love this Diana! You are adorable. Love Firemaiden ps: Diana: I am stealing this quote from Origin of the Gods website which stole it from Hesiod: [hesiod, theogony 116]

Major Tom	16 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Diana "Who made God?" I AM THAT I AM pretty much sums it up. :) You could say: God is everything that is, ever was and ever shall be. God made God.

Diana	16 Feb 2003
firemaiden: your quote from Hesiod should keep him quiet for a few days! I'll try it - lol - . Major Tom: I told him that God made God but that didn't work. Oh well, gives him something to think about. Makes a change from his computer games.

Britney	16 Feb 2003
Major Tom, I have recently been looking into paganism and wicca- your belief seems to be similar in many ways. are you pagan/wicca? where did these beliefs stem from in you? Take care! ~BRIT~

Major Tom	17 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Britney Major Tom, are you pagan/wicca? where did these beliefs stem from in you? Take care! ~BRIT~ I am not pagan/wicca - but I have a lot of time for those who are. ;) My beliefs stem from a life-long study of tarot. })

Major Tom	17 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Diana Major Tom: I told him that God made God but that didn't work. :eek: Eek! :eek: How does that not work? Chaos is God too. :laugh:

firemaiden	17 Feb 2003
Firemaiden's brain is in a mischievous mode again...we are saying God is Existence... For me there is ONLY existence...I thought non-aetheists were those who believed in the existence of non-existence.... Diana's 12 year old's question contains another, very natural question, which arrises when we first become aware of existing, and then of the possiblity of not existing, which is And A solid black wall? Or more nothing. Matter? Anti Matter? And then Diana will have to answer with theories of the Big Bang, the marriage of matter and anti-matter, the ensuing chaos, and continuing expansion of the universe, the infinitessimally slow establishment of the order of the universe and life on earth. Then she will have to answer: "and will be back to square one! HAHAHAHAHAHAH

Aoife	17 Feb 2003
Oh the joys of parenthood! It must be said that my 12 year old son has been more concerned with questions like 'why is playstation not a subject studied at school'? When more esoteric questions have arisen I confess that my usual response has been to try to change the subject and my fallback reply is 'go and ask your father/ teacher/ friend/ the dog' - with the nett result that the dog has become a favoured oracle in our household. Diana, you sound like a wonderful mother of a remarkable boy! Eve

Diana	17 Feb 2003
firemaiden: stop teasing me and tell me the answers! (Because these questions have been broached already in the past, and I have got tied up in knots. Can't lose face all the time in front of my kid - it's embarrassing after a while - lol - ). Aoife: Playstations are important too. Major Tom believes that Playstations are God. So indeed, why are they not studied at school? Excellent question.

firemaiden	17 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Diana firemaiden: stop teasing me and tell me the answers! (Because these questions have been broached already in the past, and I have got tied up in knots. Can't lose face all the time in front of my kid - it's embarrassing after a while - lol - ). Beloved Diana, You are blessed with a kid who thinks!! You are blessed with such a wonderful relationship with him that he wants to think things through with you. But I have very bad news : it is only going to get worse. I am afraid that your face is not going to hold up forever. One day, it may even be you who will turn to him for the answers. I think of my beloved mother, and how at some point, very early with me, she just had to admit defeat ...I respected her all the more. She is my dearest friend in all the world, and would still be even if she weren't my mother. Be happy your face has held up for 12 years! A 12 year-old is becoming an individual, now begins the power struggle that the parents eventually must lose... My advice to you, (as I am the eternal child of the world's best mother), is to say, "my darling, you have such a brilliant and inquisitive mind, that now you are trying to understand questions that the world's greatest philosophers, theologians and astro-physicists cannot answer. Perhaps you would like to study astrophysics, and one day, you may find the answer and become a billionaire!"

firemaiden	17 Feb 2003
Diana: tell him he is trying to divide by zero, so to speak, by asking about the origin of the origin, what was before point zero, which can't be done without resorting to imaginary numbers, and that it will crash the computer everytime. Tell him his brain is a big computer and he is going to crash it by dividing by zero!!! And you are worried he may have already crashed yours! <<<<<>>>>>

Major Tom	18 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Diana Major Tom believes that Playstations are God. So indeed, why are they not studied at school? Excellent question. :laugh: There are schools where Playstations are studied. How to build them - How to write games for them. Playstation is an advanced subject. }) :laugh: Of course Paystations are God! :laugh: Imagine for a moment all the energy focused on Playstations! :laugh:

firemaiden	18 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Diana Of course Playstations are God! Imagine for a moment all the energy focused on Playstations! Umm..Firemaiden blushes, dare I ask? Um...excuse me you three, but ...um...do you mind telling me what is a playstation?? (something to do with computer games, right?) Are you trying to tell me that Major Tom has been hiding from me something so important in my quest for God????

Aerin	18 Feb 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Major Tom :laugh: There are schools where Playstations are studied. How to build them - How to write games for them. Playstation is an advanced subject. }) :laugh: Of course Paystations are God! :laugh: Imagine for a moment all the energy focused on Playstations! :laugh: And so a dance mat represents..... what??? Aerin ps firemaiden, yes: a Playstation is a games console

Major Tom	18 Feb 2003
Aerin and Firemaiden - I quote myself for your benefit. Quote: Originally posted by Major Tom My view is simple really. God is everything . I am God. You are God. The people you meet at work, at school, on the street, they're all God too. The chair I'm sitting on, the coffee I'm drinking, the mug I'm drinking it from, all God. Everything bright and beautiful, everything dull and nasty - everything is God. If you can experience something with your senses, that's God. If you can experience something extrasensory - that's God too. That ugly smell, that beautiful moment - simply put, everything is God. Aerin - Your dance mat is God. ;) Firemaiden - Nothing is hidden. })

coldsuns	18 Mar 2003
Isnt Jesus is the God?? God is Mother Earth? God is every object(atom) on Earth? God is someone create the world. God is a mystery thing yet everyone know what it is. Different people has different God.

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